That argument of "we would all be Muslims now" reminds me of the one used to justify the "police action" in Vietnam.

Whats the problem with Muslims?

Why the fear?

Your so right Krimsa.

I hate that right wing bull**** some people go around talking and I really enjoy bursting their fake little bubble just like you.

It's the truth, the fact that you and Krimsa have no grasp on the history of the Crusades makes no difference to me. But an HONEST person would want to understand the crusades before objecting to my post.

But Spider, you can't deny that Christians have killed in the name of God many many times. They did not go into the so-called "promised land" to convert people they went in there to kill them and take their land, convinced as you are, that the people there were evil because they believed in a different God.

That alone proves beyond any doubt that Christians are willing to kill someone because of what they believe and who they worship. The crusades are yet another one.

It also can't be denied that the Muslim religion stems from the same false teachings that Christianity came from. You can't deny these things. You can't even successfully debate these things. These are facts.

Here's the amazing thing: Christianity has a sorted past. Christianity was used to fuel the holocaust. Christians burned witches. Christians went to excesses in the Crusades...but to suggest that Islam also have a sorted past is met with incredulity! "Oh! SpiderCMB is an Islamophobe! Why do you hate and fear Muslims!"

Your bias is beyond belief! Your hypocrisy would make the Pharisees sit up and take notice. Michael Vick would be less hypocritical to lecture someone on how to treat their pets!

Spider I dont care that the site is Pro-Islam. What differance does that make? Okay I will use a historical site. Happy? Are you going to now assert that anything mentioned in that excerpt was false?

Crusades, series of wars by Western European Christians to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims (see Palestine). The Crusades were first undertaken in 1096 and ended in the late 13th century. The term Crusade was originally applied solely to European efforts to retake from the Muslims the city of Jerusalem, which was sacred to Christians as the site of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. It was later used to designate any military effort by Europeans against non-Christians.

The Crusaders carved out feudal states in the Near East. Thus the Crusades are an important early part of the story of European expansion and colonialism. They mark the first time Western Christendom undertook a military initiative far from home, the first time significant numbers left to carry their culture and religion abroad.

In addition to the campaigns in the East, the Crusading movement includes other wars against Muslims, pagans, and dissident Christians and the general expansion of Christian Europe. In a broad sense the Crusades were an expression of militant Christianity and European expansion. They combined religious interests with secular and military enterprises. Christians learned to live in different cultures, which they learned and absorbed; they also imposed something of their own characteristics on these cultures. The Crusades strongly affected the imagination and aspirations of people at the time, and to this day they are among the most famous chapters of medieval history.

After the death of Charlemagne, king of the Franks, in 814 and the subsequent collapse of his empire, Christian Europe was under attack and on the defensive. Magyars, nomadic people from Asia, pillaged eastern and central Europe until the 10th century. Beginning about 800, several centuries of Viking raids disrupted life in northern Europe and even threatened Mediterranean cities. But the greatest threat came from the forces of Islam, militant and victorious in the centuries following the death of their leader, Muhammad, in 632. By the 8th century, Islamic forces had conquered North Africa, the eastern shores of the Mediterranean, and most of Spain. Islamic armies established bases in Italy, greatly reduced the size and power of the Byzantine Empire (the Eastern Roman Empire) and besieged its capital, Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire, which had preserved much of the classical civilization of the Greeks and had defended the eastern Mediterranean from assaults from all sides, was barely able to hold off the enemy. Islam posed the threat of a rival culture and religion, which neither the Vikings nor the Magyars had done.

Here's the amazing thing: Christianity has a sorted past. Christianity was used to fuel the holocaust. Christians burned witches. Christians went to excesses in the Crusades...but to suggest that Islam also have a sorted past is met with incredulity! "Oh! SpiderCMB is an Islamophobe! Why do you hate and fear Muslims!"

Your bias is beyond belief! Your hypocrisy would make the Pharisees sit up and take notice. Michael Vick would be less hypocritical to lecture someone on how to treat their pets!

So now you do finally admit that Christianity carries with it a hideous past? Well if you are honest in that assertion, then we are getting somewhere. Have you ever heard me say on these forums that there has never been a bad Atheist to walk the planet earth? Stop being so silly. I am showing historically accurate information.

I haven't denied that Christianity has a sorted past, that there have been bad Christians. I resent the fact that I have been so open about that and admitting it repeatedly, but here you pretend that I have been denying it. I think honesty is a virtue and I am offended by people who are dishonest by openly lying or implying something which isn't true.

It's the truth, the fact that you and Krimsa have no grasp on the history of the Crusades makes no difference to me. But an HONEST person would want to understand the crusades before objecting to my post.

Right wingers just twist and pervert the scriptures to justify their own sadism

Fair enough. Spider I challenge you to refute what I have posted.

Another post that should get someone a warning or a ban, but I'm sure it's okay. I'm done with reporting these sorts of disgusting insults. I have no idea why so many of you feel the need to actively hate other people. I don't doubt you are good people, but I believe you are misguided. You, however, believe I am evil and that my beliefs are just wrong, but the source of all the worlds ills.

Personally the "sorted past" of Christianity is more than just a "sorted past" if you really look closely. It is a foundation of pure evil and deceit.

I would think twice before I became involved in that and tried to defend it. It looks like a loosing battle to me. How can one be sure they are not on the side of an evil force that disguises itself as good? Is that not what they claim their enemy Satan does? How do they even know they do not worship Satan pretending to be God? Do they think they are more clever than their master?

Its like a bunch of sheep who follow a goat to slaughter.