Topic: US blocks UN ceasfire in Gaza
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Sat 01/10/09 06:05 AM

Well he cant be any worse than Bush. Im hoping for the best out of Obama.
I do too. He is only human. I think people understand whats has happened and know its a long fix. We need to bring the US back to the US and worry about our own!!!

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Sat 01/10/09 10:13 AM




those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Sat 01/10/09 10:21 AM
Edited by Unknow on Sat 01/10/09 10:23 AM





those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I beleive we have enough to deal with right here. Its time we put our own first.

Iraq is going to end up just like it did before. We will create it and then it will bite us in the azz and we are right back where we were. Do you honestly see us leaving Iraq and it not doing so?

Afghanistan was started and then left on the back burner. Do you honestly see us winning there? You might want to ask Russia about that considering they tried even at the height of their power!!

Winx's photo
Sat 01/10/09 10:48 AM






those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I beleive we have enough to deal with right here. Its time we put our own first.

Iraq is going to end up just like it did before. We will create it and then it will bite us in the azz and we are right back where we were. Do you honestly see us leaving Iraq and it not doing so?

Afghanistan was started and then left on the back burner. Do you honestly see us winning there? You might want to ask Russia about that considering they tried even at the height of their power!!


Hey, Temp, where ya been?waving

Enough on our plate? Do you mean Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel/Gaza, Lebanon shot at Israel, and we're looking at somebody else too? I could have left somebody out. Is that enough?!

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Sat 01/10/09 11:22 AM







those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I beleive we have enough to deal with right here. Its time we put our own first.

Iraq is going to end up just like it did before. We will create it and then it will bite us in the azz and we are right back where we were. Do you honestly see us leaving Iraq and it not doing so?

Afghanistan was started and then left on the back burner. Do you honestly see us winning there? You might want to ask Russia about that considering they tried even at the height of their power!!


Hey, Temp, where ya been?waving

Enough on our plate? Do you mean Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel/Gaza, Lebanon shot at Israel, and we're looking at somebody else too? I could have left somebody out. Is that enough?!
Trying to keep my job in this mess. Seems like all they want is for me to give back. Keep going I wont have anything to give...flowerforyou flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 01/10/09 11:38 AM
:cry: The poor children of Gaza have not had water for 10 days.:cry:

huh Why are the Israelis attacking children?huh

Winx's photo
Sat 01/10/09 04:56 PM








those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I beleive we have enough to deal with right here. Its time we put our own first.

Iraq is going to end up just like it did before. We will create it and then it will bite us in the azz and we are right back where we were. Do you honestly see us leaving Iraq and it not doing so?

Afghanistan was started and then left on the back burner. Do you honestly see us winning there? You might want to ask Russia about that considering they tried even at the height of their power!!


Hey, Temp, where ya been?waving

Enough on our plate? Do you mean Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel/Gaza, Lebanon shot at Israel, and we're looking at somebody else too? I could have left somebody out. Is that enough?!
Trying to keep my job in this mess. Seems like all they want is for me to give back. Keep going I wont have anything to give...flowerforyou flowerforyou


Hope you're able to keep your job.flowerforyou

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Sat 01/10/09 05:03 PM









those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I beleive we have enough to deal with right here. Its time we put our own first.

Iraq is going to end up just like it did before. We will create it and then it will bite us in the azz and we are right back where we were. Do you honestly see us leaving Iraq and it not doing so?

Afghanistan was started and then left on the back burner. Do you honestly see us winning there? You might want to ask Russia about that considering they tried even at the height of their power!!


Hey, Temp, where ya been?waving

Enough on our plate? Do you mean Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel/Gaza, Lebanon shot at Israel, and we're looking at somebody else too? I could have left somebody out. Is that enough?!
Trying to keep my job in this mess. Seems like all they want is for me to give back. Keep going I wont have anything to give...flowerforyou flowerforyou


Hope you're able to keep your job.flowerforyou
Yea I still got it and wont lose it. Just more traveling. Im just tired of working my azz off and not seeing even a cost of living raise. I guess I should feel lucky compared to 5 million plus people who lost theirs. 2011 cant come soon enough...flowerforyou flowerforyou

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Sun 01/11/09 12:42 PM






those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors


And which of those countries are going to leave their UN peace keeping troops in Gaza to hunt down Hamas terrorists, and to face the same type attacks from Hamas that the US troops faced in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or do you just want the UN troops to protect Hamas from Israel, while Hamas continues to launch rockets at civilian targets in Israel?

I hate to be cynical, but the only nations likely to support a serious peace keeping mission in Gaza are the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Personally I do not want the USA to send a bunch of soldiers to fight in Gaza, we have enough to deal with in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I beleive we have enough to deal with right here. Its time we put our own first.

Iraq is going to end up just like it did before. We will create it and then it will bite us in the azz and we are right back where we were. Do you honestly see us leaving Iraq and it not doing so?

Afghanistan was started and then left on the back burner. Do you honestly see us winning there? You might want to ask Russia about that considering they tried even at the height of their power!!


That is my point. The USA has enough going on, that we don't need to invade Gaza while wearing UN uniforms.

And if we do not invade Gaza wearing UN uniforms, who is going to go there and fight Hamas?

What is the point of the UN resolution, if there is not anyone willing to enforce the UN resolution? If the USA voted for the resolution, we would be obligated to enforce it.

