The Nazis of WWII were socialists. The government owned everything. They guaranteed a certain level of income and jobs to all citizens. They practiced eugenics, which was a VERY HOT socialist belief during the 20's - 40's. American socialists idealized the Nazis and practiced their own eugenics operations, which included Planned Parenthood (to deal with what Margaret Sanger called "The Negro Problem"). The Nazi government controlled every aspect of the peoples lives down to when the trains ran. Personal ownership is a conservative principle, not a Liberal one. In the US now, they want to take control of our auto industry. LIBERALS think that the government should be completely in charge while CONSERVATIVES believe in small government. The Nazis were a LIBERAL SOCIALIST party. I'm sorry if that is offensive, but I didn't bring it up to be offensive, but to correct MirrorMirror. None of you are offended that he said they were a far right wing organization and he hasn't tried even once to support that position. Your faux outrage shows that you are being dishonest. "I can't believe Spider would call the Nazis liberals!!!!!!!" But you don't even blink when the Nazis are called Conservative Christians. I know that you are someone who loves to be offended, so feel free to be offended by my post.

Spider said;



Planned Parenthood is rooted in the courage and tenacity of American women and men willing to fight for women's health, rights, and equality. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, is one of the movement's great heroes. Sanger's early efforts remain the hallmark of Planned Parenthood's mission:

* providing contraception and other health services to women and men

* funding research on birth control and educating specialists and the public about the results

* advancing access to family planning in the United States and around the world

Women's progress in recent decades — in education, in the workplace, in political and economic power — can be directly linked to Sanger's crusade and women's ability to control their own fertility.

You believe what you will, I know what I know.

End of story.

You wanna be right? Be right in your own eyes if it makes you feel better, doesn't make it true though.

And just so you know: Look up the CSU, which is a current political party in Germany, CSU standing for Christian Socialist Union, and they are right winged, mind, not considered right winged, they are far right. So the Socialist in any party name doesn't mean a damn.

Margaret Sanger was a racist who specifically stated she was starting Planned Parenthood to deal with "The Negro Problem". She decided to put abortion clinics into poor neighborhoods and offer free abortions to people of color. 40% of all black babies conceived in the US are aborted every year, many of them by Planned Parenthood.

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…"
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"The unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' [is] the greatest present menace to civilization… the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying… a dead weight of human waste… an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"The procreation of [the diseased, the feeble-minded and paupers] should be stopped."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children..."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"[Mandatory] sterilization for [the insane and feeble-minded] is the answer."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood

None of that is a refutation or argument against my post. You simply try to color me as an ignorant bully. I'm right in my eyes, the eyes of history and the eyes of everyone who values the truth. You are right in the eyes of bigots (who hate Christianity and conservatives) and fools. Grats.

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him!

Perhaps you should go back and read the edited post?
The Social in the party name means absolutely nothing.

Wow, you quote an openly anti-Christian website. That's very strong proof! How about some proof from a scholastic or historical site?

Yes, but I was discussing their POLICIES, not their name. So your argument doesn't come close to refuting mine.

Spider what are we refuting exactly? I implore you. We have repeatedly shown quotes from objective sources and historical websites. I have posted excepts from Hitler's own speeches and also Mein Kampf which he himself dictated. Are you not able to refute these bits of historical reality? What do you want us to do here. Seamonster has also posted several photos which would undeniably show the link that Adolf Hitler had with both the Protestant and Catholic churches of the day in Germany. Even down to the insignia on the Gestapo uniforms and medals

I think he might have his Christian/Conservative blinders on.
He won't take them off, so you are not going anywhere.
He thinks he knows best, so I just let him think it. One day he will come to the information and ask himself how he could have been so blind.

And I have quoted Hitler from during WWII. My quotes show him reviling Christianity in private. Your quotes have all been PUBLIC. So why don't you try to be intellectually honest, hmmmm? How do you explain his quotes from private? To his top advisers? How do you explain those? I have explained his quotes from public, he was using Christianity to control racist Christians. How do you explain his statements made in private which were also dictated by him?

Also, sorry, but an anti-Christian website doesn't count as an "objective source".

That smiley face is clearly not a refutation Spider.

What was to refute? Her post was an ad hominem. Nothing to refute.

Well you keep claiming that we have to refute some argument you have made. I feel we have like ten times over now. Its just becoming ridiculous at this point. The photos were merely the last nail in the coffin.

We've gone over this. For those who continue to state that Hitler was a Catholic - by the same reasoning, this means that the United States is a Christian country - founded by an overwhelming group of individuals who were all openly devoted Chriatians. No Deists - Christians.

Let's see you use your "Hitler Catholic Logic" to disprove this, as every one of the founding fathers was at one time or another - a Christian.
And since this country was founded by Chriatians, it would follow that ID be taught in United States schools since that was the intention of the founding fathers.

This logic brought to you by the "Hitler was a Catholic" contingency.

Hitler wasn't even a German citizen when the Nazi's statred getting control of Germany. Are you checking out your facts?

Start by refuting this:

What difference would that make if he were backed by the churches?