Topic: Is the Bible repulsive?
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Tue 12/30/08 05:06 AM

What the Bible says about stoning Sung to the tune of Bob Dylan's "Everybody must get Stoned."

For touching Mount Sinai

Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

For taking "accursed things"

Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

For cursing or blaspheming

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For animals (like an ox that gores a human)

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

For worshipping other gods

If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

For disobeying parents

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

For witches and wizards

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

For giving your children to Molech

Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

For breaking the Sabbath

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

For cursing the king

Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10



Dylan drinker

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Tue 12/30/08 05:32 AM
I just meant that he was rebutted by like 4 people so far. laugh One only has to watch that video in fact. Those passages were all taken directly from the bible.

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Tue 12/30/08 05:35 AM

I just meant that he was rebutted by like 4 people so far. laugh One only has to watch that video in fact. Those passages were all taken directly from the bible.
I must admit to not looking at the vid, computer is trying my patience this morning.

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Tue 12/30/08 05:45 AM
Its a decent video but most of what they are discussing has been posted on these forums as complaints about the bible very often. There were a couple new passages that I had not seen though.

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Tue 12/30/08 06:37 AM
Twas a hard life and land back then laugh

compared to then, we live like royalty in our land

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Tue 12/30/08 06:39 AM
I'll try to check out the vid later. I can't re boot my computer till my foot heals laugh

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Tue 12/30/08 11:28 AM

I'll try to check out the vid later. I can't re boot my computer till my foot heals laugh



What did you do, Sharp...

give the 'puter a swift kick...

to try and reboot it?laughbigsmileflowerforyou

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Tue 12/30/08 03:34 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 12/30/08 03:43 PM

Those suffering bad fates in the bible like stoning and being slain obviously deserved it or God wouldn't have demanded or instructed it.

Try reading before certain scripture, like the whole thing. who, why, what, when and where,
How can we justify this? Its really convenient that now we have technology and knowledge that god decides to get quiet. Imagine that, as a civilization when we have no way to know if voices are you just being a crazy loon is when god talks to people, but now he is silent . . . hmm.


Or do you believe god reveals himself now?

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To any who think this is a Christian bashing thread read the title. How is it punctuated? What does a "?" mean?

Learn to comprehend then come back with your best answers.

I myself grow tired of the blathering. AT least Miles has the balls to say its metaphor as am answer.

The sad reality is with that much metaphor, you really have no consistent literal information to consider the bible anything but a bunch of stories that never really took place . . . .

So either all the hatred is metaphor and the bible is a great series of short stories to get to the heart of the struggle to find god.

Or its a repugnant demeaning repulsive misogynistic evil backward history of an empirical universal dictator.

I guess since I dont believe in god the only answer is that I have not prayed hard enough . . .
"Again..Only God can help you see. "



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Tue 12/30/08 03:43 PM
God is MORE than ABLE to REVEAL Himself, Bushidobillyclub.

Even to people who don't yet Beleive He even exists.:wink:


flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou

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Tue 12/30/08 03:45 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 12/30/08 03:47 PM
So is it fair that he has not revealed himself to everyone?

A loving just god that encapsulates what is good is the one making vague metaphorical contradictory writings thousands of years old filled with bigotry?

So god gives us reason, but requires we set it aside to reach salvation?

So is the bible the unerring word of god or not?

________________

At least miles tried to answer our questions even if his response was lame. Care to try to give some reason why these passage are there what they mean and why they are not repulsive MS?

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Tue 12/30/08 04:01 PM

I wasn’t able to watch the video, but I already know that the bible is repulsive. It makes both mankind and God out to be despicable.

Of course, we know that some men are despicable, but we also know that many are not. The Bible would like us to believe that all men are despicable.

The Bible is an insult to the very idea of a supreme divine mind.

The Bible claims that God is all-wise, and that he is a ‘Fatherly Image’.

Yet it goes on to claim that this God can only think in the very ignorant and unwise terms of punishment and reward. The God never truly mentors anyone. All it ever does is keep repeating the “Threat versus Reward” mentality like a moron.

Christians in particular demand that God is a hateful entity who even rejects intelligent loving people just because they don’t believe that God is a moron.

Christians demand that God is a truly ignorant heartless demon who will back their egotistical bigotry to the hilt whilst casting everyone who refuses to agree with them into the pits of hell. laugh

In fact, that’s precisely the mentality of the authors of the Bible.

Is the Bible repulsive?

Absolutely!

It’s an utter insult to the very concept of divinity. It represents nothing more than the opinions of male-chauvinistic bigots who have blasphemed themselves by claiming that they speak for the creator of this universe.

It’s the most discussing dogma on Planet Earth. And of course that goes for the Torah and the Koran as well since they are really the same pathetic dogma with slightly different twists. It all arose from the same idiotic mythology of a self-confessed jealous egotistical Godhead.

The Bible is an insult to any intelligent human being, and would most certainly be an insult to any divine supreme being as well. If our creator is truly as stupid and ignorant as the Bible claims then there wouldn’t be much sense in worshiping it anyway. It would be perfectly understandable why 33% of this God’s angels supposedly turned and walked away in disgust.

