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Another post that clearly breaks rule #5. I hope a moderator gets around here and sees this, so that they can ban me for pointing it out. See that's my whole point Spider. I'm trying to talk to you as a brother. As a fellow human being. But you're at war. All you can see is an enemy. Let's cast accusations at each other, is all you can think of. You're not interested in discussing anything. All you're interested in is winning your imaginary war. 
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Another post that clearly breaks rule #5. I hope a moderator gets around here and sees this, so that they can ban me for pointing it out. See that's my whole point Spider. I'm trying to talk to you as a brother. As a fellow human being. But you're at war. All you can see is an enemy. Let's cast accusations at each other, is all you can think of. You're not interested in discussing anything. All you're interested in is winning your imaginary war. My brother isn't a Christian and he wouldn't talk to me that way. So you are wrong, you are talking as an arrogant internet bully who knows he can get away with his hate speech would talk. My brother respects me, the way I respect him and you. I don't accept your beliefs, but I'm not so arrogant or offensive as to mock them. |
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Oh spider. People make jokes on here all the time. In fact I heard you once saying that you had Wicca patio furniture. We all make jokes. Get off your soap box. The air is too thin up there. You will lose consciousness.
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With all due respect, I don't recall throwing any personal insults your way. But here here you are calling me arrogant.
Clearly you're in a one-sided war because I'm not even firing back. In fact, since you have yourself all worked up emotionally I think I'll just bow out altogether. Have a good day. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 01/17/09 11:57 AM
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Personally the "sorted past" of Christianity is more than just a "sorted past" if you really look closely. It is a foundation of pure evil and deceit. I would think twice before I became involved in that and tried to defend it. It looks like a loosing battle to me. How can one be sure they are not on the side of an evil force that disguises itself as good? Is that not what they claim their enemy Satan does? How do they even know they do not worship Satan pretending to be God? Do they think they are more clever than their master? Its like a bunch of sheep who follow a goat to slaughter. I respect you too much as a person (because I have a level of respect for all people and their beliefs) to say those sorts of hurtful things about your beliefs normally. I think your beliefs are...well...silly. I think your beliefs sound like a bad science fiction movie and as I've pointed out before there are holes that a truck can drive through. You have no basis for your beliefs other than your own imagination and books with no factual basis what-so-ever. But I keep my tongue. I don't see any value to bashing the beliefs of others. I see your posts about lizard aliens and think "I'll have to pray for her" and move on. But you constantly attack the beliefs of Christians. I think it's rude. I've attacked your beliefs in the past (and in this post) to get through to you how hateful you appear when you make these posts, but it doesn't get through. You have so many people here who encourage your bad behavior. Who egg you on to further and more heinous insults against Christians. I really think you should step back and realize that you are talking to people. You use the fact that they are "Christians" to justify behavior that isn't acceptable in any social situation. I am not talking about Christians Spider. I am talking about myself and how I view the Catholic Church and the way it was founded by Rome. The Romans were pure evil. How can one trust them? I don't trust them and I believe they were behind the founding of the Catholic Church. Are you Catholic? If not, why not? Why do you think people broke away from the Catholic church? Probably because some people discovered how evil it is at its core and foundation. Many people today still worship the Pope as if he were the voice of God. Do you? But it is for this reason I have personally rejected any kind of Christianity. I simply don't trust where it came from or its founders. If you want to, that is your business. I don't care. I am just telling you why I don't. I am talking about myself, not you or other Christians. They have their own reasons. Again, I am not bashing Christians or even talking about the Christian belief in general. I am talking directly about my own reasons and thoughts on it ~and why I don't get involved. It is my opinion. I don't logically see how something good can arise from something so evil. Now I think Christianity has gotten better. I commend reasonable people and laws for that. (Laws against burning witches and raping your wife etc.) .. which use to be legal. Society has forced Christianity to get better because people, not religion have evolved in their thinking. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Sat 01/17/09 12:14 PM
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This is truly insane.
