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No Smiles, Their are many Tribes who have a Reservation. The Cherokee hold the deed to their land here ( The Qualla Boundary ) which is recognized by the US gov and NC as a Nation! (semi-autonomous) It is there original land as recognized through their beliefs as the birthplace of the Cherokee. There is a legal difference. Like I said start your studies with them. They are the first tribe to ever see a European. Desoto 1540! Did you know that some other Indian tribes don't recognize the Cherokee as a real Indian? Kat Really?! I have Cherokee in me and my child has more then I do. |
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Wow...I duck off for an hour phone call from China and this thread is about indian reservations and the Lousiana purchase now?....
cool. I can dig fluid dynamics. |
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Wow...I duck off for an hour phone call from China and this thread is about indian reservations and the Lousiana purchase now?.... cool. I can dig fluid dynamics.  That's mingle or ya. Kat |
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Edited by
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My great garndparents on my moms side were Cherokee. Maybe that is why I am so not for war. I have done research on them. It was a sad read. I used to be ashamed to be the blood of the Cherokee or any Indian nation. The stigma was shame. I no longer feel that. I am proud to let it be known that I am who I am. Fanta...have you Indian in you? Kat Be very very proud to be a native indian!!! Be very sad how the Europeans and how this country was established taking away the freedoms, lives, and dying culture away from you. I visit some natives here in florida where only 500 speak the language. Most of the elders, who I hang out with, share their history with me on how many were forced to become christians rather they liked it or not. Their families had no choice in the matter or die or be imprisoned. They still have a sign just off their land that reads "Beware! Savage Land!" These are Seminole natives with great hearts, immense wisdom, and much spiritual strength in the history. History that I think isn't taught in the normal class room. That being said, I think that alot of history that is being taught in school is distorted in many ways. Oh I am. After I grew up and got a brain, I figured out who the bullies were in my heritage. It wasn't the Indians or the Germans. I stand up all the time for what my heritage went through for the likes of the evils of European white men. The immigrants came to America, the land of the free...at least it was. The Indians mastered the art of love and respect for all life including the land. They were very religious with wise ways and understanding the value of living. Kat |
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No!!! Tell me it aint soooo! We were part of Texas!?? Well, I guess if we were to go to secession...I would have to buy me a gun or two or three. Cuz..I aint goin without a fight. That is why there was a civil war folks. Dividing and conquering. Bloodshed bloodshed all around. You think Repubs and Demos are bad...just you wait til states divide and come to blows. Kat ps, would there be a wall to keep new citizens out? Yep! You and Dragoness would have a say, if Texas could legally secede. Which they cant! Me?????  I think I have gone off on one of my tangents and they don't wanna hear it from me any more. I was percieved as bitter and empirical by one and hitting below the belt.  I was just sharing information as far as I saw it but that is the way it goes sometimes. I never mean to offend. I always figure we are adults and we should be able to debate things.  Anyway Fanta, I want to know about this county named after your family in Texas. Since this is about Texas.  You didnt offend me Dragoness. You know I luv ya. At least I can disagree with you and not get reported. I never report people. I have only reported two people in all my time on here and they were openly being racist by name calling. I have never reported those who disagree with me. I wasn't referring to you. I was feeling bad because I offended someone and did not mean to. You are one of my great joys on this site        Im the same way. I dont report anyone either.
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No Smiles, Their are many Tribes who have a Reservation. The Cherokee hold the deed to their land here ( The Qualla Boundary ) which is recognized by the US gov and NC as a Nation! (semi-autonomous) It is there original land as recognized through their beliefs as the birthplace of the Cherokee. There is a legal difference. Like I said start your studies with them. They are the first tribe to ever see a European. Desoto 1540! Did you know that some other Indian tribes don't recognize the Cherokee as a real Indian? Kat No, no, no, no! The Eastern band of the Cherokee doesnt recognize the Cherokee in Oklahoma. They say they are too mixed. They have a name for them but it slips my mind right now! The tribe here is very traditional! The Cherokee here are the real deal! |
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I think it might be more practical to annex my three acres and declare my property an independant nation...the down side is..I would only have two citizens to rule over (my dogs)..and all you guys will need a passport and a travel visa to pop in and visit...but, hey at least prositution and pot is legal here and you will pay zero taxes...(this could work!)
