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I always look at Atheist in general as being weak because they don't stand for anything.You live your whole life not standing up for anything and then you complain that life is hard for you because there are people around you who do believe in something.Worse yet there are people who believe in something and some stupid Atheist is trying to take that away and for what?I wonder what kind of a country we would have if when we were growing up our parents and teachers told us we shouldn't believe in anything.I just can't see the logic. I have also found Aeithest to be the biggest hypocrites and whiners I have ever seen in my life.They constantly complain about God this and God that.The constantly complain about Jesus and the Christians yet they do not believe in either at all!They debate religion saying Jesus did this and Jesus did that trying to win a case and the whole time they are trying to get facts from a book they don't believe in.It really makes you look stupid when you tell me there is no God yet you try to debate me with facts about God.If you really didn't believe in God you wouldn't debate at all because what is the point in debated someone that you know doesn't exist?I will have much more respect for a Aeithest that doesn't debate religion because he really doesn't believe in God then some idiot that wants to argue for the only reason to insult my religion. Atheist are the most selfish people on earth.They are not happy with other people even having a belief so they want that taken away.Is it so hard to just mind your own business and let people believe what they want to believe instead of what you think they should believe in?There is also nothing to be gained from believing in nothing. See what I mean, Eljay? Almost as if on cue. If the Golden Horde somehow rode out of history to beseige this 'Christian Nation', and a group of engineers like myself invented the weapons and techniques to stop them, to whom do you think people like Thomas would give the credit? Yeah, me too. I'd probably get a nice 'Christian' funeral, though. -Kerry O. |
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YES! America is a land with an official religion, just like Iran! Americans everywhere worship the GOD of CEREMONIAL DEISM. That is why we have "under God" in the pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" as our national motto (instead of that namby-pamby "E Pluribus Unum!") and on our coins and currency. Christianity? Bah! Judaism? Bah! And forget Islam and Hinduism and Buddhism and the cult of Cthulhu. Our deity is Providence. The Capital City of Rhode Island is even named for our national God. You are carelessly mixing terms here. The founding fathers established this country on the belief in God - but the freedom from a national Religion. Religion and God are not freely substituted as synonimous terms. The Founding Fathers were Deists. This has been established probably on about a dozen or more threads. In this statement I was speaking of Ceremonial Deism and the concept of Providence. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/21/09 05:15 AM
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No anyone who can not think for themselves make up fairy tales Krisma. Which is what you all continually do. Miles if ANYTHING I have stated on this thread is incorrect, a falsification of historical data, or exaggerated then I beg you to find my error. It is my understanding that at least six of these higher profile Founding Fathers were Deists. Any credible historian would agree with this fact. I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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 Can a christian own slaves or endorse any form of slavery? Yes. The "just and righteous" Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he (Canaan) be unto his brethren." This is a typical case of biblical justice, and is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery. And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. ... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Gen.9:20-25 |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Wed 01/21/09 05:25 AM
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No anyone who can not think for themselves make up fairy tales Krisma. Which is what you all continually do. Miles if ANYTHING I have stated on this thread is incorrect, a falsification of historical data, or exaggerated then I beg you to find my error. It is my understanding that at least six of these higher profile Founding Fathers were Deists. Any credible historian would agree with this fact. I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. Even if so.. It was a group effort who agreed on what was being done and I am sure the language used. Just because something in govt' is signed by one lets say the pres. does not mean only he agreed. I do not know if it was a 51% vote or not then. I think congress on a lot of bills it has to be a 66% in favor to pass..Shalom..Miles I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. That is a broad statement.. Could you give some examples of this. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/21/09 05:42 AM
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No anyone who can not think for themselves make up fairy tales Krisma. Which is what you all continually do. Miles if ANYTHING I have stated on this thread is incorrect, a falsification of historical data, or exaggerated then I beg you to find my error. It is my understanding that at least six of these higher profile Founding Fathers were Deists. Any credible historian would agree with this fact. I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. Even if so.. It was a group effort who agreed on what was being done and I am sure the language used. Just because something in govt' is signed by one lets say the pres. does not mean only he agreed. I do not know if it was a 51% vote or not then. I think congress on a lot of bills it has to be a 66% in favor to pass..Shalom..Miles I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. That is a broad statement.. Could you give some examples of this. The first part of your post, I have no idea to whom or what you are referring so I can not speak to that. I already showed you one instance in which Congress actually revised a statement made by Jefferson, a strong and well known Deist. I have already given several examples on thread yet here is another. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once. |
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I get the feeling that some people define Atheist as anyone who is not a Xian. I also think some people who define themselves as Atheist are actually Agnostic. Personally, if you don't believe in the 3rd Baptist, Southern, Reformed, Missouri Synod 1879, Hampstead Conviction 1904, Illnois Revised Charter 1922 then I consider all of you devil spawn! LOL! <- someone please note that it is a joke.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/21/09 06:04 AM
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I get the feeling that some people define Atheist as anyone who is not a Xian. I also think some people who define themselves as Atheist are actually Agnostic. Personally, if you don't believe in the 3rd Baptist, Southern, Reformed, Missouri Synod 1879, Hampstead Conviction 1904, Illnois Revised Charter 1922 then I consider all of you devil spawn! LOL! <- someone please note that it is a joke. Yes that’s very often the case on forum. I had a Christian explain to me that he felt I was an Atheist because I was not Christian and did not believe in the Christian version of godhead. It didn’t matter to him beyond that. I told him to try getting in a Muslim's face and referring to him as Atheist. 
