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Topic: US blocks UN ceasfire in Gaza
Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 01:50 PM





I actually believe there are only two true Religions. Catholic and Jewish.



huh


I guess my religion doesn't count.ohwell


I dont know what it is.




Christian.

Krimsa's photo
Thu 01/08/09 01:55 PM
In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh

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Thu 01/08/09 02:03 PM
JERUSALEM – The U.N. suspended aid shipments in the Gaza Strip on Thursday and the Red Cross restricted its convoys after their trucks came under Israeli fire. The threat of a wider conflict arose when militants in Lebanon fired two rockets into northern Israel.

One rocket crashed into a retirement home, but there were no serious injuries. Israel responded with mortar shells.

The driver of the U.N. truck died immediately; another worker in the truck died later of his wounds. The truck, which came under fire in northern Gaza, was marked with the U.N. flag and insignia.

During a three-hour pause in the fighting to allow in food and fuel and let medics collect the dead, nearly three dozen bodies were found beneath the rubble of bombed out buildings in Gaza City.

Many of the dead were in the same neighborhood where the international Red Cross said rescuers discovered young children too weak to stand who had stayed by their dead mothers. The aid group accused Israel of an "unacceptable" delay in allowing workers to reach the area.

Relations between Israel and humanitarian organizations have grown increasingly tense as civilian casualties have mounted.

The United Nations demanded an inquiry this week after Israeli shells killed nearly 40 Palestinians near a U.N. school filled with Gazans. Israel said militants had launched an attack from the area, then ran into a crowd of civilians for cover.

The fourth Geneva Convention (1949) and two Additional Protocols (1977) belatedly extended protection to civilians during wartime -

* Civilians are not to be subject to attack. This includes direct attacks on civilians and indiscriminate attacks against areas in which civilians are present.


The 13-day Israeli offensive has killed about 750 Palestinians, according to Palestinian hospital officials and human rights workers. Two Israeli soldiers were killed in combat Thursday, raising the number of soldiers killed in Gaza to eight since the assault began Dec. 27. Four Israelis, including one soldier, also have been killed by rockets fired at Israeli cities.

"We've been coordinating with them (Israeli forces) and yet our staff continue to be hit and killed," said a U.N. spokesman, Chris Gunness, announcing the suspension. The U.N. is the largest aid provider in Gaza.

Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War
Article 59
If the whole or part of the population of an occupied territory is inadequately supplied, the Occupying Power shall agree to relief schemes on behalf of the said population, and shall facilitate them by all the means at its disposal.
Such schemes, which may be undertaken either by States or by impartial humanitarian organizations such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, shall consist, in particular, of the provision of consignments of foodstuffs, medical supplies and clothing.
All Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of these consignments and shall guarantee their protection.


Israeli police, meanwhile, said militants in the Gaza Strip fired 24 rockets into Israel on Thursday, injuring four people, one of them seriously. Militants fired larger numbers of rockets in the early days of the conflict.

The Israeli assault is intended to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel. But with roughly half the Palestinian dead believed to be civilians, international efforts to broker a cease-fire have been gaining steam.

Israeli envoys traveled to Egypt on Thursday to discuss the proposal being brokered by France and Egypt.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said any time lost will play into the hands of those who want war.

"The weapons must go quiet, the escalation must stop, Israel must obtain security guarantees and leave Gaza," he said in Paris.

The U.N. provides food aid to around 750,000 Gaza residents — about half of Gaza's population — and runs dozens of schools and clinics throughout the territory. They have some 9,000 local staffers in Gaza as well as a small team of international staffers.

Elena Mancusi Materi, UNRWA's spokeswoman in Geneva, said the suspension concerned all truck movement in Gaza.

"If someone comes to one of our food distribution centers, we will give that person food," she said. "If people come to our clinics with injuries, we will treat them."

For a second straight day, Israel suspended its Gaza military operation for three hours to allow in humanitarian supplies. Shortly before the pause took effect, the U.N. said one of its aid trucks came under fire from a gunner on an Israeli tank, killing the driver.

U.N. spokesman Adnan Abu Hasna said the U.N. coordinated the delivery in northern Gaza with Israel, and the vehicle was marked with a U.N. flag and insignia. The Israeli army said it was investigating.

Hasna said the truck driver died immediately and another man in the truck died later of his wounds. A third man was also injured.

In Geneva, the international Red Cross said it would restrict its aid operations to Gaza City for at least one day after one of its convoys came under Israeli fire at the Netzarim crossing during the pause in fighting Thursday. One driver was lightly injured.

Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Palestinian Health Ministry said 35 bodies were discovered Thursday during the three-hour lull in several areas around Gaza City that have seen fierce fighting between Israeli troops and Hamas militants.

