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Topic: Atheism Weak or Strong
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Wed 01/21/09 09:10 AM

Maybe they dont want our excess human population? huh


That is a possiblity if there is other life on the planet, but again maybe there are some planets that don't have intelligent life on it to allow us to transport us there. Of course this is thinking way ahead of our times at the moment.

We still have to figure out how to travel through space at a faster speed.

or

maybe

create a space station as big as the death star from star wars that can travel with huge thrusters in a direction searching for planets.

It is obvious I have been watching to much science fiction lately. laugh

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Wed 01/21/09 09:13 AM


Maybe they dont want our excess human population? huh


That is a possiblity if there is other life on the planet, but again maybe there are some planets that don't have intelligent life on it to allow us to transport us there. Of course this is thinking way ahead of our times at the moment.

We still have to figure out how to travel through space at a faster speed.

or

maybe

create a space station as big as the death star from star wars that can travel with huge thrusters in a direction searching for planets.

It is obvious I have been watching to much science fiction lately. laugh


What gives us the right to essentially dump our excess people on another planet because we have destroyed this one? It doesn’t matter if anyone is there to object or not.

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Wed 01/21/09 09:21 AM
Who said dump? Those who go because they go willingly to see something new unless such a World New Order actually existed like some prophesize then they would be dumped. I cannot predict future as this is pure imagination. If it happens then it would be interesting. A hundred years ago people believed walking on the moon is nothing more then a wild imagination and unattainable.

I am sure if such inventions happen and the world poverty rises, corruption, etc. (although there are hopes that the population can decline when education gets more efficient around the world), but if it doesn't that perhaps we will find other solar systems with planets that are liveable for us.

What is wrong with exploring and discovering more then just our universe?

If such a hyperdrive would exist and the travel wouldn't take all of your lifetime to see a different planet, I wouldn't mind to participate in the adventure.

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Wed 01/21/09 09:22 AM


:smile: Can a christian own slaves or endorse any form of slavery?:smile:


Yes. The "just and righteous" Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he (Canaan) be unto his brethren." This is a typical case of biblical justice, and is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.


And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. ... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Gen.9:20-25

:smile: Noah wasn't a Christian.:smile:

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Wed 01/21/09 09:25 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 01/21/09 09:26 AM
Who said dump? Those who go because they go willingly to see something new unless such a World New Order actually existed like some prophesize then they would be dumped. I cannot predict future as this is pure imagination. If it happens then it would be interesting. A hundred years ago people believed walking on the moon is nothing more then a wild imagination and unattainable.


That was not made clear in your initial post. If we do indeed continue down the road we have been and overpopulating and exacerbating the current ecological crisis, then yes we will find ourselves in a position to dump our human population somewhere else. This is absolutely disgusting in my opinion but unless we (the human race) get a handle on this problem, I can see it happening.


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Wed 01/21/09 09:27 AM



:smile: Can a christian own slaves or endorse any form of slavery?:smile:


Yes. The "just and righteous" Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he (Canaan) be unto his brethren." This is a typical case of biblical justice, and is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.


And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. ... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Gen.9:20-25

:smile: Noah wasn't a Christian.:smile:


So what are you asking then? Do you want a non-biblical example or one from the NT? It was still the word of god.

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Wed 01/21/09 09:28 AM
Edited by smiless on Wed 01/21/09 09:37 AM

Who said dump? Those who go because they go willingly to see something new unless such a World New Order actually existed like some prophesize then they would be dumped. I cannot predict future as this is pure imagination. If it happens then it would be interesting. A hundred years ago people believed walking on the moon is nothing more then a wild imagination and unattainable.


That was not made clear in your initial post. If we do indeed continue down the road we have been and overpopulating and exacerbating the current ecological crisis, then yes we will find ourselves in a position to dump our human population somewhere else. This is absolutely disgusting in my opinion but unless you get a handle on this problem, I can see it happening.




As a young teenager I had a aquarim filled with dirt and threw in a group of ants. I watched how the population grew and grew and grew. Eventually ants were dying and even killed each other.

It is sad to see we as humans are doing no different today.

and yes I know... I was a weird childlaugh

I must add that there was also a queen ant in the experimentdrinker

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Wed 01/21/09 10:18 AM
You would have to have a queen. They would make one.

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Wed 01/21/09 10:22 AM




:smile: Can a christian own slaves or endorse any form of slavery?:smile:


Yes. The "just and righteous" Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he (Canaan) be unto his brethren." This is a typical case of biblical justice, and is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.


And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. ... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Gen.9:20-25

:smile: Noah wasn't a Christian.:smile:


So what are you asking then? Do you want a non-biblical example or one from the NT? It was still the word of god.

flowerforyou My original questionflowerforyou

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Wed 01/21/09 10:25 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 01/21/09 10:27 AM
I answered it though unless you can specify something else you would require? huh

Here is another example.

God tells Abram that all males must be circumcised, even those whom Abram had bought with money.