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Well you did say you liked the "debates" with them. On this thread they run ads for a DVD called The G-d that wasn't there, I wonder if anyone will buy it. However, after reading about how tortured Mother Teresa was when she lost her faith, I do not think I would, personally, argue too strongly with someone whose faith is so fragile that they go off on the crazy stuff. Remember that as a response to Darwin, the Pope ordered his best scholars to deeply study the Bible to combat Darwin, within 30 years most of the scholars left the Churh or started the Catholic Modernist movement.
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Well just getting back to the Fouding Fathers, none of them were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Wed 01/21/09 06:12 AM
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No anyone who can not think for themselves make up fairy tales Krisma. Which is what you all continually do. Miles if ANYTHING I have stated on this thread is incorrect, a falsification of historical data, or exaggerated then I beg you to find my error. It is my understanding that at least six of these higher profile Founding Fathers were Deists. Any credible historian would agree with this fact. I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. Even if so.. It was a group effort who agreed on what was being done and I am sure the language used. Just because something in govt' is signed by one lets say the pres. does not mean only he agreed. I do not know if it was a 51% vote or not then. I think congress on a lot of bills it has to be a 66% in favor to pass..Shalom..Miles I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. That is a broad statement.. Could you give some examples of this. The first part of your post, I have no idea to whom or what you are referring so I can not speak to that. I already showed you one instance in which Congress actually revised a statement made by Jefferson, a strong and well known Deist. I have already given several examples on thread yet here is another. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once. Now if I have this right. The constitution is meant for a standard of court of law and police cconduct. Why is it where this constitution is upheld that even today the majority of court houses have a copy of the 10 commandments on thier wall somewhwere. 60 years ago it was everywhere schools, courthouses govt. buildings. It the constitution has a diest written all over it where is it in our legal buildings. Since it has been taken out of our schools you can see crime skyrocket very easily in any chart..shalom..Miles |
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I have not been aware of Court decisions requiring the removal of copies of the ten commandments? Are you aware that there is only place in the Bible where ten commandments are called the ten commandments and stated to be written on stone tablets and that these commandments are not the ten used in all those plaques which call themselves the ten commandments?