He said it was unclear how many militants were killed because the remains were in poor condition, but that women and children were among the dead. Hassanain said 746 Palestinians have died in the Israeli offensive.

Many of the dead found Thursday were in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood, where the international Red Cross said it found four small children alive next to their mothers' bodies in the rubble of a home hit by Israeli shelling. The aid group says 15 dead were recovered from two houses in Zeitoun on Wednesday.

A Red Cross spokesman says rescuers had been refused permission by Israeli forces to reach the site for four days. It said the delay was "unacceptable."

GENERAL PROTECTION OF POPULATIONS

AGAINST CERTAIN CONSEQUENCES OF WAR
Article 16

The wounded and sick, as well as the infirm, and expectant mothers, shall be the object of particular protection and respect.

As far as military considerations allow, each Party to the conflict shall facilitate the steps taken to search for the killed and wounded, to assist the shipwrecked and other persons exposed to grave danger, and to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment.


The Red Cross statement was a rare public criticism from the aid group, which normally conducts confidential negotiations with warring parties.

The Israeli military said in a statement that Hamas militants used Palestinian civilians as human shields, and that Israeli forces work closely with aid groups to help civilians in Gaza.

In other Gaza violence, Israel attacks killed at least 24 Palestinians Thursday, including the U.N. driver, according to Hassanain.

The rockets from Lebanon raised the specter of renewed hostilities on Israel's northern frontier, 2 1/2 years after Israel battled the Hezbollah guerrilla group to a 34-day stalemate. War broke out between Hezbollah and Israel in 2006 as Israel battled Palestinian militants in Gaza, on Israel's southern borders.

No group claimed responsibility. Lebanon's government condemned the attack, and Hezbollah — which is now part of Lebanon's government — denied any responsibility for the rocket fire, which lightly injured two Israelis at a retirement home.

"The rocket entered through the roof, hurling the water heaters into the air. It went through bedrooms upstairs and then into the kitchen," said Henry Carmelli, the home's manager.

Israel has repeatedly said it was prepared for a possible attack on the north since it launched its campaign against Hamas militants in Gaza. Israel has mobilized thousands of reserve troops for such a scenario, and leaders have warned Hezbollah of dire consequences if it enters the fighting.

"We are prepared and will respond as necessary," Defense Minister Ehud Barak said.

The Israeli offensive has reduced Palestinian rocket fire, but not stopped it. Several barrages were reported Thursday, including one strike that damaged a school and sports center in the southern city of Ashkelon, police said. Both buildings were empty.

For Israel to accept a proposed cease-fire deal, "there has to be a total and complete cessation of all hostile fire from Gaza into Israel, and ... we have to see an arms embargo on Hamas that will receive international support," said government spokesman Mark Regev.

Hamas said it would not accept a truce deal unless it includes an end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza — something Israel says it is not willing to do. Israel and Egypt have maintained a stiff economic embargo on Gaza since the Hamas takeover in June 2007.

The Palestinian Authority controls the West Bank while Hamas rules Gaza — territories on opposite sides of Israel that are supposed to make up a future Palestinian state.

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Weizman reported from Jerusalem and Barzak from Gaza City. Associated Press writer Sam F. Ghattas contributed to this report from Beirut, Lebanon.


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All passages in blue from:

Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950



Israel signed the Geneva Conventions and is therefore bound by them. Though it doesn't seem to be doing all it can for the protection of the civilian population nor in the way of allowing aid to the civilians.



Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 02:19 PM

In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh


tears tears

t22learner's photo
Thu 01/08/09 04:14 PM
A short war won't generate many new orders for the US war corporations...

karmafury's photo
Thu 01/08/09 04:24 PM

A short war won't generate many new orders for the US war corporations...


Actually Israel now produces most of it's own armaments. Very good quality armaments too! It now exports weapons and military equipment.

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 04:29 PM


A short war won't generate many new orders for the US war corporations...


Actually Israel now produces most of it's own armaments. Very good quality armaments too! It now exports weapons and military equipment.


I read that they were even thinking about attacking Iran.
They must be doing well.

SchnaughtTrew's photo
Thu 01/08/09 04:34 PM
by the way fanta, would you be palestinian by any chance? Have you been complaining about all them rockets that those poor palestinians have been sending over the past years?? Do you complain about the women & children that they send as suicide bombers? When they stop killing their own people, then come & sympathize. I'm frankly tired of hearing them cry about the losses, when they are inflicting them upon theirselves. You find it easy to judge those who disagree with you, you tell them to go find another country well if you don't like the way things are done, why don't YOU go to another country. Stop being part of the problem, become part of the solution.frustrated

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Thu 01/08/09 04:55 PM



A short war won't generate many new orders for the US war corporations...


Actually Israel now produces most of it's own armaments. Very good quality armaments too! It now exports weapons and military equipment.


