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Jess wrote:  Holy crap...this made it to ten pages???? And it is equally as silly 10 pages on as it was in the OP.... I think the best point in the thread was from a poster early on who said that all religious topics should be posted in comedy. Namaste my little Sea Goddess.  Smiles wrote: The evidence is right there!!!!! Can't you see it!!! ------------------) . (-------------- Confucious say the Buddha Guru will light the way.  |
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I hope someone will light the way or I will be lost!
I am starting to get a belly like buddha also and I may not fit in the following evidence anymore ------------) . (------------- |
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As someone who is more philosophical and spiritual. I choose not to attach myself to religious institutions. My reason for belief in a higher power, a source to all things as it were goes back to Blaise Pascal's Wager arguement. I try to avoid the terms deity or "God" because of the tendency of those words humanizing something which is not human. Anyways in the Wager arguement, belief in something is a wager or a bet as it were. If i believe in a higher power and there is one then i lose nothing. If there is no higher power then i lose everything. If i bet that there is no higher power and there is I still lose everything. I don't have to absolute proof to find good reason to believe in something. I just play the odds and statistics. A 50/50 chance is better than resigning myself to no chance at all. Just my thoughts is all.  By using that argument you admit that part of you does not believe in a higher power. The higher power knows that because of his omnipotence. How does that make the higher power feel? Does that qualify you for a ticket to pass through the golden gates? Or are you just living in fear of the unknown? I used to use the same argument myself. Then I thought it was probably a cop out to do so. Please don't be offended by my comments. You're entitled to your belief and I'm just voicing my opinion. Oh no don't worry, i am not offended, I see where you going with. Yeah some might view it as a cop out as it were. Everything is a personal choice i think when you get down to it. I was just stating that one could logically and with reason choose to believe in something regardless of substantial proof. Your right that in a sense by using that arguement I am also saying that i don't believe in something. When it comes to me personally, I am a philosophical Taoist. I choose not adhere myself to any religion or its deity. I even offered what is closer to my actual beliefs and precepts in another thread, i'll post it below becuase it will mesh with this threads flow and give you a better idea where i am coming from and where i am going with this thread. Who or what said that there had to be a creator or creators? Why do we constantly try to give a form of personality, an ego or human like quality to something in order to give ourselves a sense of security that this is all planned out and everything is really under someone else's control? What is wrong with accepting that there is choas in the universe? Does everything need a reason or plan? When do we realize that the plan maybe is that there is no plan? My parents came to me when i was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes because it was part of "God's" plan. My father even tryed to convince me that "God" was punishing me for something i had done or would later do. It didn't take me long to realize that was a load of bull. I personally don't need some form of reassurance to convince myself that things are under control. I find more peace in accepting who and what i am is not because of somebody's grand scheme but because it just is. I can handle that and that is all i need to deal with what i can not explain or understand completely. Let me put it another way. Stories seem to work best so i will go that route. There once was a zen master who was preparing to pass on. He looked through his pupils to see who was best suited to take his place as head of the temple. He narrowed his options down to two. One was a very bright and intelligent leader. The other was a devoted monk of many years and acted as the temple's cook. The master decided to test them with a simple koan to determine who would succeed him. He has them bring a table in and place a glass half filled with water on it. He then had them enter individually to test them. He had the intelligent leader come in first. He pointed at the glass and said what is this? The pupil took a few minutes to ponder the koan. He then turned to the master and said," It is that which is before us in this existence and we must acknowledge it and try to understand it." The master released him and had the cook come in. He then posed the same koan to him. The cook looked at the glass only a second. He then grasped it, drank the water and threw the glass out of the temple. As he turned to leave he told the master," That is it." and left. Now i leave you all with a koan of your own. Who did the master choose to succeed him and why? Now some might be a bit preplexed as i could argue for belief in a higher power yet turn around and question the nesscity of a "creator". Really there is no conflict in my mind when it comes to this. My thinking is if there is a source from which all things came that it most likely be of something beyond a human nature or equivalence. I choose to think that this source as it were would be something that goes beyond what religion uses a way to associate humanity with the divine. A source that for lack of better words that connects all things, resonates through them, is what represents the absolutes truths in the universe and yet is devoid of any mind,ego,or personality of its own. Lao-tzu put it best when he was trying to describe what i am trying to a feel i am still coming up short. He said," I call it the Tao because i do not know what to call it in words that would encompass what it is completely." I choose to think that that this source, Tao for lack of a word which would suffice. Its not fear of the unknown that compells my thinking. Rather it is a realization of which i know human concepts and words will only fail to bring about that realization for another unless they experience it themselves. It drives me to question everything, embrace the unknown and the fact i don't understand and know much about it and everything else in the universe. I know i have throughly confused most people but I get a tranquil calm from simply just being and knowing that it will change. I'm going to go have a beer now. That will help me reach my tranquil calm. |
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Have one for me too. I live in a nursing home, and with my diabetes its kinda a bad idea to have alcohol. Haven't had a sip in five years now. Kinda wish most of the people i knew were still alive and we could sit around, hit some sake and crack up about all this. Live your life to the best of your ability cause it is way too short as it is. Just enjoy it is the best advice i can offer anyone. Everybody gets in a hurry and forgets to savor and enjoy things. Thanks for putting up with my novel there.
