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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/30/country_facts/main3220962.shtml http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_ARE.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/737620.stm http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html I'm absolutely sure that you *think* you are making a point. So let me explain why you are not. I was talking about Palestine under Israeli control...between 1967 and 1980(?). You are showing statistics from TODAY, not 1967 to 1980. The statistics today are meaningless to the conversation of the standard of living in another time period. When Israel controlled Palestine, Israel had the 21st highest standard of living. On the Human Development reports website you linked, they are #23 (ahead of the UAE). When Israel controlled Palestine, Palestine was treated as part of Israel. They had nearly the same standard of living (it was slightly lower due to infrastructure). Under Israeli rule, Palestine had the highest standard of living of any Arab nation (even though they are not a nation). I was VERY specific, I said before the PLO took over in Palestine. So why would you think that looking at today's statistics would be historically accurate? Israel is an Illegal State formed by terrorism and run by terrorists! Ignore the facts if you want but the truth is the truth! |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/30/country_facts/main3220962.shtml http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_ARE.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/737620.stm http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html I'm absolutely sure that you *think* you are making a point. So let me explain why you are not. I was talking about Palestine under Israeli control...between 1967 and 1980(?). You are showing statistics from TODAY, not 1967 to 1980. The statistics today are meaningless to the conversation of the standard of living in another time period. When Israel controlled Palestine, Israel had the 21st highest standard of living. On the Human Development reports website you linked, they are #23 (ahead of the UAE). When Israel controlled Palestine, Palestine was treated as part of Israel. They had nearly the same standard of living (it was slightly lower due to infrastructure). Under Israeli rule, Palestine had the highest standard of living of any Arab nation (even though they are not a nation). I was VERY specific, I said before the PLO took over in Palestine. So why would you think that looking at today's statistics would be historically accurate? Israel is an Illegal State formed by terrorism and run by terrorists! Ignore the facts if you want but the truth is the truth! I'm glad that I live in a country that allows even the most delusional members of our society to have their freedom of speech. To those who have a grip on reality (please look away Fanta): The UN formed Israel. They are a UN member state. The land they are on belonged to the Turks until 1922. Israel has as much right to exist as any other nation on the planet. |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/30/country_facts/main3220962.shtml http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_ARE.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/737620.stm http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html I'm absolutely sure that you *think* you are making a point. So let me explain why you are not. I was talking about Palestine under Israeli control...between 1967 and 1980(?). You are showing statistics from TODAY, not 1967 to 1980. The statistics today are meaningless to the conversation of the standard of living in another time period. When Israel controlled Palestine, Israel had the 21st highest standard of living. On the Human Development reports website you linked, they are #23 (ahead of the UAE). When Israel controlled Palestine, Palestine was treated as part of Israel. They had nearly the same standard of living (it was slightly lower due to infrastructure). Under Israeli rule, Palestine had the highest standard of living of any Arab nation (even though they are not a nation). I was VERY specific, I said before the PLO took over in Palestine. So why would you think that looking at today's statistics would be historically accurate? A post got between our posts. You were saying that they had the highest standard of living of any Arab country. I was showing sites that show the countries with the highest standards. They're not on there. |
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A post got between our posts. You were saying that they had the highest standard of living of any Arab country. I was showing sites that show the countries with the highest standards. They're not on there. Winx, You have to actually read what I post, okay? Before Arafat and the PLO took over, Palestine had the highest standard of living of any Arab country. BEFORE. As in "In the past". Your statistics are from 2007/2008. |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/30/country_facts/main3220962.shtml http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_ARE.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/737620.stm http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html I'm absolutely sure that you *think* you are making a point. So let me explain why you are not. I was talking about Palestine under Israeli control...between 1967 and 1980(?). You are showing statistics from TODAY, not 1967 to 1980. The statistics today are meaningless to the conversation of the standard of living in another time period. When Israel controlled Palestine, Israel had the 21st highest standard of living. On the Human Development reports website you linked, they are #23 (ahead of the UAE). When Israel controlled Palestine, Palestine was treated as part of Israel. They had nearly the same standard of living (it was slightly lower due to infrastructure). Under Israeli rule, Palestine had the highest standard of living of any Arab nation (even though they are not a nation). I was VERY specific, I said before the PLO took over in Palestine. So why would you think that looking at today's statistics would be historically accurate? Israel is an Illegal State formed by terrorism and run by terrorists! Ignore the facts if you want but the truth is the truth! I'm glad that I live in a country that allows even the most delusional members of our society to have their freedom of speech. To those who have a grip on reality (please look away Fanta): The UN formed Israel. They are a UN member state. The land they are on belonged to the Turks until 1922. Israel has as much right to exist as any other nation on the planet. As you should. Otherwise you would not be allowed free speech spidey! |
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Begin's notoriety may be found in an extraordinary career that spanned terrorism to statesmanship to winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Many believe that the attacks carried out under Begin's leadership of a Jewish militia, the Irgun, helped hasten the British withdrawal from mandate Palestine, and the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel.