I read that they were even thinking about attacking Iran.
They must be doing well.


they prolly will, after Obama is inaugerated

I doubt Israel will do nothing and allow Iran to develop nucular technology

karmafury's photo
Thu 01/08/09 05:02 PM

by the way fanta, would you be palestinian by any chance? Have you been complaining about all them rockets that those poor palestinians have been sending over the past years?? Do you complain about the women & children that they send as suicide bombers? When they stop killing their own people, then come & sympathize. I'm frankly tired of hearing them cry about the losses, when they are inflicting them upon theirselves. You find it easy to judge those who disagree with you, you tell them to go find another country well if you don't like the way things are done, why don't YOU go to another country. Stop being part of the problem, become part of the solution.frustrated


Israeli-Palestinian Fatalities Since 2000 - Key Trends*

1) Deaths from the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Of those killed in the conflict, 4,228 have been Palestinians, 1,024 Israelis, and 63 foreign citizens. For every person killed, approximately seven were also injured.

In contrast the total number of Palestinians, both civilians and combatants killed by the Israeli security forces or Israeli individuals, remains relatively high. In 2007, for example, for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths compared to 2002 when the ratio was 1:2.5.

2) Civilian Fatalities

Most of those killed in the conflict have been civilians not involved in the fighting. Deliberately targeting civilians is strictly prohibited in international law in all circumstances: a rule which applies to all combatants whether from government armed forces or members of militia groups. Persons protected under occupation law are considered as civilians except for that period of time that they may be actively engaged in hostilities or are carrying arms.

Amongst Israelis, 69% of those killed were civilians and 31% members of the IDF. The number of Israeli civilians killed, from attacks by Palestinian armed groups or individuals, has declined steadily, peaking in 2002 at an average of 22 deaths per month, and dropping markedly to an average of one civilian per month in 2007. 6/

In contrast to Israeli figures, however, Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month.

It is considerably more difficult to distinguish precisely who amongst those Palestinians killed were civilians. Since September 2000, of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces, whose status was known 7/, 59% were civilians and 41% were engaged in hostilities at the time of their death.

3) Children

A total of 971 children have been killed in Israeli-Palestinian conflict violence, representing 18% of the total number of conflict deaths. Children are protected, in a number of legal instruments, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child, against arbitrary loss of life, even in armed conflict.

Of the overall number of children killed, 88% were Palestinian and 12 % were Israeli.The trend of child deaths mirrors the total rate: the number of Israeli children killed has declined markedly while that of Palestinian children remains high.

Palestinian children make up 20% of the total Palestinian deaths while Israeli children represent 12% of total Israeli deaths.

In 2006, 31% of the Palestinian children killed were 12 years or younger. 8/ The vast majority of children died as a result of injuries sustained either to the head, chest or to more than one place of their body. 9/



4) Location and Circumstance of Deaths The way people have died has been influenced, as shown below, by the location in which the death took place.

a) Israeli deaths

Israeli civilians are 67% more likely to be killed within Israel while security force personnel are 73% more likely to be killed in the oPt.

Israeli civilians, who died within Israel,have primarily been victims of suicide bombings, perpetrated by Palestinian militant groups. At least 402 Israeli civilians (and 58 security forces personnel) have died inside Israel as a result of suicide bombs.10/

There has been a steady decline in deaths through suicide bombing attacks against Israelis since 2002. However, 11 Israeli civilians, including four children, have died since 2004, from the 2,696 Qassam rockets fired by Palestinian armed groups from the Gaza Strip into nearby Israeli towns, particularly Sderot. 11/
Israeli civilians, most of them settlers, who were killed inside the oPt have primarily been victims of attacks by armed Palestinian groups or individuals. Since the 2005 disengagement, three IDF and no civilians have been killed inside the Gaza Strip.

Acts of terrorism, which involve the deliberate targeting of civilians,including settlers residing in the oPt, is strictly prohibited in both war and times of peace.The Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 33 prohibits all measures of intimidation or terrorism against civilians. The firing of Qassam rockets is also illegal under international law because they are directed at civilian population centres and are indiscriminate in their targeting.


b) Palestinian Deaths in the Gaza Strip

The vast majority of Palestinian deaths occurred in the Gaza Strip. In 2005, 52% of all fatalities from the Israeli- Palestinian conflict happened there. In 2006 the rate was 78%, and in 2007, 67%. (Similarly in 2005, 58% of deaths from internal violence occurred in Gaza, in 2006, 88% and in 2007, 95% of deaths.) 12/

Palestinians have been killed from Israeli military operations, targeted killings, border incidents, search and arrest operations and undercover operations. However, graphs 4 - 6 show that the circumstances in which deaths occur is different between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

Although both areas are subject to Israeli military operations, in the Gaza Strip, targeted killings, incursions and border incident are more prevalent. At least 284 Palestinians have been killed for moving within 150 metres of the perimeter fence with Israel, 117 of them civilians, including 23 children. 13/

During 2006, Israeli Security Forces fired some 14,000 artillery shells into the Gaza Strip which were responsible for killing 59 persons, almost all of them civilians. 14 In November 2006, the Government of Israel placed a moratorium on the use of artillery fire, contributing to a significant reduction of civilian deaths in 2007.

