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Darwin had no clue how truly complex the living cell is. But theologians do? They just say that poof, we magically appeared. I believe the Christian is in a good position to follow the evidence wherever it leads. The atheist has no other choice, He must find a way to explain how life could arise from purely naturalistic processes. You mean like all the evidence we have that completely disproves the bibles version of how old the earth is? |
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Darwin had no clue how truly complex the living cell is. But theologians do? They just say that poof, we magically appeared. I believe the Christian is in a good position to follow the evidence wherever it leads. The atheist has no other choice, He must find a way to explain how life could arise from purely naturalistic processes. You mean like all the evidence we have that completely disproves the bibles version of how old the earth is? You obviously havent studied theology. Augustine said it years ago, the six days of Genesis are open to a wide range of interpretation. |
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religions (christianity included) all have hocus pocus explanations for how things came about.
i find it funny that ppl can look back and laugh at how crazy it sounded when ppl believed that athena jumped out of zeus' skull... and in the same breath they'll regurgitate some crazy story from their religion as if its any different... i think MLK said it best when he recognized "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power." in the end - this is good for all of us. it represents progress. just as people walked away from religions in the past, they will walk away from the religions of today. |
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Darwin had no clue how truly complex the living cell is. But theologians do? They just say that poof, we magically appeared. I believe the Christian is in a good position to follow the evidence wherever it leads. The atheist has no other choice, He must find a way to explain how life could arise from purely naturalistic processes. You mean like all the evidence we have that completely disproves the bibles version of how old the earth is? You obviously havent studied theology. Augustine said it years ago, the six days of Genesis are open to a wide range of interpretation. I don't care how much "Interpretation" there is, Religion, and Religious Institutions say that earth has only been around for thousands of years. Science, through the various tests that it has developed, has proven that it is billions of years old. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 01/25/09 05:09 PM
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But you never provide evidence for this hypothesis that Hitler was a fake Christian. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then where does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where? Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil. You will need to do better then that, Eljay. Satan LOVES distorting the Gospel message... and WILL seek and find those, whom he can work thru.... and further decieve....and devour... and work every kind of atrocity thru!!! Like Hitler, for instance!!! And no...there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what Hitler did, that represents TRUE christianity...in ANY form or fashion ...... whatsoever!!!!!!!! Hitler USED and TWISTED Christianity .... for his GAIN!! AND futhermore.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist ..... to figure that out by now!!!! "You shall know them by their FRUITS" |
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religions (christianity included) all have hocus pocus explanations for how things came about. i find it funny that ppl can look back and laugh at how crazy it sounded when ppl believed that athena jumped out of zeus' skull... and in the same breath they'll regurgitate some crazy story from their religion as if its any different... i think MLK said it best when he recognized "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power." in the end - this is good for all of us. it represents progress. just as people walked away from religions in the past, they will walk away from the religions of today. I dont think so, Literal translations of the Hebrew word, yom, like our English word "day," can refer to a 24 hour day, sunrise to sunset (12 hours), or a long, unspecified period of time. |
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But you never provide evidence for this hypothesis that Hitler was a fake Christian. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then where does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where? Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil. You will need to do better then that, Eljay. Satan LOVES distorting the Gospel message... and WILL seek and find those, whom he can work thru.... and further decieve....and devour... and work every kind of atrocity thru!!! Like Hitler, for instance!!! And no...there is NOTHING about what Hitler did, that represents TRUE christianity...in ANY form or fashion ...... whatsover!!!!!!!! AND futhermore.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist ..... to figure that out by now!!!! And, since you are nothing more then a mortal person, who are you to decide what "god" deems to be "True" religion? |
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relevance?
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The belief that creation days are long periods of time is not just a recent interpretation of the scriptures, but was prevalent since the first century. Dr. Ross has published a book entitled Creation and Time, which documents in detail what first century Jewish scholars and the early Christian church fathers said regarding their interpretation of creation chronology (5). Jewish scholars include Philo and Josephus, while Christian fathers include Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Hippolytus (through writings of Ambrose), Clement, Origen, Lactantius, Victorinus, Methodius, Augustine, Eusebius, Basil, and Ambrose. Among this group, nearly all acknowledged the likelihood that the creation days were longer than 24 hours. The evidence presented in Creation and Time is both overwhelming and well documented (all references are given). You can read and/or download translations of the actual text of all of the early church fathers at Wheaton College's server. The collection consists of nearly forty files, averaging ~2 mb each. Alternatively, these writings can be obtained on CD from Logos Research.
