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Topic: Woman blackmailed by former church
Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Thu 12/25/08 06:55 PM
A 49-year-old Florida woman says her former church is threatening to reveal her sins to its congregation after learning that she is in a "sexually immoral relationship. " Rebecca Hancock told FOXNews. com that Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Jacksonville, Fla., was against her relationship with boyfriend Frank Young because the two were sexually active but not married. When she wasn’t willing to obey the church's orders to leave him, she decided to leave the church instead, allowing her two children to remain active members. Now, she says, church elders have given her the worst ultimatum yet: In a Dec. 8 letter, they told her she either has to meet with them and end her "immoral" relationship or she will face public humiliation. “Bottom line, on January they 4th they are going to the church publicly with my sins, and my children will be sitting in church at the time,” Hancock told FOXNews. com. TO SEE THE REST OF THE STORY AND A COPY OF THE LETTER, GO TO http://www. foxnews. com/story/0,2933,469928,00. html

Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Thu 12/25/08 07:33 PM
DARN and I thought this story would be much more interesting, I thought, maybe, she had lesbian lover.... darn! No drama, just another poor Christian choice.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 12/25/08 07:39 PM
Yeah, I know of a church here that is like that. They base it on the bible teaching of confronting the sinner with one person and a witness and if they don't change you take some more people and then finally you tell eveyone. The first Sunday I went to this church the pastor got up and told us all about some guy by name who left his wife for another woman.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 12/25/08 07:39 PM
DARN and I thought this story would be much more interesting, I thought, maybe, she had lesbian lover.... darn! No drama, just another poor Christian choice.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Thu 12/25/08 07:42 PM
DARN and I thought this story would be much more interesting, I thought, maybe, she had lesbian lover.... darn! No drama, just another poor Christian choice. i'll try and find a juicer one next time.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 12/25/08 07:46 PM
Why dont they just stone her?

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 12/25/08 07:49 PM
Why dont they just stone her? The only reason they don't is because it is against the law.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Thu 12/25/08 07:53 PM
This is news???Yawn....Coming to the General Religion posts soon....Christian in small town broke commandment by taking the lords name in vain.Get a life!

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 12/25/08 07:55 PM
This is news???Yawn....Coming to the General Religion posts soon....Christian in small town broke commandment by taking the lords name in vain.Get a life! I'm pretty sure the woman who is being publicly humiliated considers it a bit worse than taking the Lord's name in vain.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 12/25/08 07:57 PM
This is news???Yawn....Coming to the General Religion posts soon....Christian in small town broke commandment by taking the lords name in vain.Get a life! Be careful what you wish for. For cursing or blaspheming And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Thu 12/25/08 08:02 PM
This is news???Yawn....Coming to the General Religion posts soon....Christian in small town broke commandment by taking the lords name in vain.Get a life! and to christians, your right this is not news. being humiliated in front of your kids for liveing your life the way you want is old news to people like yourself. You realy think thats cool? Wow dude.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Thu 12/25/08 08:11 PM
This is not news.Every church has laws and every member understands the rules and laws set by the church.If you are going to go against the teachings of your church then it should be no surprise if they get upset with you.I know this is especially true in small towns where everyone knows your business.I have been in churches where they are very strict about how you live your personal life and will scold you if they see you making a bad impression since you represent the image of the church.Although I do not think it is a bad thing for the church to scorn this woman for going against what her church is teaching her not to do.I disagree that the church should not make her sins public as this could be very embarassing.If I was in her situation I would go before the church and apologize and ask for forgiveness.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 12/25/08 08:14 PM
I could understand if the church asked her to leave but the public humiliation seems to indicate resentment and anger on their part. Why do they need to pursue it in such a manner except that they are attempting to frighten her into coming back. Its kind of perverse and strange. I wonder if she can sue them for defamation of character?

Moondark Joined Tue 11/27/07 Posts: 5866	Thu 12/25/08 08:17 PM
I cut and paste, but the link isn't working. Public humiliation AFTER she has left the church is retaliation on one hand and on the other is meant as a lesson to others that if they leave the church they will risk anything known about them being used against them.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Thu 12/25/08 08:19 PM
This is news???Yawn....Coming to the General Religion posts soon....Christian in small town broke commandment by taking the lords name in vain.Get a life! and to christians, your right this is not news. being humiliated in front of your kids for liveing your life the way you want is old news to people like yourself. You realy think thats cool? Wow dude. Who's fault is it hers or her kids?She brought this upon herself.If she was going to do something that she knew her church would get upset with then she should have made very sure she didn't get caught.I don't see how this is any different from guy who teaches people not to drink and drive and then gets caught by the police for being drunk behind the wheel.I know it's easy for atheist to not take responsibility for your actions but Christians see it a little different.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Thu 12/25/08 08:19 PM
This is not news.Every church has laws and every member understands the rules and laws set by the church.If you are going to go against the teachings of your church then it should be no surprise if they get upset with you.I know this is especially true in small towns where everyone knows your business.I have been in churches where they are very strict about how you live your personal life and will scold you if they see you making a bad impression since you represent the image of the church.Although I do not think it is a bad thing for the church to scorn this woman for going against what her church is teaching her not to do.I disagree that the church should not make her sins public as this could be very embarassing.If I was in her situation I would go before the church and apologize and ask for forgiveness. first off shes not a member of the church anymore, so why should she ask for forgivness? And if they were going to realy follow the bible then she should be put to death. But no-one realy cares what the bible actually says. but again this is just normal behavour from the people that want to control the lives of others, and the sad thing is people want their lives controled.

