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Topic: US blocks UN ceasfire in Gaza
Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:35 PM

But I wasn't winx!

Go back and read. Back to the point where I was called an anti-Semite.
I defended myself with an explanation. You jumped into the fray with all syllables firing!

I never said anyone was going to hell.
That was the pagan talking!


I never said that you said anybody was going to hell, Fanta.laugh

All syllables firing? I didn't see that.:wink:

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:37 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 01/08/09 11:38 PM
I didnt bring religion into this. The Jews did.

Its about right and wrong to me.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:40 PM
Its about factual history and mythical propaganda!

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:41 PM
Its about terrorist calling others terrorists!

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/09/09 03:41 AM


In that case Winx, you are bound for hell because Fanta thinks there are only two true paths and that would be Catholicism and Judaism. laugh


Do Pagans believe in Hell?laugh


No they dont, nor a devil. Look, you brought this up with your ridiculous statement that there are only "two true paths". Did you actually think you could say something like that and not be called on it? noway

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/09/09 04:38 AM
Fanta said:

That was Krimsa the pagan talking!


And how do you presume to know I am Pagan? Thats quite an assumption on your part isnt it? huh

Fanta46's photo
Fri 01/09/09 08:25 AM




Do you really consider Pagan spirituality a religion?huh


Eh, I guess I should have said Christian religion!



Cool!
So what do Pagans think about the situation with Israel and Palestine?


I dont speak for all Pagans. You would need to ask each individual on that. I feel a degree of sympathy for the Palestinians however and living under this occupation. Its got to stop.


Your admission????
Go figure........

It is irrelevant to me..
I was just pointing out your contradictions. Since you felt the need to put words in my mouth!

Fanta46's photo
Fri 01/09/09 08:26 AM
Now back to the State of Israel!

Modern day Israel is an illegal terrorist state,. Formed through the use of terrorism and led by terrorists!

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/09/09 08:28 AM
What contradiction did I make? huh

madisonman's photo
Fri 01/09/09 06:33 PM
Edited by madisonman on Fri 01/09/09 06:35 PM
I've said it on many occasions and I'll say it again. Israel could not exist without a new war, a new enemy or, in a pinch like today, an old enemy. The invasion and mass murder of the helpless residents of the Gaza ghetto will guarantee a whole new crop of "terrorists" for future wars. It's not about getting them to stop (and they could with sincere peace talks). It's about getting them to keep firing those same ineffective rockets! Remember Israel started this round. Before a single bottle rocket flew, they sealed the border and cut off all normal supplies, both of which are war crimes. Do Jews call the fighters inside the Warsaw ghetto terrorists for resisting the Germans? They do not. Funny thing that, eh? Since before it's founding in 1948 Israel has been stealing everything in sight and murdering innocent men, women and children by the tens of thousands in a war that has continued to this day. Without this constant siege mentality Israel would soon crumble to dust with most Israelis moving elsewhere. Their whole economy is based on a constant state of war. Their armaments industry dwarfs all other Israeli businesses combined! It's a self-perpetuating machine, just like the one Ike warned us about! I wonder if we taught them or they taught us? America, too, is in an endless war and the armament industry is our largest employer. Which came first folks, the chicken or the egg? Of course, as nations, we did. Lincoln warned us in 1864... "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/

Fanta46's photo
Fri 01/09/09 10:37 PM

I've said it on many occasions and I'll say it again. Israel could not exist without a new war, a new enemy or, in a pinch like today, an old enemy. The invasion and mass murder of the helpless residents of the Gaza ghetto will guarantee a whole new crop of "terrorists" for future wars. It's not about getting them to stop (and they could with sincere peace talks). It's about getting them to keep firing those same ineffective rockets! Remember Israel started this round. Before a single bottle rocket flew, they sealed the border and cut off all normal supplies, both of which are war crimes. Do Jews call the fighters inside the Warsaw ghetto terrorists for resisting the Germans? They do not. Funny thing that, eh? Since before it's founding in 1948 Israel has been stealing everything in sight and murdering innocent men, women and children by the tens of thousands in a war that has continued to this day. Without this constant siege mentality Israel would soon crumble to dust with most Israelis moving elsewhere. Their whole economy is based on a constant state of war. Their armaments industry dwarfs all other Israeli businesses combined! It's a self-perpetuating machine, just like the one Ike warned us about! I wonder if we taught them or they taught us? America, too, is in an endless war and the armament industry is our largest employer. Which came first folks, the chicken or the egg? Of course, as nations, we did. Lincoln warned us in 1864... "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/


drinker

no photo
Fri 01/09/09 10:45 PM


There already was a ceasefire for a period of time and it was broken over and over again. What good would a new one do? NOTHING.
An end to the slaughter. simple. You forget Israel had a 2 month blockade of gaza stopping foods, and fuels and mediciens. They somewhat provoked it. get real.


