if they put hamas in power, and hamas keeps attacking, as sad as it is; (the hurting of the so called innocent) then they need to remove hamas from power.

they had an election they voted them in they knew what their politics were, now they are living and dieing with their choice; yes it is sad, but actions have consequences.

Well, I listened to news radio this morning. It seems that Israel is taking care of business fine by themselves. They are in Gaza and other places. Sadly, they've killed a lot of civilians.

If you are Christian or Jew... you can kill in the name of God and everything is justified thru the Bible.

Israel doesn't belong there.

The Palestinians voted them in and then the West immediately withheld aid from them.
The West then went about helping to place a puppet Gov in place instead! Causing an uprising and Hamas taking power in Gaza. Fatah survived in the West Bank!
Ever since Fatah has received aid while the Democratically elected Palestinian Gov and the people of Gaza gave been effectively locked down, as if imprisoned!

Any reports you hear or read are fed to the press by Israeli sources.
Israel has refused all Journalists from access to Gaza!
What you hear is what they want you to hear!
Come on winx. You know how this works!!

They don't want comfort, they want blood. If they had loved their children, they wouldn't have elected a terrorist organization to rule them. If they loved their children, they wouldn't teach them to hate Israel. If they loved their children, they wouldn't allow their homes to be used to launch rockets at Israel.

Hamas is currently committing three war crimes on a daily basis.

1) They target Israeli civilians.
2) They use Palestinian civilians as human shields.
3) They are trying to destroy Israel (a member state of the United Nations)

Hamas has been firing rockets at Israel for the past six months. They are deliberately targeting civilians. I think the Israeli blockade is justified when they are under constant attack.

Oh and what happened when they opened up the blockade to send in food and medicine and fuel? Hamas started firing rockets at the check points.

I was hearing about Palestine civilians dying in the hallways of the hospital while waiting for surgery.

All the more reasone to put UN peace keepers on the job, they will watch both sides and put an end to the slaughter!

Like they did in Rowanda? Like they are doing in the Congo and Darfur? Oh, that's right. The UN peace keepers are raping children in the Congo and doing absolutely nothing in Darfur and simply watched the Rowandans being massacred.

But don't let the facts get in your way, it sounds like you have a plan!

Have you tried reading the book "The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda" by Lt-Gen. Romeo Dallaire? Or "Shake Hands with the Devil" by same author? They are very good reads on Rwanda. In 1994, General Dallaire commanded the United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda (UNAMIR).

The problem is that Peacekeepers are constrained to follows Rules of Engagement. They cannot initiate fire, can only return fire if they are under direct fire (as opposed to protecting others who are under fire). Congo and Darfur I haven't heard anything like that but I will look.

Now try some of the more successful UN missions.I'm sure that you can find some as they far outnumber the negative missions. Cypress being one example.

So how can they help? We already know that the Palestinians are firing rockets at Israeli citizens, what good would come from having some UN "peacekeepers" stand there and say "Look at those rockets."?

the civilian casualties are horrendous but it is amazing given that hamas operates by preference in heavily populated areas that 350 out of the 400 killed are hamas soldiers.

the israelis have gone to great lengths to spare innocent lives and they deserve credit for that at least.

remember that hamas could surrender at any time and end it.

Now since hamas has not stopped firing rockets and surrendered, the israelis have had to go in on the ground and the fraction of civilian casualties is rising now estimated by some news sources as 25% but still hamas sickeningly hides behind the Gazans and urges them to resistance. hamas has no more regard for palestinian lives than they do for israelis.

ask Mossab Hasan Yousef

from a yahoo news report:

<<Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar exhorted Palestinians to fight the Israeli forces and target Israeli civilians and Jews abroad.

"The Zionists have legitimized the killing of their children by killing our children. They have legitimized the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people," Zahar said in a grainy video broadcast on Hamas TV. >>

Change the Rules of Engagement. It's been done.

Those were the Rules of Engagement in Rwanda, and are for many of the missions. When the Rules of Engagement allow for the Peacekeepers to take action to protect populace opposing sides tend to play by the rules.

You think I care what a bunch of lunatic terrorists think or their corrupt oppressive govts.? They are the only thugs I know.

BTW...I could care less what the rest of the world thought. Sometimes integrity has to stand alone...especially in these days when so many vile people are running things.

What would your Jesus say to that?

WINX...these people are not innocent civilians...they are militants hiding in civilian clothing. Like wolves in sheep clothing.

