Topic: US blocks UN ceasfire in Gaza
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Mon 01/12/09 05:49 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Mon 01/12/09 05:50 AM
Whats the problem here? Are you troubled why "people of conscience" do not condemn terrorism? The suicide bombers did not land in Israel from outer space. The explosive belts might as well carry a label that reads "made in the Greater Eretz Israel."


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Mon 01/12/09 07:28 AM







At least 820 Palestinians, roughly half of them civilians, have been killed.



Where is the outrage at the terrorists who hide among women and children while they kill the women and children of Israel? sick

But I shouldn't call it "Jew hatred"! Oh no! The Jews have no right to protect themselves in some people's eyes, but that's not Jew hatred. Some people are silent while the Israelis are under attack, but that's not Jew hatred.

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John 8:44 http://bible.cc/john/8-44.htm

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



There you go with the Jew hatred thing again.slaphead

I don't look at their religions when I look at this conflict.
I'm looking at their behavior.

Why are you looking at their religions?


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Thank you, Fanta.flowers flowers

I see people that live in a place called Israel and they just happen to be Jewish. I don't see color or religion in the wars. I look at the behavior.



noway ...I look at the behavior ?...hmmmmmmm...where have I heard that before ?...:smile:


I don't know what you mean by that, Gio.

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Mon 01/12/09 07:30 AM
I have difficulty in understanding his comments also. I don’t always get the "jokes" he's attempting to make. I’m glad I’m not the only one. happy

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Mon 01/12/09 07:31 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 01/12/09 07:32 AM

I thought Religion and Politics were to be kept separate ?...OHHHH !!...only sometimes...I see...:smile:


If it's supposed to be kept separate why do you have a pic on your profile that I don't understand. It's a pic of a man carrying a sign that says, "Free Palestine is code for kill the Jews".

I don't know anybody that wants anybody killed.




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Mon 01/12/09 07:33 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 01/12/09 08:06 AM

The people in gaza got what they deserved


Children and civilians got what they deserved?!

I talked to a fake.slaphead

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Mon 01/12/09 07:34 AM

I have difficulty in understanding his comments also. I don’t always get the "jokes" he's attempting to make. I’m glad I’m not the only one. happy


I sure didn't get that one.laugh

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Mon 01/12/09 08:10 AM

I find it very interesting that the people who seem to support Israel in this massacre of Muslims are primarily Christian. Its the Crusades all over again. noway


There are Muslims who support Jews and Jews who support Muslims and Christians and Atheists on each side of the issue. The dividing line is ignorance and intolerance which has no religion. But radical Islamists like Hamas fall squarely in the ignorant and intolerant group.


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Mon 01/12/09 08:14 AM
That comment was based on profiles on this thread and the usual suspects.

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Mon 01/12/09 08:15 AM
The suicide bombs are the mutant flowers of Israel's brutalizing occupation, springing from the seeds of the 54-year-long dehumanization of Palestinians. They are the ghosts of your brutality coming back to haunt you, the mementos of your war against memory.

The massive and deliberate destruction of Palestinian civil records in the West Bank in the last weeks is but the most recent chapter in a war against Palestinian memory that began in 1948, with the annihilation of 400 Palestinian villages. But you seem to learn nothing from history, indeed from your own history: ghosts always return, each time more violently.


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Mon 01/12/09 08:17 AM

There you go with the Jew hatred thing again.slaphead

I don't look at their religions when I look at this conflict.
I'm looking at their behavior.

Why are you looking at their religions?




THEN EXPLAIN THIS TO ME: What should the Israelis do? They are being attacked and killed every day. They warned Hamas and the Palestinians for SIX FREAKING MONTHS that they would respond. What more could they have done? Under what conditions would you have them protect their own people?

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Mon 01/12/09 08:18 AM
There is a 1:25 ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis.

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Mon 01/12/09 08:22 AM


There you go with the Jew hatred thing again.slaphead

I don't look at their religions when I look at this conflict.
I'm looking at their behavior.

Why are you looking at their religions?




THEN EXPLAIN THIS TO ME: What should the Israelis do? They are being attacked and killed every day. They warned Hamas and the Palestinians for SIX FREAKING MONTHS that they would respond. What more could they have done? Under what conditions would you have them protect their own people?


You didn't answer the question.

I see people that live in a place called Israel and they just happen to be Jewish. I'm not looking at the religion of either side.

Why are you looking at what religion they are?


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Mon 01/12/09 08:41 AM



There you go with the Jew hatred thing again.slaphead

I don't look at their religions when I look at this conflict.
I'm looking at their behavior.

Why are you looking at their religions?




THEN EXPLAIN THIS TO ME: What should the Israelis do? They are being attacked and killed every day. They warned Hamas and the Palestinians for SIX FREAKING MONTHS that they would respond. What more could they have done? Under what conditions would you have them protect their own people?


You didn't answer the question.

I see people that live in a place called Israel and they just happen to be Jewish. I'm not looking at the religion of either side.

Why are you looking at what religion they are?




Why?

Because the only reason I can think of why people would deny them the right to protect themselves is because of their race. They have every right to exist as a country. They have every right to defend themselves, or at least they should. They are the same race as their neighbors: Semetic. So I am forced to believe that it is because of their religion (the only factor that seems to separate them from their neighbors) that people oppose their rights to self defense.

So I ask you again: Why would you deny Israel the right to protect her people? What more should they have done before they retaliated? Why responsibility do the terrorists and Palestinians bear in what is happening in Gaza?