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the copy-paste force is strong with you
 but still i ask... relevance? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sun 01/25/09 05:13 PM
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But you never provide evidence for this hypothesis that Hitler was a fake Christian. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then where does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where? Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil. You will need to do better then that, Eljay. Satan LOVES distorting the Gospel message... and WILL seek and find those, whom he can work thru.... and further decieve....and devour... and work every kind of atrocity thru!!! Like Hitler, for instance!!! And no...there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what Hitler did, that represents TRUE christianity...in ANY form or fashion ...... whatsoever!!!!!!!! Hitler USED and TWISTED Christianity .... for his GAIN!! AND futhermore.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist ..... to figure that out by now!!!! "You shall know them by their FRUITS" That is non responsive. We are talking about Adolph Hitler. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 01/25/09 05:38 PM
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But you never provide evidence for this hypothesis that Hitler was a fake Christian. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then where does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where? Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil. You will need to do better then that, Eljay. Satan LOVES distorting the Gospel message... and WILL seek and find those, whom he can work thru.... and further decieve....and devour... and work every kind of atrocity thru!!! Like Hitler, for instance!!! And no...there is NOTHING about what Hitler did, that represents TRUE christianity...in ANY form or fashion ...... whatsover!!!!!!!! AND futhermore.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist ..... to figure that out by now!!!! And, since you are nothing more then a mortal person, who are you to decide what "god" deems to be "True" religion? God is NOT about RELIGION. Or even INTERESTED in man's Religions!!! RELIGION IS MAN MADE. God wants RELATIONSHIP with Us... NOt Religion!!!!! Christianity is about RELATIONSHIP.... back with God...NOT about Religion!!! Christianity is NOT about Religion.. and was never MEANT to be turned into a RELIGION. MAN DID THIS!!! TRUE Christianity is about Salvation... and Relationship back with God!!! RELATIONSHIP!!! NOT RELIGION!!! Have covered this REPEATEDLY on here......... there should be no need to have to keep repeating this. |
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Edited by
monkey127z
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Sun 01/25/09 05:20 PM
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nevermind...
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But you never provide evidence for this hypothesis that Hitler was a fake Christian. If he, indeed, pretended himself as a Christian, then on what evidential material does it stand on? If Hitler acted as a pretend Christian, then where does he disown his belief in Christ? Does he write in his private notes that he used religion only for political purposes? Did any of his close associates or friends think so? Where? Of course Hitler did try to use political force to control Christianity and he tried to establish a unified Reich Christian Church, but this only supports his stand on his view of "positive Christianity" as described in the Nazi party platform (their version of a constitution). And yes, he criticized the Catholic and Protestant hierarchy, but so what? So do Popes and Protestant leaders. Martin Luther himself strongly condemned the Catholic religion and thought of it as the work of the Devil. You will need to do better then that, Eljay. Satan LOVES distorting the Gospel message... and WILL seek and find those, whom he can work thru.... and further decieve....and devour... and work every kind of atrocity thru!!! Like Hitler, for instance!!! And no...there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what Hitler did, that represents TRUE christianity...in ANY form or fashion ...... whatsoever!!!!!!!! Hitler USED and TWISTED Christianity .... for his GAIN!! AND futhermore.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist ..... to figure that out by now!!!! "You shall know them by their FRUITS" That is non responsive. We are talking about Adolph Hitler. I am sorry Krimsa your wrong about Hitler and the link to Darwinian Evolution. |
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Im afraid not. I have posted page after page of refutals but you dont read it so...
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agree with Ruse that Hitler’s ideology was not built solely on Darwinism. Nonetheless, Ruse does not seem to realize that Darwinism was a central, guiding principle of Nazi ideology, especially of Hitler’s own world view. Richard Evans, historian at Cambridge University, has explained, "The real core of Nazi beliefs lay in the faith Hitler proclaimed in his speech of September 1938 in science—a Nazi view of science—as the basis for action. Science demanded the furtherance of the interests not of God but of the human race, and above all the German race and its future in a world ruled by ineluctable laws of Darwinian competition between races and between individuals." This is not a controversial claim by anti-evolutionists, but it is commonly recognized by scholars who study Nazism.
Richard Weikart is professor of history at California State University, Stanislaus, and author of From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany. You will never admit it but your wrong. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 01/25/09 06:00 PM
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Krimsa.....everyone else..... This is the DEFINITION of a TRUE CHRISTIAN : A Christian is some one who believes on Jesus Christ by FAITH ... and then also ACCEPTS Jesus into his/her heart... and therefore ,is how someone is BORN AGAIN....or.... BORN OF GOD!!! (see Romans 10:9) Now.... WHEN a person is BORN AGAIN, there will EVENTUALLY..... be FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT EVIDENT....... as PROOF that a true spiritual birth experience took place!!!!!! OK????? Now.....listen carefully here... There were NO fruits EVIDENT in Hitler's Life... which is the REAL EVIDENCE ....that he was TRULY BORN AGAIN.... which again....is what a CHRISTIAN is.... someone who is BORN AGAIN!!!! REPEAT...... A CHRISTIAN IS ONLY SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN BORN AGAIN..... AND WILL THEREFORE BEAR FRUITS... AS EVIDENCE.... SHOWING HE TRULY IS BORN AGAIN!!! HITLER BORE NO FRUITS!! Now..IF this doesn't finally clarify, then I don't know what else will. Nite now.... 
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A Christian is some one who beleives on Jesus Christ by FAITH ...and then also ACCEPTS Jesus into his/her heart... Then Hitler was a Christian by this definition. He was a Catholic. |
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ugh
 somebody needs to share some of that punch with me so i can quit thinking... (kidding) |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 01/25/09 05:50 PM
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A Christian is some one who beleives on Jesus Christ by FAITH ...and then also ACCEPTS Jesus into his/her heart... Then Hitler was a Christian by this definition. He was a Catholic. Definition of a christian is NOT one who is catholic!!!! One last time... Definition of a CHRISTIAN : ONE WHO IS BORN AGAIN !!!!! And ONE LAST time.... if one IS truly born again.... THERE will BE fruits evident!!! |
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