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My great garndparents on my moms side were Cherokee. Maybe that is why I am so not for war. I have done research on them. It was a sad read. I used to be ashamed to be the blood of the Cherokee or any Indian nation. The stigma was shame. I no longer feel that. I am proud to let it be known that I am who I am. Fanta...have you Indian in you? Kat My Mother was half Shawnee! She was from West Virginia. Im a Mutt! LOL |
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I think it might be more practical to annex my three acres and declare my property an independant nation...the down side is..I would only have two citizens to rule over (my dogs)..and all you guys will need a passport and a travel visa to pop in and visit...but, hey at least prositution and pot is legal here and you will pay zero taxes...(this could work!) I think he is discovering the American dream....lol |
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No!!! Tell me it aint soooo! We were part of Texas!?? Well, I guess if we were to go to secession...I would have to buy me a gun or two or three. Cuz..I aint goin without a fight. That is why there was a civil war folks. Dividing and conquering. Bloodshed bloodshed all around. You think Repubs and Demos are bad...just you wait til states divide and come to blows. Kat ps, would there be a wall to keep new citizens out? Yep! You and Dragoness would have a say, if Texas could legally secede. Which they cant! Me????? I think I have gone off on one of my tangents and they don't wanna hear it from me any more. I was percieved as bitter and empirical by one and hitting below the belt. I was just sharing information as far as I saw it but that is the way it goes sometimes. I never mean to offend. I always figure we are adults and we should be able to debate things. Anyway Fanta, I want to know about this county named after your family in Texas. Since this is about Texas. ******! Of Course! Do you know my last name? The town is Edom! It still very small since the railroads missed it, and it has been moved about three times. Most of Colorado was a part of the Republic of Texas Draggoness. LMAO Say it ain't so  just kidding. I knew that. Weren't some parts of it the Louisiana purchase or something? No! Edom is in East Texas! |
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No Smiles, Their are many Tribes who have a Reservation. The Cherokee hold the deed to their land here ( The Qualla Boundary ) which is recognized by the US gov and NC as a Nation! (semi-autonomous) It is there original land as recognized through their beliefs as the birthplace of the Cherokee. There is a legal difference. Like I said start your studies with them. They are the first tribe to ever see a European. Desoto 1540! Actually I just watched the other day on natives and it was horrible to tell you the truth of how Europeans treated them after they helped them survive the winter seasons. It was in the early 1600's and it was up in Massachussets when this happened. The chief I can't remember, but his son was known as Chief Phillip. I know sounds weird, but they called him that. He tried to reclaim his land through force by gathering tribes. The English of course converted many indians at the time and had them fight for them the wars against this chief. After they caught this chief phillip they stuck his head on a pole to warn all others natives to leave the europeans alone. The indians (mohawks) at the time then were also let go and those who converted to christianity where set on a island in the winter to die. Concerning the Cherokee? Does this mean if they hold this deed they are Cherokee and not American Citizens. They are their own nationality without having to obey American laws? |
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No Smiles, Their are many Tribes who have a Reservation. The Cherokee hold the deed to their land here ( The Qualla Boundary ) which is recognized by the US gov and NC as a Nation! (semi-autonomous) It is there original land as recognized through their beliefs as the birthplace of the Cherokee. There is a legal difference. Like I said start your studies with them. They are the first tribe to ever see a European. Desoto 1540! Did you know that some other Indian tribes don't recognize the Cherokee as a real Indian? Kat No, no, no, no! The Eastern band of the Cherokee doesnt recognize the Cherokee in Oklahoma. They say they are too mixed. They have a name for them but it slips my mind right now! The tribe here is very traditional! The Cherokee here are the real deal! My Cherokee blood isn't from Oklahoma. The Cherokees came here. I was talking one day to people and this one guy that worked there with me was full blood Indian of some kind..I cannot remember and he laughed at me and made me feel bad when he said the Cherokee is a real Indian. They are a pretty people...not true Indian. It took me back to my childhood when I used to hear how bad Indians were and that Germans were all killers and should all be killed. I was both those things. Kat |
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I think it might be more practical to annex my three acres and declare my property an independant nation...the down side is..I would only have two citizens to rule over (my dogs)..and all you guys will need a passport and a travel visa to pop in and visit...but, hey at least prositution and pot is legal here and you will pay zero taxes...(this could work!) I think he is discovering the American dream....lol Certainly seems like it would reduce the "Spite" factor...now I gotta scrounge up a crown for my kinglyness...I already have a gleaming white porcelin throne to sit on while recieving foriegn dignitaries. |
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My great garndparents on my moms side were Cherokee. Maybe that is why I am so not for war. I have done research on them. It was a sad read. I used to be ashamed to be the blood of the Cherokee or any Indian nation. The stigma was shame. I no longer feel that. I am proud to let it be known that I am who I am. Fanta...have you Indian in you? Kat Be very very proud to be a native indian!!! Be very sad how the Europeans and how this country was established taking away the freedoms, lives, and dying culture away from you. I visit some natives here in florida where only 500 speak the language. Most of the elders, who I hang out with, share their history with me on how many were forced to become christians rather they liked it or not. Their families had no choice in the matter or die or be imprisoned. They still have a sign just off their land that reads "Beware! Savage Land!" These are Seminole natives with great hearts, immense wisdom, and much spiritual strength in the history. History that I think isn't taught in the normal class room. That being said, I think that alot of history that is being taught in school is distorted in many ways. The Seminole were part of the Cherokee Nation I believe! |