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No anyone who can not think for themselves make up fairy tales Krisma. Which is what you all continually do. Miles if ANYTHING I have stated on this thread is incorrect, a falsification of historical data, or exaggerated then I beg you to find my error. It is my understanding that at least six of these higher profile Founding Fathers were Deists. Any credible historian would agree with this fact. I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. Even if so.. It was a group effort who agreed on what was being done and I am sure the language used. Just because something in govt' is signed by one lets say the pres. does not mean only he agreed. I do not know if it was a 51% vote or not then. I think congress on a lot of bills it has to be a 66% in favor to pass..Shalom..Miles I never said that there was no Christians involved with the Continental Congress, only that the Deist influence was enormous on the writing and articulation of these documents. One only need glance at the Constitution. That is a broad statement.. Could you give some examples of this. The first part of your post, I have no idea to whom or what you are referring so I can not speak to that. I already showed you one instance in which Congress actually revised a statement made by Jefferson, a strong and well known Deist. I have already given several examples on thread yet here is another. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once. Now if I have this right. The constitution is meant for a standard of court of law and police cconduct. Why is it where this constitution is upheld that even today the majority of court houses have a copy of the 10 commandments on thier wall somewhwere. 60 years ago it was everywhere schools, courthouses govt. buildings. It the constitution has a diest written all over it where is it in our legal buildings. Since it has been taken out of our schools you can see crime skyrocket very easily in any chart..shalom..Miles It is right. If you doubt any of this information you can research it for yourself either online right this second or in any public library. The Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law of the United States. It provides the framework for the organization of the United States Government. Its also defines the three main branches of the government. The majority of Court Houses or Civic Offices do NOT display the Ten Commandments nor should they. The rest of your statement is based on conjecture, personal bias and is non responsive. |
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I will have much more respect for a Aeithest that doesn't debate religion because he really doesn't believe in God then some idiot that wants to argue for the only reason to insult my religion. Wow. And they call us the "bashers."?  Take it down a notch, son. Your loving Christian nature overwhelms me.
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 01/21/09 08:31 AM
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This Nation was/is a Work in Progress.  Just as Christians are a work in progress. In fact...we ALL are a Work in Progress!!  And God is not done with any of us.... and God is not done with this nation ..or with any nation for that matter. So..Let's PRAY for our Leaders!!! Let's Pray for Our Nation!!! And Let's Pray for One Another!!!  ___________________________________________________________ I want to ask everyone what is a belief? I think it is accurate to describe a belief as accepting something as true. If anyone what so ever is unsure . . . . when they have all but accepted something as true, perhaps they are close to accepting it and just need a nudge, perhaps they have just begun to learn about it and have not formed an opinion at all, perhaps they are like me and require some real evidence for such fantastic occurrences, then they are an atheist. HOWEVER, the fact remains that if you have not accepted something as true yet, regardless of almost's, or nearly's, or might have's . . . then you are an atheist. The positive belief that one cannot know if god exists is agnostic, not being unsure, there is a distinction that most people fail to recognize. |
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Billy,
God has chosen people didn't you know that? 
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 01/21/09 08:30 AM
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Billy, God has chosen people didn't you know that? See even god is pro choice. I would pray for god to change his mind, and choose life.   I will have much more respect for a Aeithest that doesn't debate religion because he really doesn't believe in God then some idiot that wants to argue for the only reason to insult my religion. Wow. And they call us the "bashers."? Take it down a notch, son. Your loving Christian nature overwhelms me. I cant remember any debates I have been in debating religion, its not my specialty, I debate science when its presented in a fashion untrue. I debate apologist who try to play at science. I debate some politics just because you cant be an intelligent person today and keep your head in the sand all the time.(mostly details not fundamentals, I don't understand politics at its fundamentals . . . but I have never been married to wealth or power emotionally) I cant really remember debating Christianity with any one. I have posted some posts asking for your take on given scriptures and disagreed with some folks translations / interpretations, but never have a I debated anyone religion. Honestly I have seen other theist debate much more voraciously on the subject then me, or other atheists I have known. I can give you a quick check guide to know when Ill be here in the threads, if you mention atheism or misuse the term Ill be here, If you take a stance that your religion has absolute knowledge or truth, or that something like morals could have only come from god . . . ill be here. If you try to disabuse science, ill be here. |
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See even god is pro choice. God is pro-choice. No kidding. Look here. Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life. Exodus 21 "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life." If two men fight and cause a woman to miscarry, but do not hurt her, then the one who hurt her shall pay her husband an amount determined by the judges. Only if the woman dies is the punishment to be death. Apparently, then, with respect to abortion, God is pro-choice since he considers a woman's life to be more important that that of the fetus. |
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Atheism is strong and shall get stronger as the future generations educate themselves. When this happens, I am sure more discoveries will be found in inventing things this planet really needs without being delayed because of a superstitious belief system that prevents scientists or discoverer's to do their work.
I hope in my grand childs lifetime (if my daughter bears one) that hyperactive warp drive will be discovered to see other planets. Then we can transport the overpopulated planet to other planets to start new. Just imagine a all atheist planet called Atheim.
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Maybe they dont want our excess human population?
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