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Mon 01/12/09 08:43 AM
So you are saying that the Palestinians have no right to occupy their own homeland because they are of Arabic descent primarily and are Muslim?

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Mon 01/12/09 08:44 AM

There is a 1:25 ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis.


The Palestinians are the aggressors. They have committed war crimes in Israel for the past six months without retaliation from Israel until recently. If the number was 1:1000000000 it wouldn't matter. They have commited three war crimes as defined by international law: 1) Attacked Israeli civilians, 2) Used Palestinian civilians as human shields, 3) Tried to destroy a UN member state (Israel). Their suffering is both regrettable and entirely avoidable.

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Mon 01/12/09 08:45 AM




There you go with the Jew hatred thing again.slaphead

I don't look at their religions when I look at this conflict.
I'm looking at their behavior.

Why are you looking at their religions?




THEN EXPLAIN THIS TO ME: What should the Israelis do? They are being attacked and killed every day. They warned Hamas and the Palestinians for SIX FREAKING MONTHS that they would respond. What more could they have done? Under what conditions would you have them protect their own people?


You didn't answer the question.

I see people that live in a place called Israel and they just happen to be Jewish. I'm not looking at the religion of either side.

Why are you looking at what religion they are?




Why?

Because the only reason I can think of why people would deny them the right to protect themselves is because of their race. They have every right to exist as a country. They have every right to defend themselves, or at least they should. They are the same race as their neighbors: Semetic. So I am forced to believe that it is because of their religion (the only factor that seems to separate them from their neighbors) that people oppose their rights to self defense.

So I ask you again: Why would you deny Israel the right to protect her people? What more should they have done before they retaliated? Why responsibility do the terrorists and Palestinians bear in what is happening in Gaza?


Told you winx!
Now you have him stuttering. He cant think of another answer!

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Mon 01/12/09 08:47 AM
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The Israeli's should be living under this flag spidey!
They should call themselves Palestinian!

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Mon 01/12/09 08:47 AM

The suicide bombs are the mutant flowers of Israel's brutalizing occupation, springing from the seeds of the 54-year-long dehumanization of Palestinians. They are the ghosts of your brutality coming back to haunt you, the mementos of your war against memory.

The massive and deliberate destruction of Palestinian civil records in the West Bank in the last weeks is but the most recent chapter in a war against Palestinian memory that began in 1948, with the annihilation of 400 Palestinian villages. But you seem to learn nothing from history, indeed from your own history: ghosts always return, each time more violently.


There is no moral justification of suicide bombers or rocket attacks on civilians. Such arguments to justify activities which are universally recognized war crimes in time of war are completely morally bankrupt. Think about what you are saying!

You cannot compare checkpoints or land disputes with blowing up a bus filled with people. But in your comment above you attempt to justify it.

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Mon 01/12/09 08:48 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Mon 01/12/09 08:49 AM
The Palestinians are the aggressors. They have committed war crimes in Israel for the past six months without retaliation from Israel until recently. If the number was 1:1000000000 it wouldn't matter. They have commited three war crimes as defined by international law: 1) Attacked Israeli civilians, 2) Used Palestinian civilians as human shields, 3) Tried to destroy a UN member state (Israel). Their suffering is both regrettable and entirely avoidable.


Even the cautious and pro-Israeli The Economist saw clear evidence of war crimes. U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen described the devastation in Jenin as "horrific beyond belief," and said it was "morally repugnant" that Israel blocked humanitarian emergency workers from entering Jenin for 11 days. Israel is still blocking rescue teams, while Perez is pondering whether to send Roed-Larsen home with a note to his parents or merely revoke his weekly allowance. The undiplomatic words of the Norwegian diplomat, but not the undiplomatic reality these words refer to, really hurt Israel's highly evolved moral sensibility.

Having agreed to it earlier, the government of Israel is now blocking the UN fact-finding mission to Jenin. The problem, according to Israel, is that too many of the members have "humanitarian" experience, and might not understand the requirements of warfare. It is easy to imagine the people and the resumes Israel would want to see instead: maybe a few Latin American death-squad leaders; or Lt. William Calley, whose experience at Mai Lai could prove invaluable in determining what is and what isn't a massacre; or perhaps the French General Paul Aussaresses, commander of the 1957 French paratroopers' attack on the Casbah of Algier. To top it all, war crimes connoisseur Madeleine Albright, or even Henri Kissinger, could provide moral leadership, as well as much needed verbal elasticity. As long as there is balance.


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Mon 01/12/09 08:49 AM

So you are saying that the Palestinians have no right to occupy their own homeland because they are of Arabic descent primarily and are Muslim?


No, I didn't say that.

What I did say is that Israel has a right to defend itself.

The area in question was 66% non-Jew / 33% Jew when Israel was formed by the UN. The Jews were given 1/5 of the land (60% of the land given to them was desert) and the non-Jews were given 4/5 of the land. The non-Jews were given all of the sea ports and almost all of the developed land. The Jews accepted the deal, the non-Jews did not and dedicated their lives to the destruction of Israel. That's the history, I'm sorry that it doesn't line up with what you want to believe, but you can research it for yourself. The Jews have every right to be there, just as the Palestinians do. The Palestinians simply had to take their land and be their own nation state. The two state opinion has always been on the table, they simply refuse to accept it. When Bill Clinton tried to broker a two nation deal, the infitada started, resulting in the deaths of many innocent Israelis. Once again, sorry if you can't accept the facts, but those are the facts.