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I think it might be more practical to annex my three acres and declare my property an independant nation...the down side is..I would only have two citizens to rule over (my dogs)..and all you guys will need a passport and a travel visa to pop in and visit...but, hey at least prositution and pot is legal here and you will pay zero taxes...(this could work!) I think he is discovering the American dream....lol Certainly seems like it would reduce the "Spite" factor...now I gotta scrounge up a crown for my kinglyness...I already have a gleaming white porcelin throne to sit on while recieving foriegn dignitaries. lol, well should I be traveling in your area, I will forgo the visa and just ask you to come out in the outer world and have coffee okay? |
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Well as far as I understand there are thousands of native tribes each with different names. So this would be a lifetime endeavor indeed, but I do fascinate myself with it, as of the wild west. lol
I mean my family never migrated to the states. We pretty much sticked it out in Europe. I would be the first to live here because of my wife's family. I know the Germans didn't really claim any land here, but I know many migrated here in the 17 and 1800's seeking a new beginning. There are alot of German ancestories here, if not as big as the Irish and perhaps the Italian's at the time. I am still conflicted on how this country was established. I mean just how a whole culture is practically wiped out. I mean the younger generation primarily speak English and are American. They don't speak their original tongue anymore, primarily are Christians, and go to schools learning American history like you guys did. They just seemed to accept it that they are a conquered people and have no choice in the matter. It is sad actually how it happened and I see it in the faces of the elders more then the young when I go to the Miccussokee Tribe of Indians on weekends. |
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Actually I just watched the other day on natives and it was horrible to tell you the truth of how Europeans treated them after they helped them survive the winter seasons. It was in the early 1600's and it was up in Massachussets when this happened. The chief I can't remember, but his son was known as Chief Phillip. I know sounds weird, but they called him that. He tried to reclaim his land through force by gathering tribes. The English of course converted many indians at the time and had them fight for them the wars against this chief. After they caught this chief phillip they stuck his head on a pole to warn all others natives to leave the europeans alone. The indians (mohawks) at the time then were also let go and those who converted to christianity where set on a island in the winter to die. Concerning the Cherokee? Does this mean if they hold this deed they are Cherokee and not American Citizens. They are their own nationality without having to obey American laws? No! They have dual citizenship! They are a Nation within a Nation! |
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I think it might be more practical to annex my three acres and declare my property an independant nation...the down side is..I would only have two citizens to rule over (my dogs)..and all you guys will need a passport and a travel visa to pop in and visit...but, hey at least prositution and pot is legal here and you will pay zero taxes...(this could work!) I think he is discovering the American dream....lol Certainly seems like it would reduce the "Spite" factor...now I gotta scrounge up a crown for my kinglyness...I already have a gleaming white porcelin throne to sit on while recieving foriegn dignitaries. lol, well should I be traveling in your area, I will forgo the visa and just ask you to come out in the outer world and have coffee okay? As my only diplomat I would agree on the condition that if I honor your flag and anthem upon entering your country..you would show the same respect for my empire...(Don't sweat it...all you would have to do is salute my flag...a worn out g-string tacked to a cedar fence post and sing along with my nation's anthem "Rock Lobster") after that..the coffee is on me. |
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My great garndparents on my moms side were Cherokee. Maybe that is why I am so not for war. I have done research on them. It was a sad read. I used to be ashamed to be the blood of the Cherokee or any Indian nation. The stigma was shame. I no longer feel that. I am proud to let it be known that I am who I am. Fanta...have you Indian in you? Kat Be very very proud to be a native indian!!! Be very sad how the Europeans and how this country was established taking away the freedoms, lives, and dying culture away from you. I visit some natives here in florida where only 500 speak the language. Most of the elders, who I hang out with, share their history with me on how many were forced to become christians rather they liked it or not. Their families had no choice in the matter or die or be imprisoned. They still have a sign just off their land that reads "Beware! Savage Land!" These are Seminole natives with great hearts, immense wisdom, and much spiritual strength in the history. History that I think isn't taught in the normal class room. That being said, I think that alot of history that is being taught in school is distorted in many ways. The Seminole were part of the Cherokee Nation I believe! I was trying to remember where my family is from. It is either Alabama or Tennesse or Mississipi. My grandmother is on the rolls I think but we have never really looked for the info or the numbers. The Chikasaw, Cherokee, Seminole and Choctaw Nations were all removed at the same time to other lands. Is that what you were getting at Fanta? Kat Kat |
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Edited by
scttrbrain
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We have many reservations here in Oklahoma. The law has to first go through the counsil law to gain entry to serve warrants or bust someone in their home. Reservation law acts within the law, but must be envolved with any act of legal order.
So, if any law enforcement is to enter on reservation land they must have permission and be accompanied by tribal officers. Kat |
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