The Biblical God is a God to pity, not to praise. Let’s all pray to the powers that be that no God exists anywhere who is as pathetic as the Bible describes.

Yes, it’s an extremely repulsive mythology.

The people who believe in this wretched mythology want to teach our children a theory of “Intelligent Design”. But that would rule out the biblical picture immediately since there is nothing intelligent about the biblical picture.

Instead of teaching our children a theory of “Intelligent Design” we should simply teach our children to be intelligent and not to buy into unsubstantiated mythologies that claim that our supreme creator is utterly stupid.


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*Applause*
I had a thread going on another site called “Biblical Violence is the Real Porn” it covered MOST of the repulsive notions and really turned heads to new ways of thinking.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:03 PM
You should start another "Biblical Violence" thread. I will contribute. I have a Sodom and Gomorrah one going now but its pretty much dead.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:04 PM
Just ask God to reveal Himself to you ,Bushidobillyclub...

And He doesn't require that you be all "religious " about it either.

In fact, God don't even like religion.

Bushidobillyclub ,God Loves You just as you are...

and wants you to come to Him,

just as you are...warts and all.:wink:

And btw....a lot of the "repulsive" stuff in the bible is usually man's doing...not God's.

God just gets the blame.:wink:

(((((((flowerforyou:heart:Bushidbillyclub:heart:flowerforyou)))))))

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Tue 12/30/08 04:05 PM

So is it fair that he has not revealed himself to everyone?

A loving just god that encapsulates what is good is the one making vague metaphorical contradictory writings thousands of years old filled with bigotry?

So god gives us reason, but requires we set it aside to reach salvation?

So is the bible the unerring word of god or not?

________________

At least miles tried to answer our questions even if his response was lame. Care to try to give some reason why these passage are there what they mean and why they are not repulsive MS?


Those who wrote the bible and those who would have you believe what is written within are in collaboration. If God is LOVE and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE (my belief) then it stands to reason what we have are phoney writings.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:19 PM

You should start another "Biblical Violence" thread. I will contribute. I have a Sodom and Gomorrah one going now but its pretty much dead.


Thank you... I will then.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:23 PM

No Skypoetone...God's Word is not phoney...

But...It could either be

that one is not fully understanding God's Word yet....

or

one is hearing someone give a "MIS-interpretation" of God's Word ,

that makes the Word " APPEAR" phoney..that's all....


flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou

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Tue 12/30/08 04:24 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 12/30/08 04:24 PM

Just ask God to reveal Himself to you ,Bushidobillyclub...

And He doesn't require that you be all "religious " about it either.

In fact, God don't even like religion.

Bushidobillyclub ,God Loves You just as you are...

and wants you to come to Him,

just as you are...warts and all.:wink:

And btw....a lot of the "repulsive" stuff in the bible is usually man's doing...not God's.

God just gets the blame.:wink:

(((((((flowerforyou:heart:Bushidbillyclub:heart:flowerforyou)))))))



Good answer: the bible is not the unerring word of god. Ok.


MS I have asked god to reveal himself to me, he appears to be shy . . . or non existent.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:28 PM
MorningSong

You are at liberty to explain what you mean... how you think these vile scriptures are misinterpreted. Perhaps taken out of context, BUT I can assure you I have spent many years studying lots of religions and texts. My conclusions are not shooting from the hip.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:33 PM


Just ask God to reveal Himself to you ,Bushidobillyclub...

And He doesn't require that you be all "religious " about it either.

In fact, God don't even like religion.

Bushidobillyclub ,God Loves You just as you are...

and wants you to come to Him,

just as you are...warts and all.:wink:

And btw....a lot of the "repulsive" stuff in the bible is usually man's doing...not God's.

God just gets the blame.:wink:

(((((((flowerforyou:heart:Bushidbillyclub:heart:flowerforyou)))))))



Good answer: the bible is not the unerring word of god. Ok.


MS I have asked god to reveal himself to me, he appears to be shy . . . or non existent.


He is revealing Himself to you right now, Bushidobillyclub....

and is not done.

Trust Him.

He Loves You More than You Know,Bushidobillyclub...

:heart::heart::heart:

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Tue 12/30/08 04:45 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 12/30/08 04:49 PM

MorningSong

You are at liberty to explain what you mean... how you think these vile scriptures are misinterpreted. Perhaps taken out of context, BUT I can assure you I have spent many years studying lots of religions and texts. My conclusions are not shooting from the hip.




Sky......

everything in the bible, from beginning to end...

points to man's need for a Saviour.

All the vile stuff you see....is the result of sin, separating man from God.

God Our Heavenly Father wants to bring us back home where we belong...with Him......

and has already provided a way...thru Christ Jesus.

Abba Father... is just waiting for us all to come home.


God Loves Us Very Much.

And misses His Creation who all were created to be in Fellowship with Him.
Not separated from Him..



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