He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised. Gen.17:12-13

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Wed 01/21/09 10:28 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 01/21/09 10:28 AM

I answered it though unless you can specify something else you would require? huh

Here is another example.

God tells Abram that all males must be circumcised, even those whom Abram had bought with money.

He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised. Gen.17:12-13
:smile: Abram wasn't a christian:smile:

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Wed 01/21/09 10:30 AM
So you are saying that it must be from the NT? I already asked that. Do you deny this is the word of god?

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Wed 01/21/09 10:35 AM
NT

Paul, who aproves of slavery, orders slaves "honor their masters" and to obey their them "in all things as unto Christ."

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. Eph.6:5

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Wed 01/21/09 10:42 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 01/21/09 10:43 AM
I don't see colonizing other planets any different then humans colonizing different continents on this planet.

It seems to me there could be a right way and wrong way to settle a new environment and co-adapt with its ecosystem.

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Wed 01/21/09 10:46 AM

You would have to have a queen. They would make one.



Are you saying if you have an ant farm without a queen they will make one? How do they do that?

Also another question, why did the ants start killing each other? Was it because they did not have room to expand?

I think ants are interesting.


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Wed 01/21/09 10:48 AM

I don't see colonizing other planets any different then humans colonizing different continents on this planet.

It seems to me there could be a right way and wrong way to settle a new environment and co-adapt with its ecosystem.
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It would be interesting to find a planet that still had dinosaurs and other strange creatures on it and stard colonizing it. Makes for a great movie idea.

There have been several series on t.v. about something like that.




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Wed 01/21/09 10:51 AM
Certain critters such as some ants, and some frogs when a population has no females to reproduce sometimes an ant, or frog will literally grow the appropriate parts to get the job done. Perhaps Krimsa can elaborate, its been a while since I read this . .

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Wed 01/21/09 11:00 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 01/21/09 11:00 AM
Yeah this fish will even do that. The California Sheepshead.




Wrasses, especially the larger species, generally live long lives, are slow to reach sexual maturation and produce millions of tiny eggs in reproduction. Many species, including the related California sheepshead wrasse (Semicossyphus pulcher), change sex from female to male several years after female maturation, a phenomenon known as sequential hermaphroditism, or protogyny.



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Wed 01/21/09 11:00 AM


It was a class experiment at the time and the aquarim actually was very narrow. I guess it wouldn't qualify as a aquarim at all, yet I don't have the english word for it at the moment. We were instructed to feed the ants a certain amount of food, yet when the population became crowded they began to fight each other and the weak were then eaten as I observed this taking my project eventually home from the classroom.

This is because there wasn't enough food and they were litterly walking above each other constently.

It was interesting to see that overpopulation and the lack of food created frenzy and eventually had a down turn as many more died off leaving the population to rebalance itself somehow.

now in the end I think what my teacher at the time was trying to say is that we as a people are no different. At the moment we have enough food to feed everyone if wanted to, but the governments don't work together to ensure this to happen as obviously you know there is starvation today even here in this country believe it or not.

In the end I thought that my goodness we are humans and we are not doing any better then ants when it comes to stablizing a on growing population.

If only education can somehow spread the world like malady we could perhaps stablize our population if needed. If not then I do fear that world resources can be stripped and poverty can grow that is why I came to the conclusion as a alternative to invent the hyperdrive that can go warp speeds to find other planets to allow us to resettle if needed.

If not then maybe we as a human population of 50 billion will just be so crowded and end up like the ants killing each other and maybe even becoming cannibals. ewwww what a thought rightlaugh

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Wed 01/21/09 11:23 AM



It was a class experiment at the time and the aquarim actually was very narrow. I guess it wouldn't qualify as a aquarim at all, yet I don't have the english word for it at the moment. We were instructed to feed the ants a certain amount of food, yet when the population became crowded they began to fight each other and the weak were then eaten as I observed this taking my project eventually home from the classroom.

This is because there wasn't enough food and they were litterly walking above each other constently.

It was interesting to see that overpopulation and the lack of food created frenzy and eventually had a down turn as many more died off leaving the population to rebalance itself somehow.

now in the end I think what my teacher at the time was trying to say is that we as a people are no different. At the moment we have enough food to feed everyone if wanted to, but the governments don't work together to ensure this to happen as obviously you know there is starvation today even here in this country believe it or not.

In the end I thought that my goodness we are humans and we are not doing any better then ants when it comes to stablizing a on growing population.

If only education can somehow spread the world like malady we could perhaps stablize our population if needed. If not then I do fear that world resources can be stripped and poverty can grow that is why I came to the conclusion as a alternative to invent the hyperdrive that can go warp speeds to find other planets to allow us to resettle if needed.

If not then maybe we as a human population of 50 billion will just be so crowded and end up like the ants killing each other and maybe even becoming cannibals. ewwww what a thought rightlaugh

Yep scary and very probable given current trends.

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