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Have one for me too. I live in a nursing home, and with my diabetes its kinda a bad idea to have alcohol. Haven't had a sip in five years now. Kinda wish most of the people i knew were still alive and we could sit around, hit some sake and crack up about all this. Live your life to the best of your ability cause it is way too short as it is. Just enjoy it is the best advice i can offer anyone. Everybody gets in a hurry and forgets to savor and enjoy things. Thanks for putting up with my novel there. I can put up with anything. Almost. I've thought I was going to die on two occasions so I know to savor life for every moment. That's the best advice anyone can take. I hope you have a way of relaxing and having fun; I'm sure you do. I'm also sure it's a better way of doing it than resorting to alcohol. The older I get the less I like to drink. |
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Edited by
JasmineInglewood
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Sat 12/06/08 01:23 AM
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ARGUMENT FROM PAIN AVOIDANCE (1) If I don't believe God exists, I'll go to Hell. (2) Please don't hurt me. (3) Therefore, God exists. 82 ARGUMENT FROM ARMCHAIR PSYCHOANALYSIS (1) You say there's no God? (2) Ah, someone calling themselves Christian must have really hurt you in the past. (3) Therefore, God exists. 83 ARGUMENT FROM WIND (1) You believe in wind. (2) But you can't see it. (3) God's the same way. (4) It IS TOO analogous! (5) Therefore, God exists. 84 ARGUMENT FROM YOU'RE TOO NICE (1) You're too nice to be an atheist. (2) Therefore you can't be an atheist. You must believe in God. (3) [Atheist: Actually, no . . .] (4) I'm not listening! LA LA LA LA LA! (5) Therefore, God exists. To infinity. 85 ARGUMENT FROM JESUS’ TORTURE (1) No one ever, ever suffered as much as Jesus did on the cross. (2) No, not the victims of the Inquisition. (3) No, not the women burned at the stake or hanged as witches. (4) No, not all the people who died thinking they were going to Hell! (5) Who but God would suffer like that for us ungrateful, unworthy humans? (6) Therefore, God exists. 86 ARGUMENT FROM UNIQUE EXISTENCE (1) God exists but not in a way that anything else that exists exists. (2) Since there are no other things that exist as God exists, we are free to make up things about God's state of existence that ensure his continued non-observability (3) Therefore, God exists. 87 ARGUMENT FROM COAL MINERS (I) (1) A bunch of miners got trapped. (2) A bunch of people worked around the clock for a week to rescue them. (3) They were all found alive. (4) It must have been a miracle! (5) Only God could have done that. (6) Therefore, God exists. 88 ARGUMENT FROM COAL MINERS (II), a.k.a. YOU ONLY HEAR FROM THE SURVIVORS (I) (1) A bunch of miners got trapped. (2) A bunch of people worked hard to rescue them. (3) One was found alive. (4) He thanked God for his survival. (5) Only God could have done that. (6) Therefore, God exists. 89 ARGUMENT FROM AIRPLANE CRASH, a.k.a. YOU ONLY HEAR FROM THE SURVIVORS (II) (1) An airplane I was on crashed, killing most passengers. (2) I survived! (3) It was a MIRACLE! (4) Only God could have done that. (5) Therefore, God exists. 90 ARGUMENT FROM SCIENCE (1) Everything was fine until man created science. (2) Therefore, God exists. |
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Edited by
JasmineInglewood
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Sat 12/06/08 01:51 AM
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ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF AN ARGUMENT (I) (1) Well . . . (2) Um . . . (3) You see . . . (4) Um . . . (5) Therefore, God exists. 92 ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF AN ARGUMENT (II) (1) I don't have an argument for God. (2) My lack of an argument makes me morally superior to you atheists. (3) This indicates a baseline standard of morality that must have been derived from God. (4) MY GOD!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! *coughcough* Ouchies . . . (5) [see next argument for further details] (6) Therefore, God exists. 93 ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF AN ARGUMENT (III) (1) No, I WASN'T arguing! (2) WAS NOT! (3) What do you mean, I'm arguing now? (4) WHAT!?!?!? (5) [see previous argument for further details] (6) Therefore, God exists. 