Me?????

I think I have gone off on one of my tangents and they don't wanna hear it from me any more. I was percieved as bitter and empirical by one and hitting below the belt.

I was just sharing information as far as I saw it but that is the way it goes sometimes. I never mean to offend. I always figure we are adults and we should be able to debate things.

Anyway Fanta, I want to know about this county named after your family in Texas. Since this is about Texas.

Anarchy

The violent and war-like nature of the tribes kept them divided and they were thus unable to muster a significant resistance to the Europeans. Their were a couple efforts but the Cherokees allied with the English while a smaller contingent allied with the French.
By the time the French Indian war was over there was no hope.
The Cherokee Nation were the only real chance they had and they sided with the colonists during the Revolution only to be rounded up and forced west by Andrew Jackson. The Cherokees still hate him. He made promises to them and then reneged on them!

The Cherokee Nation encompassed many tribes.
Hundreds, but they were ruled by fear of violence, war, and fear of slavery.
They are the only Tribe left in America with their own semi-autonomous country!
They are a country within a country!
Right here in NC!

If you want to study Indian history you should start with them!

You didnt offend me Dragoness. You know I luv ya. At least I can disagree with you and not get reported.

******!
Of Course!
Do you know my last name?

The town is Edom!
It still very small since the railroads missed it, and it has been moved about three times.


Most of Colorado was a part of the Republic of Texas Draggoness. LMAO

not sure who got reported. but dragoness...i can debate and you disagree without the blood baths we used to have

I never report people. I have only reported two people in all my time on here and they were openly being racist by name calling. I have never reported those who disagree with me.

I wasn't referring to you. I was feeling bad because I offended someone and did not mean to.

You are one of my great joys on this site

I am sorry but there are many tribes that haven't conceded to the US government and have their own land still today. Look into the Miccussokee Tribes of Indians who fought off the US and never lost their battle against them. I visit often my friends who live on this land.

The Native Indians helped the Europeans survive the Winter Seasons. I am sure you will agree with this.

When the Europeans became less and less dependent on Natives and more skeptical of their spiritual practices and lifestyles they went and murdered many tribes, which included children and women.

They gave native indians the right to live only if they would convert to Christianity. If so they would be saved. This means they had to accept European lifestyle.

Now you may have heard of an Indian chief they called Phillip. It was probably a nickname, if anything, but this chief didn't like what was happening to his people and actually gathered other tribes to form a army of his own secretly after he was forced to sign a treaty with the English and give up his weapons.

As his people were being ousted out of his land, he fought back to try to reclaim the land his ancestory lived on for some many thousands of years.

This is where the Mohawks fought against him, because many of the natives where told if they fight aside the English they will be saved by God. So believing in Christianity as they had their long hair chopped off, and learning from the bible, they followed directions and fought against the tribes that wanted their land back.

So yes the Europeans used converted natives to fight against their own people.

Now before the Europeans settled the lands there may have been native indians that were more warlike like the cherokee or the apache, but primarily most of the natives respected their territories.



They could have done otherwise. You don't agree with this because you believe that they were too many tribes fighting each other to make this possible.

Say it ain't so just kidding. I knew that. Weren't some parts of it the Louisiana purchase or something?

Very true. We always had some major misunderstanding going on, didn't we? I am glad that is not happening anymore.

lol truces work huh? it's all about debate

There were many tribes that lived in peace and even amongst other tribes. When the Europeans came and distorted their views on how to live, how to act, what to believe in then the confusion really began. So to the point that Natives who converted to christianity or any of its denominations fought alongside with European counterparts, if it be the French, Spaniards, or English.


Native Peoples and the slaughtering of Europeans
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• Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children.

• In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down.

• On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War." The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England.

• When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages.

The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children.

• So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance".

• Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..."

• Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents".

• Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by Spanish methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near.

• The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'."

• Other tribes were to follow the same path.

• Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!"

• Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'."

• In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children.

• In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'."

• To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed.

These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.

• All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun.

• A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.

• In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.


I reedited this thread and took out a big chunk of how indians were slaughtered in central and south america. **

My great garndparents on my moms side were Cherokee. Maybe that is why I am so not for war.

I have done research on them. It was a sad read. I used to be ashamed to be the blood of the Cherokee or any Indian nation. The stigma was shame. I no longer feel that. I am proud to let it be known that I am who I am.

Fanta...have you Indian in you?

Kat

So is not having the nuts to stand up for your beliefs.

it's all a bluff of the cards, that each state hold in the hand, wielding it's potential own power, and just the threat alone, help keep the giant power from swallowing all the little power's, so it help keep all the balance, and all more free of too much oppression that can easily become as reality???

than god for freedom to speak out and keep the balance for all to be free.

No Smiles,
Their are many Tribes who have a Reservation.
The Cherokee hold the deed to their land here ( The Qualla Boundary ) which is recognized by the US gov and NC as a Nation! (semi-autonomous)
It is there original land as recognized through their beliefs as the birthplace of the Cherokee.
There is a legal difference.
Like I said start your studies with them.
They are the first tribe to ever see a European.
Desoto 1540!

actually the only reason I checked out the thread to see Davidben1 to post some cool questions!

Did you know that some other Indian tribes don't recognize the Cherokee as a real Indian?

Kat

Yes, Davidben 1 writes great wisdoms.
It is good to red him.

Be very very proud to be a native indian!!!

Be very sad how the Europeans and how this country was established taking away the freedoms, lives, and dying culture away from you.

I visit some natives here in florida where only 500 speak the language. Most of the elders, who I hang out with, share their history with me on how many were forced to become christians rather they liked it or not. Their families had no choice in the matter or die or be imprisoned.

They still have a sign just off their land that reads "Beware! Savage Land!"

These are Seminole natives with great hearts, immense wisdom, and much spiritual strength in the history.

History that I think isn't taught in the normal class room. That being said, I think that alot of history that is being taught in school is distorted in many ways.