What would Jesus say?

NPR News was talking about hospitals with children lying in the hallways before they made it to surgery. They are children! A family of 7 died too. The hospitals are filled beyond capacity.

I do not normally copy/paste entire articles however......






Warnings Not Enough for Gaza Families


By TAGHREED EL-KHODARY and ISABEL KERSHNER
Published: January 5, 2009

GAZA — The Samouni family knew they were in danger. They had been calling the Red Cross for two days, they said, begging to be taken out of Zeitoun, a poor area in eastern Gaza City that is considered a stronghold of Hamas.
No rescuers came. Instead, Israeli soldiers entered their building late Sunday night and told them to evacuate to another building. They did. But at 6 a.m. on Monday, when a missile fired by an Israeli warplane struck the relatives’ house in which they had taken shelter, there was nowhere to run.
Eleven members of the extended Samouni family were killed and 26 wounded, according to witnesses and hospital officials, with five children age 4 and under among the dead.

Hundreds of members of the clan flooded in to Shifa Hospital, all from Zeitoun, many in shock. Masouda al-Samouni, 20, lost her mother-in-law, her husband and her 10-month-old son. She said she had been preparing food for the baby when the missile struck. “He died hungry,” she said.
Ten days into Israel’s offensive against Hamas, the militant Islamic group that governs Gaza, the civilian toll was rising alongside that of the militants.

As the fighting closed in on the city, Gazans began accusing Israel of deliberately aiming at civilians, to turn them against Hamas. Israel blames Hamas, saying it focuses the battle in the densely populated areas of this narrow, crowded coastal strip and uses residents as shields.

“We have no intention of harming civilians,” said Maj. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman. Hamas “cynically uses” civilians by operating in their midst, she said, adding, “Sometimes there can be situations where civilians get hurt.”

Israel began its campaign on Dec. 27 with the primary intention of breaking Hamas’s military infrastructure and its ability to launch rockets at southern Israel. About 550 Palestinians have been killed so far, medical officials in Gaza said, with at least a quarter of them civilians, according to the United Nations. Hospital officials in Gaza said that at least 93 people had been killed and more than 370 wounded since Saturday, when Israeli ground forces joined the campaign.
In the crowded Shati refugee camp, near the coast, another family was wiped out early Monday when a shell fired from a navy ship hit their house while they slept.

In the Tuffah district, another poor neighborhood of Gaza City, the Israelis fired tank shells into a house, witnesses said. A neighbor drove Mumin Alawi, 13, to the hospital. When Muhammad Alawi, Mumin’s father, came looking for his son and found that the boy had died, he was beside himself and wanted to jump from a balcony, until relatives held him back.

“He died a martyr,” said Muhammad’s mother. “At least this body is whole.”

A Red Cross official in Gaza said there had been many cries for help. In the case of the Samouni family, she said, the organization was told by the Israelis that it would be too dangerous to go into the Zeitoun neighborhood.

A study about to be published in Israel by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, an independent research group that has close ties to the Israeli military establishment and is supported by the American Jewish Congress, presents Hamas as having methodically built its military infrastructure in the heart of population centers.

The study presents photographs of militants manufacturing and storing weapons inside houses and of Israeli soldiers finding weapons hidden in a mosque in northern Gaza during a military incursion in March 2008.

Hamas not only hides among the population, the study contends, but has made a main component of its combat strategy “channeling” the army into the most densely populated areas to fight — a model that is now playing out.
Shireen Shihab, 30, a resident of Gaza City, said Monday that she had seen Hamas fighters firing rockets toward Israel from a site two blocks away from her home. She said she and others could not express any opposition for fear of being labeled spies.

Ms. Shihab, a former supporter of Fatah, the secularist rival of Hamas, said that the Israelis and their pro-Western Palestinian allies from Fatah were “using the people,” killing them to make Hamas pay a price.

Among the survivors of the Samouni family, opinions were divided. Some blessed the resistance. But Hamada Al-Samouni, 28, who was lightly wounded by the Israeli rocket and was clearly still in shock, said this was all happening “because of the rockets” fired by Hamas.

He said he had seen the bodies of eight Hamas fighters dressed in civilian clothing lying in the streets around Zeitoun. They had been lying there for two days and nobody had come to collect them, he said.

Taghreed El-Khodary reported from Gaza City, and Isabel Kershner from Jerusalem.



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No innocent civilians huh?

This is how martyrs and future terrorists are created. You give a people a reason to want revenge!