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Thu 12/25/08 08:25 PM
This is news???Yawn....Coming to the General Religion posts soon....Christian in small town broke commandment by taking the lords name in vain.Get a life! and to christians, your right this is not news. being humiliated in front of your kids for liveing your life the way you want is old news to people like yourself. You realy think thats cool? Wow dude. Who's fault is it hers or her kids?She brought this upon herself.If she was going to do something that she knew her church would get upset with then she should have made very sure she didn't get caught.I don't see how this is any different from guy who teaches people not to drink and drive and then gets caught by the police for being drunk behind the wheel.I know it's easy for atheist to not take responsibility for your actions but Christians see it a little different. it's totaly different. fist, she's not the pastor she was just a memeber. and yes christians take responsibilty as soon as they get caught ie. Kent Hovlend,Ted Haggard,Jim Baker....list goes on and on. So don't give me the holyer than tho bull****.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Thu 12/25/08 08:32 PM
This is not news.Every church has laws and every member understands the rules and laws set by the church.If you are going to go against the teachings of your church then it should be no surprise if they get upset with you.I know this is especially true in small towns where everyone knows your business.I have been in churches where they are very strict about how you live your personal life and will scold you if they see you making a bad impression since you represent the image of the church.Although I do not think it is a bad thing for the church to scorn this woman for going against what her church is teaching her not to do.I disagree that the church should not make her sins public as this could be very embarassing.If I was in her situation I would go before the church and apologize and ask for forgiveness. first off shes not a member of the church anymore, so why should she ask for forgivness? And if they were going to realy follow the bible then she should be put to death. But no-one realy cares what the bible actually says. but again this is just normal behavour from the people that want to control the lives of others, and the sad thing is people want their lives controled. Give me a break.She is not going to be put to death.Jesus died so people would not have to die for their sins no matter how severe so the whole putting people to death is not relevant. You know I read on these posts all the time how Christians say one thing and do another.So you have a church that not only follows the bible but also expects its members to follow it also and you are blaming the church for putting its foot down.It's not about control it's about not letting a member or members give the church a bad image.I remember in the 80's when Jimi swaggert(a very popular preacher)was caught with a prostitute.The amount of damage done to the Christian church was huge because of that and it shredded his career faster than a branch through a wood chipper.Any Christian church wouldn't want that guy with in 500 feet of their church. If I was the head of the church and I knew there were certain people in my church dealing drugs,engaging in prostitution,getting drunk on a regular basis,and doing other things that made the church look bad I would probably kick them out also.They can always repent and come back to the church later but why would I put up with it?

Seamonster Joined Mon 11/03/08 Posts: 902	Thu 12/25/08 08:43 PM
This is not news.Every church has laws and every member understands the rules and laws set by the church.If you are going to go against the teachings of your church then it should be no surprise if they get upset with you.I know this is especially true in small towns where everyone knows your business.I have been in churches where they are very strict about how you live your personal life and will scold you if they see you making a bad impression since you represent the image of the church.Although I do not think it is a bad thing for the church to scorn this woman for going against what her church is teaching her not to do.I disagree that the church should not make her sins public as this could be very embarassing.If I was in her situation I would go before the church and apologize and ask for forgiveness. first off shes not a member of the church anymore, so why should she ask for forgivness? And if they were going to realy follow the bible then she should be put to death. But no-one realy cares what the bible actually says. but again this is just normal behavour from the people that want to control the lives of others, and the sad thing is people want their lives controled. Give me a break.She is not going to be put to death.Jesus died so people would not have to die for their sins no matter how severe so the whole putting people to death is not relevant. You know I read on these posts all the time how Christians say one thing and do another.So you have a church that not only follows the bible but also expects its members to follow it also and you are blaming the church for putting its foot down.It's not about control it's about not letting a member or members give the church a bad image.I remember in the 80's when Jimi swaggert(a very popular preacher)was caught with a prostitute.The amount of damage done to the Christian church was huge because of that and it shredded his career faster than a branch through a wood chipper.Any Christian church wouldn't want that guy with in 500 feet of their church. If I was the head of the church and I knew there were certain people in my church dealing drugs,engaging in prostitution,getting drunk on a regular basis,and doing other things that made the church look bad I would probably kick them out also.They can always repent and come back to the church later but why would I put up with it? again she is not a member of the church. They are going to humilliate a non-member. And she wasnt dealing drugs or protituting she lived with her boyfriend. and yes we all know that god changed the rules he him self made. So how realy knows what the rules are anymore if he changes them on a whim. I love it when christians say, oh the OT rules don't apply but they still tout out the 10 commandments.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 12/25/08 08:55 PM
Not to mention that Jesus never denounced the Law or the prophets of the OT. He said he came to fulfill. Go figure.