Topic: Is the Bible repulsive?
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Mon 12/29/08 10:58 PM


The bible talks about being stoned on the sabbath.

Yet what and why did this happen?

What happened where he quoted from we are talking about when Yahweh had direct communication with Moses. He would tell him what to do.

Yahweh says that rebellion is one of the most grevious sins.

It is as today is deliberate to intice a fight. To over throw justice. To mock.

The guy that was stoned was told he was not to pick up sticks for his fire on the sabbath after being told he clearly said so what. I do not care.. After what all he had seen..

Yahweh made an example out of him what happens when rebellion happens.

rebellion spreads and causes more problems.

This example of the Sabbath day was more about Rebellion than the sabbath.

As Yahshua said himself.

Also about adultry.

King david killed and committed Adultry when confronted he did not try to hide it but was sorry and seen he was out of control. He changed.

the woman they brought to yahshua.

Did they bring her to him because they wanted to see justice served?

No it was to trick him and he put it back on them.
Whoever is without sin cast the 1st stone. That is mercy not a crazy Elohim..


On wars.. since Yahshua's time yes. I can think of none that did not have scripture involved as an excuse.

But Yahshua even when he was going to be put to death falsely showed us an example.

He said he is not of this world if he was armies would fight for him.

This is true throughout the NT. The disciples or Apostlles you can not find anything but giving up thier life before they would take one. Did not matter who it was.

That should be. But since the Council of Nicea in 325 ad and Constantines supposed conversion it has been an excuse to kill and murder and they have all the way up to this day.

I do not belief history will bear out the Disciples of Yahshua picking up arms before then. then the true religion was lost in History.

You can read about some of them like the Poor men of Lyons who were slaughtered by Rome 800,000 yet little is said about them by the churches. They refused to pick up arms.

I do not disagree about what you see as religion today. It has been perverted and has been since 325ad.

You can see this in all the movies since then that has the warriors with a cross on thier uniforn, thier Sheild with a a sword even that looked like a cross.

They even went so far with the cross as a battling murderous theme that if you look closesly at the helmets the armies wore in front a little cross comes down over thier eyes. All to convince the soldiers they were doing Yahweh's work.. No they were doing JC's work.. This is one reason I refuse to have anything to do with a cross. It represents Death. Before 325 ad and constantine we do not find people wearing crosses.

This is almost 300 years after the messiah's death. Constantine a heathon used the religion for his own agenda and it has come down to us even today.


Stoning is a reference to Yahshua. He is our rock of Salvation..

This is a reference to Yahshua as the Stone. He also speaks of those who come against him will be dashed to pieces. Kinda like if you took a mirror you was looking in and did not like what you saw taking it and throwing it upon a cornerstone. What would happen to your reflection?

Isa 28:16-19

"Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.
17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,
And righteousness the plummet;
The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
And the waters will overflow the hiding place.
18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,
And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
Then you will be trampled down by it.
19 As often as it goes out it will take you;
For morning by morning it will pass over,
And by day and by night;
It will be a terror just to understand the report."
NKJV

These are very important scriptures that are talking about this day we live in. More of it in the same chapter explains how terror is brought about.

Stoning is the people coming against Yahweh's people. They will not stand thier words or thier ways...Shalom...Miles


And the Truth will set you FREE!!!

Shalom!



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Mon 12/29/08 11:07 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 12/29/08 11:54 PM




They were using actual verbatim passages from the bible. They were using both the NT and the OT.


Krisma.

Now I know you are in a field that is not an easy everyday one for somebody.

Now i could take one of your books an take certain sections out of it without knowing my head from a hole in the ground.

Now if I said things from your field just because it came from one of your books does that make me right or some kind of expert?

no what it would make me is a FOOL.. Just like the jokesters on the video Blessings..Miles


Miles, anyone could pick up one of my books and study it and understand what it is discussing. Its not like they are written beyond the comprehension of human beings or something.

Besides the whole point of the bible is the average man or woman is supposed to be able to pick it up and read it and interpret it to their own satisfaction.


You said a mouthful thier. yes it is easy to understand but the problem is the OT has been done away.. everyone tries to use the NT to say what stuff means and it makes the OT not make sence.. Yahshua came that everyone can understand.. But very few want to.

But reading what you did is baseless. The bible is a complicated book. easy principles but you have to know it from one end to the other to really understand it.. that is why it is ever learning..Shalom


Miles ... because you actually believe that Jesus is satan..... disqualifies you from telling anyone about the bible.

Sadly....Gross misinterpretations like that of God's Word, happens when one is not born again.