Conclusion

The right to life in both times of peace and war is protected and regulated in a number of international legal instruments.19/ The State of Israel is a party to most of those major instruments. As the Occupying Power Israel is also under a legal obligation to ensure that the provisions of those treaties, including protection and the right to life, is applied without discrimination to all those under its jurisdiction, including Palestinians in the occupied Palestinian territory. 20/

The Palestinian Authority, although not a sovereign State, has signalled its intention to abide by the Geneva Conventions, while the Palestinian Basic Law, which is a constitutive document, also stresses the importance of human rights. 21/ In addition, the State of Israel and the PLO pledged to respect human rights law in the Oslo Accords which both parties signed in 1994. 22/

To date few persons have been prosecuted for the deaths of civilians, including children, in either Israel or the oPt. 23/ When the right to life has been violated, State parties are under an obligation, according to both human rights and international humanitarian law, to investigate deaths in a prompt, impartial and thorough manner. Perpetrators must be brought to justice and where guilty an effective penal sanction must be imposed and victims afforded redress.

Accountability is essential not just in protecting the rights of victims and preventing a culture of impunity, in which further violations occur, but also to ensure the discipline, efficiency and integrity of State agents.The lack of investigations and prosecutions over killings, particularly children, suggest a lack of accountability by all parties. Greater compliance with the legal standards protecting the right to life is essential to protect the lives of all civilians in the region.



Judging from the figures I'd say that there is a marked difference between the two. Especially in civilian deaths.
Though the Palestines have launched over 4000 rocket attacks over a period of years Israel sent 14000 in just one year causing civilian casualties as well. Note that Israeli weaponry has guidance systems for targeting and that the rockets used by Hamas have noguidance systems for targeting.

The Israeli response is completely disproportionate and is collective punishment, showing an equal disregard for civilians as Hamas shows.



http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d90d845776b7af85256d08006f3ae9/be07c80cda4579468525734800500272!OpenDocument

Krimsa's photo
Thu 01/08/09 05:06 PM
for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths compared to 2002 when the ratio was 1:2.5.
noway

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 05:22 PM




A short war won't generate many new orders for the US war corporations...


Actually Israel now produces most of it's own armaments. Very good quality armaments too! It now exports weapons and military equipment.


I read that they were even thinking about attacking Iran.
They must be doing well.


they prolly will, after Obama is inaugerated

I doubt Israel will do nothing and allow Iran to develop nucular technology


So then there will be Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel/Palestine, Iran, Lebanon fired on Israel, and we're keeping our eye on somebody else.

Is that all?scared

We're going to be spread too thin.

madisonman's photo
Thu 01/08/09 05:35 PM





A short war won't generate many new orders for the US war corporations...


Actually Israel now produces most of it's own armaments. Very good quality armaments too! It now exports weapons and military equipment.


I read that they were even thinking about attacking Iran.
They must be doing well.


they prolly will, after Obama is inaugerated

I doubt Israel will do nothing and allow Iran to develop nucular technology


So then there will be Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel/Palestine, Iran, Lebanon fired on Israel, and we're keeping our eye on somebody else.

Is that all?scared

We're going to be spread too thin.
If Isael goes after Iran it will be a deliberate attempt to destroy our country, look what two other wars have done to our economy. It will be the end for sure

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:29 PM

In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh


Do Pagans believe in Hell?laugh

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:42 PM


In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh


Do Pagans believe in Hell?laugh


I'm not a pagan.grumble

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:44 PM



In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh


Do Pagans believe in Hell?laugh


I'm not a pagan.grumble


Show me!
Show me where I said anyone was going to hell!:angry:

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:46 PM




In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh


Do Pagans believe in Hell?laugh


I'm not a pagan.grumble


Show me!
Show me where I said anyone was going to hell!:angry:


You asked if Pagans believe in hell. I said that I wasn't one.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:14 PM
I didnt ask you.
Is that your quote?

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:26 PM

I didnt ask you.
Is that your quote?


She was talking about me.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:34 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 01/08/09 11:35 PM
But I wasn't winx!

Go back and read. Back to the point where I was called an anti-Semite.
I defended myself with an explanation. You jumped into the fray with all syllables firing!

I never said anyone was going to hell.
That was Krimsa the pagan talking!

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