Christians come on the forums proselytizing Christianity and claiming that everyone who doesn't believe that Jesus was God and that the Bible is the word of God is rejecting God! That's a blatant bashing of all other beliefs right there! Then when people explain why they don't buy into the Christian picture the Christians start screaming,... You're BASHING CHRISTIANITY!  This is total insanity. This very thread was started as a "Proof of the existence of God based on the idea of morality" So I suggest that the biblical account of God is highly immoral and has historically been proven to be so. And what do we hear? Oh, you're BASHING CHRISTIANITY! This is utterly insane. Christians are insane. Period. That's not bashing anyone. I'm just giving my opinion why I don't buy into their so-called "Proof". Christians try to ram their beliefs down the throats of everyone else, and when other people give REASONS why they don't buy into bigotry in the name of Jesus, they are labeled as "Christian Bashers". It's just utterly insane. There's no other way to describe it. |
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I think they are working on "chiseling" away all of our acceptable responses till we are left with nothing other than total agreement with them and their holy book.
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I think they are working on "chiseling" away all of our acceptable responses till we are left with nothing other than total agreement with them and their holy book. That's precisely it right there. Anything short of praising Jesus as Lord and becoming a bigot in the name of the Old Testament is considered to be anarchy against Christianity (in particular Protestantism) The Protestants are the first ones to scream foul. Yet, they are nothing but rebels themselves who have become heretics of the Catholic Church. It's nothing short of ridiculous. And then they claim personal insult and injury when people don't take them seriously.  |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 01/17/09 02:06 PM
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I have used the term "evil" to describe the foundation of the Catholic Church because that is a term that they understand and that is how I see it given accurate historical accounts.
If they think my saying that is "improper" or if they take that as an "insult" (or hurtful) then I will remind them that I have been called "evil" simply for disagreeing with them.. (Heretic) Do they not see how they have hurt others? Do they not know how long we have listened to this doctrine that they are are still pushing? (Over 2000 years and many incarnations I have had to endure this.) Do they honestly expect us to forever patronize them in an effort not to "hurt their feelings?" And I have been accused of practicing "evil" for my interest in tarot card reading, and called "sinner" for not going to church literally all of my life. So now, when I honestly share with them my feelings and reasons for rejecting their doctrines they take it as an insult and even call it "bashing." Can they not handle the truth? That truth is that not everyone sees things the way that they do and they have good reasons. They don't want to discuss the facts or the reasons, they just cry and complain that they have been insulted and hurt. The truth hurts. Do you want the truth or not? Or would you rather be patronized and patted on the head like a little child? Please allow people to speak the truth of themselves and be man enough to take it. The High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty, Jeanniebean (Gloria Jean.) |
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That's ignoring the fact that Christians aren't allowed to execute witches by their scriptures. For worshipping other gods If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10 For witches and wizards A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27 And before you start whining that this was the OT, the OT is the WORD OF GOD. Christians are believers in Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. There were no christians in the Old testament .. cause Jesus had not yet come in the flesh yet in the Old testament, Krimsa..... Jesus coming in the flesh, is told in The NEW testament .... but of course, his coming was Foretold by the prophets in the Old Testament. |
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And before you start whining that this was the OT, the OT is the WORD OF GOD. So you ignore the word of god then? I dont think you are allowed to pick and choose only the good parts MS.  |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 01/17/09 04:37 PM
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Basically the Old testament shows us , how the world was, without a Redeemer yet.
Cause Jesus had not yet come in the flesh yet. So we have a people in the Old testament, TRYING to KEEP THE LAW.... and God KNEW all along, man would NOT be able to keep the law..... and THAT is why God sent us a Saviour. To redeem us and bring us BACK into Fellowship with God. Folks...See how the people were....in the old testament....without Jesus yet living in their hearts???? Versus the people in the New Testament, the ones who DID accept Jessu as Messiah?? See the difference? Look at Pentacost(go read the book of Acts)... look at how the diciples acted BEFORE pentascost... versus after pentacost.... See the power of God's Love moving? Instead of hate ? See the difference? Go read the New Testament too, folks... not just the Old... read and see and learn of Jesus ....and the Power of God's Love at work. JESUS's Coming, is what made all the difference... between what you see in the Old testament... versus what you see in the new Testament... cause only thru Jesus , is man restored back to fellowship with God.... and when that happens,God then is able to transform man's heart of stone.....into a heart of flesh(Love)!! All the trying to keep religious rules..... all the trying to keep the laws...did not work... without God's LOVE first in ones' hearts!! But when ones' heart is FULL of God's Love(which happens