Your so right Krimsa.

That post has nothing to do with Muslims. One of my best friends is a Muslim. So before you go trying to accuse me of something, let me check you now.

It's the truth, the fact that you and Krimsa have no grasp on the history of the Crusades makes no difference to me. But an HONEST person would want to understand the crusades before objecting to my post.

But Spider, you can't deny that Christians have killed in the name of God many many times. They did not go into the so-called "promised land" to convert people they went in there to kill them and take their land, convinced as you are, that the people there were evil because they believed in a different God.

That alone proves beyond any doubt that Christians are willing to kill someone because of what they believe and who they worship. The crusades are yet more proof.

It also can't be denied that the Muslim religion stems from the same false teachings that Christianity came from. You can't deny these things. You can't even successfully debate these things. These are facts.

Here's the amazing thing: Christianity has a sorted past. Christianity was used to fuel the holocaust. Christians burned witches. Christians went to excesses in the Crusades...but to suggest that Islam also have a sorted past is met with incredulity! "Oh! SpiderCMB is an Islamophobe! Why do you hate and fear Muslims!"

Your bias is beyond belief! Your hypocrisy would make the Pharisees sit up and take notice. Michael Vick would be less hypocritical to lecture someone on how to treat their pets!

By the time of the First Crusade, 80% of the Christian world had been forcably converted to Islam. The Middle East was almost entirely Christian before Islam began it's Crusade. THAT IS A FACT. The Crusades were primarily concerned with taking back the lands stolen by Islam.

I haven't denied that Christianity has a sorted past, that there have been bad Christians. I resent the fact that I have been so open about that and admitting it repeatedly, but here you pretend that I have been denying it. I think honesty is a virtue and I am offended by people who are dishonest by openly lying or implying something which isn't true.

Spider I dont care that the site is Pro-Islam. What differance does that make? Okay I will use a historical site. Happy? Are you going to now assert that anything mentioned in that excerpt was false?

Crusades, series of wars by Western European Christians to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims (see Palestine). The Crusades were first undertaken in 1096 and ended in the late 13th century. The term Crusade was originally applied solely to European efforts to retake from the Muslims the city of Jerusalem, which was sacred to Christians as the site of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. It was later used to designate any military effort by Europeans against non-Christians.

The Crusaders carved out feudal states in the Near East. Thus the Crusades are an important early part of the story of European expansion and colonialism. They mark the first time Western Christendom undertook a military initiative far from home, the first time significant numbers left to carry their culture and religion abroad.

In addition to the campaigns in the East, the Crusading movement includes other wars against Muslims, pagans, and dissident Christians and the general expansion of Christian Europe. In a broad sense the Crusades were an expression of militant Christianity and European expansion. They combined religious interests with secular and military enterprises. Christians learned to live in different cultures, which they learned and absorbed; they also imposed something of their own characteristics on these cultures. The Crusades strongly affected the imagination and aspirations of people at the time, and to this day they are among the most famous chapters of medieval history.

Islam is no better. They are still behind the times and so are their countries. I don't support or defend any dogmatic religious belief that sets out to war and kill each other. But that is the way it has always been. It is the way of the entire galaxy, and these ways have been brought to the earth by aliens beings and taught to humans who worshiped them as gods.

When will mankind wake up and learn to love and stop killing one another out of fear?

FROM YOUR SOURCE.



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Do you see the irony that YOUR SOURCE...YOURS...supports my point? Do you see the irony? Laugh with me. Let's have a nice belly laugh and then you can say "Okay, you are right" and we can drop this distasteful subject.

So now you do finally admit that Christianity carries with it a hideous past? Well if you are honest in that assertion, then we are getting somewhere. Have you ever heard me say on these forums that there has never been a bad Atheist to walk the planet earth? Stop being so silly. I am showing historically accurate information.

As far as where sources are from I don't think you will find any unbiased sources out there anywhere, even historic ones.

I think what a person has to do is read both sides of everything and ferret out the truth between the two of them. Maybe three or four sources would be a good idea, then see if you can back up what they are saying and see what these sources do agree upon.

You cannot find the truth by sticking to sources that only support your view.

Here is what I wrote to JB...


I have admitted these things repeatedly. I don't know if you haven't been reading what I've wrote or if you know what I have said and are trying to give the impression that I have been denying Christianities more sorted periods of history. I think it's dishonest and disrespectful. I think that if you have that little respect for another person that you shouldn't talk to him at all. So if you can't manage to give me credit where credit is due, then please ignore my posts.

Fair enough. Spider I challenge you to refute what I have posted.

The Crusades was a war to secure trade routes to the orient. A lot of people went because they thought they would get free pardons for their "sins". By the way, the "christians" LOST.

Another post that should get someone a warning or a ban, but I'm sure it's okay. I'm done with reporting these sorts of disgusting insults. I have no idea why so many of you feel the need to actively hate other people. I don't doubt you are good people, but I believe you are misguided. You, however, believe I am evil and that my beliefs aren't just wrong, but the source of all the worlds ills.

What is that? Quote it.

Okay everyone calm down. There should be no reporting. Let’s just get back on topic shall we? Isn’t this thread supposed to be about proving that god exists or something along those lines? It’s not about the Crusades. Any of us can go research that on our own time.

Personally the "sorted past" of Christianity is more than just a "sorted past" if you really look closely. It is a foundation of pure evil and deceit.

I would think twice before I became involved in that and tried to defend it. It looks like a loosing battle to me. How can one be sure they are not on the side of an evil force that disguises itself as good? Is that not what they claim their enemy Satan does? How do they even know they do not worship Satan pretending to be God? Do they think they are more clever than their master?

Its like a bunch of sheep who follow a goat to slaughter.

I respect you too much as a person (because I have a level of respect for all people and their beliefs) to say those sorts of hurtful things about your beliefs normally. I think your beliefs are...well...silly. I think your beliefs sound like a bad science fiction movie and as I've pointed out before there are holes that a truck can drive through. You have no basis for your beliefs other than your own imagination and books with no factual basis what-so-ever. But I keep my tongue. I don't see any value to bashing the beliefs of others. I see your posts about lizard aliens and think "I'll have to pray for her" and move on. But you constantly attack the beliefs of Christians. I think it's rude. I've attacked your beliefs in the past (and in this post) to get through to you how hateful you appear when you make these posts, but it doesn't get through. You have so many people here who encourage your bad behavior. Who egg you on to further and more heinous insults against Christians. I really think you should step back and realize that you are talking to people. You use the fact that they are "Christians" to justify behavior that isn't acceptable in any social situation.