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Sun 01/11/09 12:43 PM

:cry: The poor children of Gaza have not had water for 10 days.:cry:

huh Why are the Israelis attacking children?huh


The Israeli's are not attacking children, but Hamas, is using children as human shields in the locations they are launching rockets at Israel.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/11/09 12:45 PM


:cry: The poor children of Gaza have not had water for 10 days.:cry:

huh Why are the Israelis attacking children?huh


The Israeli's are not attacking children, but Hamas, is using children as human shields in the locations they are launching rockets at Israel.


You are looking at about a 1:25 ratio here between dead Palestinians vs. dead Israelis.

Winx's photo
Sun 01/11/09 01:08 PM
At least 820 Palestinians, roughly half of them civilians, have been killed.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:18 PM

:cry: The poor children of Gaza have not had water for 10 days.:cry:

huh Why are the Israelis attacking children?huh

that's crap.Israel has allowed food and medicine to go thru.
Israel is a small country defending itself.Its surrounded by countries that house terrorists and have vowed to wipe it off the map.Yes atrocities have happened but this is war not girl scout camp.While I would love to see peace come to the region,I believe Israel is doing the right thing.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:20 PM



:cry: The poor children of Gaza have not had water for 10 days.:cry:

huh Why are the Israelis attacking children?huh


The Israeli's are not attacking children, but Hamas, is using children as human shields in the locations they are launching rockets at Israel.


You are looking at about a 1:25 ratio here between dead Palestinians vs. dead Israelis.

Hamas is getting what it wants.Sympathy while usung it's own people as shields.Sad.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:27 PM
As a mental exercise, let each of us decide at exactly how many deaths the scale tips from the Israeli side to the Palestinian side, at what point an incursion becomes a slaughter, at what point a slaughter becomes a massacre, at what point a massacre becomes a genocide.

This is all very important, PR-wise. For eleven days, IDF soldiers have been preventing journalists, medics, rescue teams and aid convoys from entering Jenin. This is how they "protect" the truth inside from all those outside who might want to "misuse" it against Israel.

After all, the truth is such a terrible weapon. It would be wrong to allow one side to have more of it than the other. There must be balance. But only regarding the truth. There need not be balance in firepower, for example. It is O.K. that Israel has nuclear weapons and Apache helicopters, paid for by American taxpayers who can't afford to pay for adequate health care, while Palestinians fight with rifles and home-made explosives.


cutelildevilsmom's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:30 PM

As a mental exercise, let each of us decide at exactly how many deaths the scale tips from the Israeli side to the Palestinian side, at what point an incursion becomes a slaughter, at what point a slaughter becomes a massacre, at what point a massacre becomes a genocide.

This is all very important, PR-wise. For eleven days, IDF soldiers have been preventing journalists, medics, rescue teams and aid convoys from entering Jenin. This is how they "protect" the truth inside from all those outside who might want to "misuse" it against Israel.

After all, the truth is such a terrible weapon. It would be wrong to allow one side to have more of it than the other. There must be balance. But only regarding the truth. There need not be balance in firepower, for example. It is O.K. that Israel has nuclear weapons and Apache helicopters, paid for by American taxpayers who can't afford to pay for adequate health care, while Palestinians fight with rifles and home-made explosives.



well when peace was within reach when Arafat was around,the prime minister of Israel was assasinated so I think Israel has a right to be upset as should the Palestinian people who did not elect terrorists to run their government.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:32 PM
The post stands.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:34 PM

The post stands.

:thumbsup:

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:36 PM
There need not be balance about land either. It is O.K. that Israelis control all the land and Palestinians none.

Nor is balance a requirement regarding liberty, or human rights, which Israelis enjoy and Palestinians do not. But there must be balance in describing what happened in Jenin.

That is why accuracy is very important in Jenin. Was it exactly a "massacre," as Perez called it and then denied, or a "devastation," or just an "incursion" that used "minimal force" to achieve "necessary goals," such as showing Palestinians who's the boss and what you get for upsetting him? If you use too strong a word, if you match the expression to the stench of the decomposing bodies, Israel will reprimand you, brand you an anti-Semite, maybe even expel you. Be forewarned.


HasidicEnforcer's photo
Sun 01/11/09 02:45 PM

:cry: The poor children of Gaza have not had water for 10 days.:cry:

huh Why are the Israelis attacking children?huh


they are not. the children are suffering because of the Hamas' game.

Israel has committed to a 3 hour cease-fire daily to get aid to the families.

Hamas has used children and women as shields for a very long time.

You are just now starting to see this.

Why do you think Israelis USED to attack businesses at night?

Because the women and children would be home in bed asleep.

But Hamas has moved their headquarters inside schools, knowing Israel would not attack a school.

Israel does not WANT to attack or hurt children.

But what human uses their sons and raises them to strap bombs to their chest and blow up a school bus?

What parent trains their child to shoot at other people?

Look at the difference between Israeli children at play and Palestinian children at play.

I have been there. I have yet to see mass of children playing with toy guns (or real guns for that matter) in Israel.

However, I have seen tons of the Arabic children throwing their guns in the air and shouting and taunting the Israeli soldiers that stood guard at checkpoints.

Mirror, how could you assume that Israel would attack the children?


"We can forgive you for killing our sons, but we can never forgive you for making us kill yours"

Golda Meir, prior to peace talks with Anwar Sadat.