Will just be praying, that people bound up in religiousity and legalism, ,
will get free now.

Praying for all.

With that I close now.

Be Blessed Everyone Now.

:heart::heart::heart:


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Mon 12/29/08 11:09 PM


I understand what you are trying to say, that stoning was meant more in a metaphorical sense, but I really do believe that in the OT, people were stoned to death for all of these reasons listed, no matter how minor and ridiculous they appear to us now. I mean I could copy and paste all of the reasons for stoning found in the OT that are listed. I wont do that and its probably not necessary.


Yes thier was stoning in thier . the law was a physical thing that was meant to teach the spiritual meaning of love your nieghbor as your self and Love Yahweh with all your heart mind and soul.

The whole Torah or 5 books of moses when it starts in Exodus the children of Israel had been slaves to egypt for 430 years.

They had to learn the hard way and none of them made it to the Promice land but 2.

When they entered the Promice land the law was much more flexible.. Shalom..Miles


Well that is the point that the video is making. It clearly states in several passages in the bible to stone people and for ridiculously unnecessary reasons. The one they happened to cite was working on the Sabbath. Based on what the bible states, if we are to believe that it is the "perfect word of god" which it also states, then we should stone to death about 3/4 of the population of the US for having to work Sundays and holidays.

Were you able to watch the video or no?

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Mon 12/29/08 11:10 PM

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Mon 12/29/08 11:15 PM





The exact reason I do not go to church... too many hypocrites... spock

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Mon 12/29/08 11:18 PM
Well in defense of the church here, it may just have been parked there and someone took the photo. It is a little suspicious though. laugh :wink: laugh

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Mon 12/29/08 11:30 PM

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Mon 12/29/08 11:42 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Mon 12/29/08 11:49 PM



I understand what you are trying to say, that stoning was meant more in a metaphorical sense, but I really do believe that in the OT, people were stoned to death for all of these reasons listed, no matter how minor and ridiculous they appear to us now. I mean I could copy and paste all of the reasons for stoning found in the OT that are listed. I wont do that and its probably not necessary.


Yes thier was stoning in thier . the law was a physical thing that was meant to teach the spiritual meaning of love your nieghbor as your self and Love Yahweh with all your heart mind and soul.

The whole Torah or 5 books of moses when it starts in Exodus the children of Israel had been slaves to egypt for 430 years.

They had to learn the hard way and none of them made it to the Promice land but 2.

When they entered the Promice land the law was much more flexible.. Shalom..Miles


Well that is the point that the video is making. It clearly states in several passages in the bible to stone people and for ridiculously unnecessary reasons. The one they happened to cite was working on the Sabbath. Based on what the bible states, if we are to believe that it is the "perfect word of god" which it also states, then we should stone to death about 3/4 of the population of the US for having to work Sundays and holidays.

Were you able to watch the video or no?


Yes I watched the Video.. All of it.


What I am saying everything goes through growing pains before we reach maturity.

The Scriptures are telling us about growing pains even now.

The pains are going to get worse in the years to come.

Not because of Yahweh.

when Yahshua died the Spirit was for who ever calls for it.

This is what will guide you and protect you.

In the years ahead as in the Tower of babel when all people spoke the same and came to the conclusion they did not need Yahweh.They started sacraficing.

this is way before the law was written and it was not Yahweh's doings.

they started sacraficing people and then babies. As we see today.

As we see in cultures that we do not understand as in the mayans.

These are from the Tower of Babel.

We now are coming back to that phase in history.

Where communication between people is at no end.

We do not know how to handle it.

The scriptures say it is the men in High places that are in confusion in a fight for control.

sacraficing us for thier greater end. Not ours.

All this because we have rejected the scriptures and Yahweh is going to let us see for ourselves what our end will be.

terror. Who is your enemy? Lets get him before he gets us.

The best defence is a good offence.

power.. who can be the most powerful.

this can only be a true fight between a very few. the destruction in it's path is just part of the greater good they say.


Look at Iraq. Do you think that it just happened to be the most important commodidty in the world is in the Middle east and this came about at the same time that daniel Prophesied that thier would be an explosion of Knowledge.

Babel.. We are building a Tower again of KNowledge. With a fight for control.

All this being talked about over and over in a physical place.

Babylon.. Babel..The hanging Gardens.

How do Gardens Hang?

OIL is the new Gold. everything is made from it.

Our worlds armies main purpose is to make sure we get what we want.

Without oil you can do nothing in a short period of Time.

It even Speaks of do not hurt the oil. And in the same sentence when it says do not hurt the oil what does it have a symbol?

Scales.. What do scales represent? The United States. Democracy?