Egypt borders Gaza, if Israel's blockade was wrong, they could have provided the supplies.

Do you hold Egypt responsible for their support of Israel's blockade, or is Israel the only bad guy?

no photo
Fri 01/09/09 10:46 PM


those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?


karmafury's photo
Sat 01/10/09 04:00 AM



those ceasefires work well with vietnam didn't they; the north sure liked them, let them regroup. if they would quit poking them with a stick maybe they would not be getting hit with a boulder.
Dont ya think th UN could put some blue helmets on the ground with a mandate that wasnt vetoed by our government? The Israelis do not want the UN there to witness the slaughter that is unfolding. They want to do what they want the way they want and t he hell with international law. Our country aids them we are the axis of evil


Besides the USA is there any other country with the ability and willingness to provide such UN peace keeping troops?






US PERSONNEL CONTRIBUTIONS TO UN PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS
AS OF 31 JULY 2005

While the United States participates in peace operations worldwide, it provides few troops to the 16 current United Nations (UN) peacekeeping
operations. US personnel serve primarily as civilian police and military observers in six UN peacekeeping operations, with almost 80 percent of them posted in
Kosovo. At the end of July, 106 nations were contributing 67,392 personnel to these UN operations; half of one percent was US personnel. This chart highlights
US contributions and captures the number of personnel volunteered by UN member states to serve as troops, civilian police and military observers in UN
operations. Employees of the United Nations are not included in these figures


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:6hWuLirsrQQJ:www.stimson.org/fopo/pdf/july05uscontribunpko.pdf+current+UN+peacekeeping+contributors&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6



That was 2005 and things really haven't changed much. Refer to following for current contributors and commitment.

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/un_peacekeeping_contributors

TJN's photo
Sat 01/10/09 05:10 AM
The U.S. may not provide as many troops but we give an enormous amount of money to them

The United States is a generous supporter of key UN programs, funding:


51.4% of the World Food Program budget to help feed 72 million people in 82 countries.*
17.1% of the United Nations Children’s Fund budget to feed, vaccinate, educate and protect children in 162 countries.*
14.1% of the United Nations Development Program core budget to eradicate poverty and encourage democratic governance.*
25.8% of the International Atomic Energy Agency budget to ensure safe and peaceful application of nuclear energy and prevent the illicit use of nuclear material for weapons.**
22% of the World Health Organization core budget as well as significant voluntary resources, helping to prevent and control epidemics and to improve standards of health.**
25% of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees budget to help protect refugees and facilitate their return home or re-settlement in another country.*
25% of the International Civil Aviation Organization budget to ensure safe, efficient and economical air travel.**
* These programs operate strictly on voluntary contributions.
** These programs operate on a combination of assessed and voluntary contributions.

no photo
Sat 01/10/09 05:49 AM
How about this. Lets worry about our own backyard. Lets send some relief right here. Our own people are hungry, homeless, and losing everything, yet we provide for everyone else!!!! Lets talk about the atrocities our own people are suffering....

TJN's photo
Sat 01/10/09 05:54 AM

How about this. Lets worry about our own backyard. Lets send some relief right here. Our own people are hungry, homeless, and losing everything, yet we provide for everyone else!!!! Lets talk about the atrocities our own people are suffering....

Thats in all the Obama posts
He is going to CHANGE everything

no photo
Sat 01/10/09 05:59 AM


How about this. Lets worry about our own backyard. Lets send some relief right here. Our own people are hungry, homeless, and losing everything, yet we provide for everyone else!!!! Lets talk about the atrocities our own people are suffering....

Thats in all the Obama posts
He is going to CHANGE everything
So you are saying we shouldnt? I didnt even mention him. He!! hes not even in office yet. Im talking about what has been going on for many years!!!!

Krimsa's photo
Sat 01/10/09 06:00 AM
Well he cant be any worse than Bush. Im hoping for the best out of Obama.

TJN's photo
Sat 01/10/09 06:03 AM



How about this. Lets worry about our own backyard. Lets send some relief right here. Our own people are hungry, homeless, and losing everything, yet we provide for everyone else!!!! Lets talk about the atrocities our own people are suffering....

Thats in all the Obama posts
He is going to CHANGE everything
So you are saying we shouldnt? I didnt even mention him. He!! hes not even in office yet. Im talking about what has been going on for many years!!!!
No I agree with you 100%
I just have no hope of that ever happening.
Over all the years and not much has been done and it doesnt look like anything will be done. sad but true

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