94 ARGUMENT FROM MISDEFINITION OF A RELIGION (1) You don't want to be an evolutionist, do you? (2) [Atheist explains that evolution is a scientific theory, not a religion] (3) But you believe in it. (4) That means you support Social Darwinism. (5) And that's just yucky. (6) I don't want to be yucky, so I can't support evolution. (7) But I need some explanation for the origin of life. (8) [Atheist: Evolution has nothing to do with—] (9) Therefore, God exists. 95 ARGUMENT FROM ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES (1) First of all, I'd like to thank my lord and savior, Jesus Christ. (2) [shout out to all my homies in the balcony] (3) I couldn't have done this without Jesus. (4) Therefore, God exists. 96 ARGUMENT FROM IDIOTS AT THE DOOR (1) Hello, we would like to talk about God— (2) GET THE HELL OFF MY PROPERTY!!! (3) Therefore, God exists. 97 ARGUMENT FROM HOMOSEXUALS (1) If God created us as in Adam and Eve, then there would not be homosexuals. (2) Therefore, all homosexuals are really straight people just pretending to be gay. (3) Therefore, God exists. 98 ARGUMENT FROM SELF-EVIDENCE (1) People can agree on certain things, right? (2) For example, we can agree that there is a tree standing right over there. (3) We don't spend a lot of time arguing about the existence of the tree, because it's so self-evident. (4) God's existence is similarly self-evident. (5) Therefore, God exists. 99 ARGUMENT FROM UNTIDY THEORY OF EVOLUTION (1) In attempting to unravel such a simple, straightforward matter as the evolution of life over the course of the last 2.7 billion years, scientists have encountered certain difficulties and differences of opinion. (2) Therefore the Theory of Evolution is a house of cards and creationism is self-evident. (3) Therefore, God exists. 100 ARGUMENT FROM REPETITION (1) God exists. (2) God exists. (3) God exists. ... (n) God exists. (n+1) Therefore, God exists. (3) Therefore, God exists. "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire |
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There is ONE SURE WAY
to KNOW That GOD EXISTS... And that ONE SURE WAY OF KNOWING Will Leave NO Doubt Whatsoever... And That Is When GOD HIMSELF.... STEPS INSIDE YOUR HEART.  
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ARGUMENT FROM MISDEFINITION OF A RELIGION (1) You don't want to be an evolutionist, do you? (2) [Atheist explains that evolution is a scientific theory, not a religion] (3) But you believe in it. (4) That means you support Social Darwinism. (5) And that's just yucky. (6) I don't want to be yucky, so I can't support evolution. (7) But I need some explanation for the origin of life. (8) [Atheist: Evolution has nothing to do with—] (9) Therefore, God exists.
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GOD IS SPIRIT.
NOT LOGIC. THEREFORE, GOD CAN'T BE REACHED BY LOGIC. BUT ONLY BY SPIRIT. SPIRIT AND LOGIC..... THE TWAIN SHALL NEVER MEET. |
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No argument from me on that one MS.
I think the scientific community has been stating that for years now.
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Edited by
martymark
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Sat 12/06/08 04:44 AM
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GOD IS SPIRIT. NOT LOGIC. THEREFORE, GOD CAN'T BE REACHED BY LOGIC. BUT ONLY BY SPIRIT. SPIRIT AND LOGIC..... THE TWAIN SHALL NEVER MEET. |
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Works for me,
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ARGUMENT FROM BIBLICAL PROPHECY (1) The book of Daniel made some prophecies. (2) The prophecy was later fulfilled by other records in the Book of Daniel. (3) The prophecy came true! (4) Therefore, God exists.  Exactly
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me thinks i made some enemies with this thread
 no idea why  
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me thinks i made some enemies with this thread no idea why Me luvs ya Jasmin.
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GOD IS SPIRIT. NOT LOGIC. THEREFORE, GOD CAN'T BE REACHED BY LOGIC. BUT ONLY BY SPIRIT. SPIRIT AND LOGIC..... THE TWAIN SHALL NEVER MEET. We finally agree on something MorningSong. 
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me thinks i made some enemies with this thread no idea why Me luvs ya Jasmin. gaaaaa 
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me thinks i made some enemies with this thread no idea why Me luvs ya Jasmin. gaaaaa Best thing I've read in a week!
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