The labeling of Begin as a terrorist is based on his activities against the British government in Palestine in the mid-1940s. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it was the British who first labeled Begin a terrorist. This label lost much of its force in the late 1970s, when Begin became Israel's prime minister. Today, whether he was a terrorist or not is still debated. http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/MenachemBegin.htm |
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Objectives:
To eliminate the British presence in Palestine and establish an independent Jewish state. Begin's goals make sense in their historical context, the 1940s in Palestine (today the state of Israel and the Palestinian territories). At that time, Palestine was a quasi-independent British colony, known as a "Mandate." It was peopled by Palestinian Arabs and by an increasing number of European Jews. Some Jews came because they were ideologically committed to a Jewish state, and others came fleeing Nazism as it spread through Europe. Zionist leaders held different ideas about how to achieve their goal. Revisionist Zionists, like Begin, were extremist nationalists who believed violence was justified to create a state. Begin was focused primarily on getting the British to withdraw their troops from Palestine, and considered guerrilla and terrorist tactics a legitimate route toward this end. |
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The Irgun, a Zionist militia, carried out these attacks while it was under Begin's command:
February 1944: Bombing of the immigration offices run by the British authorities. Three simultaneous attacks carried out against office branches in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa symbolized the anger of the Irgun over the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration. There were no casualties. July 1946: The King David Hotel explosion. The Jerusalem luxury hotel was serving as the home of the British military command and government administration. The strike leveled the building and killed 91 people. |
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Organizational Affiliations:
Begin, in the period of his life dedicated to guerrilla activities, was affiliated with an organization called the Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization), which he led from 1944 until 1948. Revisionist Zionists who believed that a militant attitude and terrorist activities were legitimate ways to achieve their political objectives founded the Irgun in 1931. They may be seen in much the same light as other groups who have used terrorist tactics to oust a foreign occupier. |
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Israel is an Illegal State formed by terrorism and run by terrorists!
Ignore the facts if you want but the truth is the truth! |
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Palestine never had a high standard of living and they have never been anything but occupied by Israel!
Talk about delusional!! 
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Edited by
madisonman
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Tue 01/06/09 12:29 PM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/30/country_facts/main3220962.shtml http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_ARE.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/country_profiles/737620.stm http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html So let me explain why you are not. I was talking about Palestine under Israeli control...between 1967 and 1980(?). You are showing statistics from TODAY, not 1967 to 1980. The statistics today are meaningless to the conversation of the standard of living in another time period. When Israel controlled Palestine, Israel had the 21st highest standard of living. On the Human Development reports website you linked, they are #23 (ahead of the UAE). When Israel controlled Palestine, Palestine was treated as part of Israel. They had nearly the same standard of living (it was slightly lower due to infrastructure). Under Israeli rule, Palestine had the highest standard of living of any Arab nation (even though they are not a nation). I was VERY specific, I said before the PLO took over in Palestine. So why would you think that looking at today's statistics would be historically accurate? A post got between our posts. You were saying that they had the highest standard of living of any Arab country. I was showing sites that show the countries with the highest standards. They're not on there. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Tue 01/06/09 01:15 PM
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US financial support to Israel is about 1% of Israel's GDP Israel is an independent country and will take care of herself. Our ally certainly, worthy of our support and commitment - absolutely financially, diplomatically, morally. Egypt, PA and Jordan receive a similar amount of US aid.
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Why does the U.S. give them financial support?
I understand if we help starving people during a famine in Africa but I don't understand why we do it for Israel. |
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Edited by
karmafury
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Tue 01/06/09 02:50 PM
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To those who have a grip on reality (please look away Fanta): The UN formed Israel. They are a UN member state. The land they are on belonged to the Turks until 1922. Israel has as much right to exist as any other nation on the planet.
The League of Nations formed the British Protectorate of Palestine, not Israel. The British also had to form an agency to administer Jewish affairs in Palestine. Immigration of Jews to Palestine was controlled so as not to prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing Arab population. Arab attacks on Jewish settlements and the ineffective British response led to formation of the Haganah from which Irgun split off finding that the Haganah wasn't 'forceful' enough. And this prior to WW2. Fanta though your information on Menachim Begin is correct he was the last commander of Irgun. Their history begins before him. |
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Why does the U.S. give them financial support? I understand if we help starving people during a famine in Africa but I don't understand why we do it for Israel. They are our only ally in the Middle East. At least the only one we can count on all the time. |
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Good! Maybe the UN might want to hold those nations accountable for the backward ways they allow people to live (in ignorance & poverty) that is causing this irrational hatred & terror killings like a bunch of uncivilized peasants. It sickens me to see it. If I had to put up with the **** the Palestinians have to put up with everyday I would be acting like an uncivilized peasant too
Right. Its unfathomable to me. If by being an "uncivilized peasant" you are referring to a bunch of Palestinian kids throwing rocks at Israeli tanks, then I guess this was all warranted.  
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To those who have a grip on reality (please look away Fanta): The UN formed Israel. They are a UN member state. The land they are on belonged to the Turks until 1922. Israel has as much right to exist as any other nation on the planet.
The League of Nations formed the British Protectorate of Palestine, not Israel. The British also had to form an agency to administer Jewish affairs in Palestine. Immigration of Jews to Palestine was controlled so as not to prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing Arab population. Arab attacks on Jewish settlements and the ineffective British response led to formation of the Haganah from which Irgun split off finding that the Haganah wasn't 'forceful' enough. And this prior to WW2. Fanta though your information on Menachim Begin is correct he was the last commander of Irgun. Their history begins before him. Oh Really,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LMAO |
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