when Jesus the Saviour comes to live in one's heart).... THEN one is able to keep God's Word and God's commandments.......... but out of Love for God... and not because the law is being beaten over one's head. And btw, Jessu gave us a New commandment ..... to LOVE God with all thy heart, mind and soul .... and to LOVE thy neighbor as thy self!!!! And btw....THAT NEW COMMANDMENT SAYS IT ALL AND COVERS IT ALL !!! But again....NO man could keep the law. God KNEW this. That is why God sent us a Saviour. Jesus coming to dwell with us, made ALL the difference. Learn of HIM now, folks.... not just keep dwelling on what happened in the Old testament..... Learn of how Jesus IMPROVED on what was in the Old Covenant , with the NEW Covenant. Jessu is LOVE!! Not hate and religiousity and pharisees and saducess and relgious folk.... When you GOT JESUS , you have LOVE for All mankind.......LOVE !!!!!! NOT all this jugdment and hate...as was found in the old testament. JESUS's Coming makes ALL the difference!!! Heavenly Father gives ALL the Glory to Jesus now...cause of what he did for us.... to redeem us and Save us. Focus on Jesus now....learn of Him. Starting Today!!! Amen? Love You All..... So does God!!!  |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sat 01/17/09 03:47 PM
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And before you start whining that this was the OT, the OT is the WORD OF GOD. So you ignore the word of god then? I dont think you are allowed to pick and choose only the good parts MS. No Krimsa...we don't ignore any of God's Word. But we also don't practice stoning or sacrifices anymore, or some of the other mossaic laws practiced at the time in the old testament... God gave us a new covenant now....which did not do away with the old, but IMPROVED On the old.... with a new and better way. One FILLED with GOD'S LOVE.... |
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So god was only mean and evil in the OT? But that was still the word of god? Why was he mean then? That makes no sense. Anyway. This is from the NT.
Matthew 5 Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 
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Spider, do you or do you not have the capability of understanding why some people might take issue with Christianity based on its followers and historic track record? Here you have touched on what is esentially the problem. Blaming on christianity and the bible - the behavior of evil people who profess adherance to it, but who's actions totally contradict their claim. Jesus had something to say about these people. He said "Depart from me, I never knew you." All of the things that you site as being the fault of christianity - the Crusades, Hitler, burning witches... none of these are supported behaviors of scripture. And to participate in - or justify these actions is a clear demonstration of not being a christian, and certainly not understanding christainity. So to attribute these actions as examples of christianity also demonstrates a lack of understanding of the concept. Like blindly claiming that evolution says we evolved from apes solicites a response of "not knowing anything about evolution". The problem comes of claiming these actions as representative of Christianity. There is an entire book in the bible dealing with this kind of thinking. The book of James. It'll take all of about ten minutes to read it. It will give you a much better idea of the actions of christianity - rather than the secular historical perspective of it. |
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For worshipping other gods
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10 For witches and wizards A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27 And before you start whining that this was the OT, the OT is the WORD OF GOD. |
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Oh get real. When was the last time you saw the KKK having a rally around Charles Darwin. Of course the cross is always very high profile. They use it in their insignia. They burn it on lawns. I doubt most of those people could understand the theory of evolution let alone attempt to somehow support it or further their cause with it. You don't need the KKK to refute Spider. Take Klebold and Harris and the motivating force behind the Columbine Massacre. Evolution at it's best. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 01/17/09 04:05 PM
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Well explain why the Klan uses the burning cross exactly to incite fear in minorities? They also use the cross in their insignia. I really cant remember the last time I heard the word “Darwin” or “biological evolution” mentioned in any kind of contextual alliance with the KKK. Christianity would be another story all together.
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ABra said: I'm not holding modern Christians accountable for anything. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the superstition that they are buying into. Hmmm, Abra, maybe modern Christians should be held accountable for creating an atmosphere of fear and hatred born of gullibility and outright dismissal of the atrocities in the bible. Held responsible for laziness, in not questioning those that lead them to believe things that should have been questioned by their very leaders. Held responsible for not teaching their children that other possibilities to a path to enlightenment exist. Maybe modern day Christianity is leading us backward to a time when we were even less educated and more violent. Those leaders so bent on bring about the end times may just find they destroyed man all on their own. I wonder if they would find a conscience even then. But then again those leaders found millions of followers that with out question supported their actions. Just a thought.... |
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Focus on Jesus now....learn of Him. Starting Today!!! I have learned of Jesus. That's why I reject Christianity and all the bigotry they preach in the name of Jesus. |
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