Forced Democracy as a lie for OIL?

I want you to read this. written 1900+ years ago about what we will see if you can understand.

remember what I just said and think about what has happened for HOW manY YEARS?


Is this a clear picture. Is something very important here and could this speak out our Armies?

What is the color of OIL?

What does a Rider on a Horse with a seal represent happening?

Rev 6:5-7

When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come and see." So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine."


NKJV


Think about this.. This is and has been happening coming upon how many years I wonder before it is actually over. The scriptures seem to say 7.. Spring 2010. The war will end?

I wonder... Blessings of Shalom...Miles


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Tue 12/30/08 12:17 AM
I believe the Bible is a perfect explination of the trials and tribulations all individuals must face in order to find a relationship with God that is truly slef heartening and worth while. In a metaphorical sense not existentalist.

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Tue 12/30/08 12:50 AM
Mingle created the rooms for the Atheist and other Anit-Christians and yet the bashings continue.Nothing like showing your true colors(as if I didn't know already).Keep fueling your fire and accuse the Christians as being hypocrites.Spend more time looking in the mirror and less time in the General religion chat pumping up your racist hatred for the Christians.

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Tue 12/30/08 01:34 AM
Edited by Seamonster on Tue 12/30/08 01:34 AM

Mingle created the rooms for the Atheist and other Anit-Christians and yet the bashings continue.Nothing like showing your true colors(as if I didn't know already).Keep fueling your fire and accuse the Christians as being hypocrites.Spend more time looking in the mirror and less time in the General religion chat pumping up your racist hatred for the Christians.



Racist hatred for the cristians?

Realy? the race of christians?

uhg

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Tue 12/30/08 03:02 AM

Mingle created the rooms for the Atheist and other Anit-Christians and yet the bashings continue.Nothing like showing your true colors(as if I didn't know already).Keep fueling your fire and accuse the Christians as being hypocrites.Spend more time looking in the mirror and less time in the General religion chat pumping up your racist hatred for the Christians.


racist hatred?

Isn't that pretty steep from someone who wants a whole other belief system wiped from this earth, because they might, and I repeat might hurt you in a time to come. What about their women and children? Do they have to die too? Because at some time in the future they might hurt someone?

If next time you talk about racist hatred, think before you spout off.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:10 AM
That drawing depicts a white man's Jesus. huh

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Tue 12/30/08 04:26 AM


They were using actual verbatim passages from the bible. They were using both the NT and the OT.


Krisma.

Now I know you are in a field that is not an easy everyday one for somebody.

Now i could take one of your books an take certain sections out of it without knowing my head from a hole in the ground.

Now if I said things from your field just because it came from one of your books does that make me right or some kind of expert?

no what it would make me is a FOOL.. Just like the jokesters on the video Blessings..Miles
drinker

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Tue 12/30/08 04:38 AM
You came in late Sharp, he's already been responded to.

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Tue 12/30/08 04:39 AM


Mingle created the rooms for the Atheist and other Anit-Christians and yet the bashings continue.Nothing like showing your true colors(as if I didn't know already).Keep fueling your fire and accuse the Christians as being hypocrites.Spend more time looking in the mirror and less time in the General religion chat pumping up your racist hatred for the Christians.


racist hatred?

Isn't that pretty steep from someone who wants a whole other belief system wiped from this earth, because they might, and I repeat might hurt you in a time to come. What about their women and children? Do they have to die too? Because at some time in the future they might hurt someone?

If next time you talk about racist hatred, think before you spout off.


Really. Someone needs to look up the definition for "racist" I might add. laugh :wink:

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Tue 12/30/08 04:43 AM
What the Bible says about stoning Sung to the tune of Bob Dylan's "Everybody must get Stoned."

For touching Mount Sinai

Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

For taking "accursed things"

Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

For cursing or blaspheming

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For animals (like an ox that gores a human)

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

For worshipping other gods

If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

For disobeying parents

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

For witches and wizards

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

For giving your children to Molech

Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

For breaking the Sabbath

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

For cursing the king

Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10

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Tue 12/30/08 04:59 AM
Maybe they where just "STONE RICH", and it was cheaper than a fair trial?

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Tue 12/30/08 05:03 AM
Those suffering bad fates in the bible like stoning and being slain obviously deserved it or God wouldn't have demanded or instructed it.

Try reading before certain scripture, like the whole thing. who, why, what, when and where,

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Tue 12/30/08 05:05 AM

You came in late Sharp, he's already been responded to.
morning Krimsa, It's just a little too early for me, haven't even had any coffee yet indifferent yawn