But these are only the natural things, acts of God or Satan, they blanch in the face of MAN'S deeds to come, man's nonprimateness to man, the Government, my God the Endarkenment of the next century will be marked by the rise of OVERMEN, superior mutants, BETTER than us, handsomer, more muscular, brilliant like Shakespeare or Einstein, but evil, they can do everything better than we can, self-righteous man-made supermen, an unclean bunch of clowns who will tread too far into the accursed Forbidden Sciences and come back controlling Time but so addicted to doing so that they will lead the stewing broiling mass of humans into a technological Hell, WOTF, a war with Mars over a worm, Jesus Christ you must believe it will all begin in 1982 when all the planets, the Earth and the Sun, all line up with the dog star Sirius, the Silver Star, in 1998 it will draw the X-ists to us like flies to a dungdish, oh they won't stay long, they'll leave us, completely free to do as we please, but their unnameable "maggots" will remain.Diabolic caricatures, hideously silent, evasive, but always with us.WE WILL BE DOGS TO THEM in more ways than you can count.Yes, it will be bad, why do you think they call it Apocalypse??The Book of Revelations is an alien text, those space monsters know what they're about to do with us, they knew it 2000 years ago, but what they don't know any more than we do is what The Prescriptures mean when they darkly refer to THE RUPTURE, the cosmic vortex calamity after the biblical Apocalypse and somehow a godzillion times worse, Omicron Epsilon, yes REPENT!Repent and fornicate like your life depended on it but know all along that the cannibal False Prophets wait to sell you out at every trick turn, remember wherever you go that the pleasant, harmless looking human beings shopping all around you will quietly acquiesce to

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How are you ? there is even some truth in that, well you gotta be able to read between the lines,

Im afraid I would need to disagree with you on this and Im only basing it on historic reality. You actually mentioned for yourself why this nation was in fact NOT built on anything even remotely Christian. Our forefathers intentionally designed the Constitution so that there would be a "wall of separation" between church and state. They did this primarily because many of them were Deists and not Christians. That is why you see these anti-Christian sentiments being espoused by our forefathers. I already posted one by John Adams. He was the second president of the US. I could continue to post more if you like. I have done so on about three threads now as this is a topic I have researched to some extent.

The reason why these men wanted to enforce a separation and keep Christianity at bay as it related to the establishment of a new government and society was that we were attempting to break away from England and the concept of "divine authoritarian rule" which our forefathers had made a conscious effort to avoid.

"In God We Trust" is "Ceremonial Deism." What god are they referring to? Show me proof that it is related to Christianity or the god of the bible. Deists accept the concept of a "creator" that they generally refer to as "the god of nature". The same would apply to the Pledge of Allegiance. Do I need to remind you that many still argue over whether or not children should be forced to recite the pledge of allegiance in public schools that are funded by tax dollars? What if they were to change the line "One Nation Under God" to "One Nation Under Buddha"? I bet we would hear some whining out of you right wingers then huh? Get serious here. God is a VERY generic term. Snap on the news and crack a history book if you need a refresher course on any of this. When was the last time you were permitted to pray at work also?

Wouldnt us "political liberals" be in fact taking a stand when we remind you of these concepts and what this nation was truly built to uphold and sustain?

I rest my case your honor.

Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.


Article 11 The Treaty with Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

This leads me to reach the logical conclusion that the United States of America was in fact not at odds with any Islamic nation for 100s of years. It was only after we acquired a succession of right wing Christian presidents that the hostility steadily mounted.

I was referring to the animals on board the Ark. That is what this thread was initially addressing. Im not sure I understand one word of your comment there.

How many hours ago did you drop acid sharp?

No offense Sharp

This Nation was built on Christian Values Krimsa, our forefathers were Christian, many of them, they were escaping persecution and wanted all to worship as they desired, not just one church and one way as in England, Our money, still has In God we Trust on it. Our leaders prayed at that time before their meetings, Our pledge says Under God. The separation of Church and State has been totally taken out of proportian by anti christians and Politcally correct liberal that would rather tolerate anything than take a stand on something


I suggest you read more Thomas Jefferson. They don't come much more anti-Christian. Did you know that Jefferson took the Christian Bible and literally cut and pasted one together from it that more accurately espoused his Deist views? If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the Bible say he should be eternally damned for doing so with no hope of redemption?

As to those Christian Values(tm): which? Ones like slavery and running people off their ancestral lands?

And against whom was the Civil War fought and for what Christian purpose?


-Kerry O.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Are you saying that there were two earths?

I suggest you read more Thomas Jefferson. They don't come much more anti-Christian. Did you know that Jefferson took the Christian Bible and literally cut and pasted one together from it that more accurately espoused his Deist views? If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the Bible say he should be eternally damned for doing so with no hope of redemption?

As to those Christian Values(tm): which? Ones like slavery and running people off their ancestral lands?

And against whom was the Civil War fought and for what Christian purpose?


-Kerry O.


Yep, you are dead on balls accurate. Thomas Jefferson took scissors to his personal copy of the bible. He got rid of any sections that dealt with divination, prophecy, or mystical stuff because that just annoyed the b-jesus out of him. Pardon the expression.

These men (at least 6 of the higher profile founding fathers that I can name) were hardcore Deists in their beliefs. Benjamin Franklin was a scientist as you might recall. These men wanted nothing to do with any oppressive, dogmatic theologies and fought that agenda tooth and nail.

George Washington is also suspected to have been a Deist as many of his writings clearly espouse this philosophy. Maybe not for his entire life but we are discussing the formidable years when these men were creating a nation from scratch essentially. Its likely Washington was a Deists up until his death. Remember he was also a Freemason.

Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative."

Krimsa wrote:



Obviously history was not one of your strong points in school. Check out these quotes and qualify them with your statements about the founding fathers.

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the bible"
- George Washington -

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded... on the gospel of Jesus Christ"
- Patrick Henry -

"The bible is the cornerstone of liberty. Students' perusal of this sacred volume will make us better citizens"
- Thomas Jefferson -

"Whoever shall introduce into public life the principles of primitive christianity will change the face of the world"
- Benjamin Franklin -

"If we abide by the principles taught in the bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper. But if we neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell us how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity."
- Daniel Webster -

"That book, sir, is the Rock upon which our Republic rests"
- Andrew Jackson -


And on and on the quotes of our founding fathers go. You're just not looking at the words of the founders - but the opinions of those who's agenda is to attempt to rewrite history and eliminate christianity from the creation of the republic which these men created. All one need do is read the Declaration of independence to know that the Creator was a principle part of Jefferson's thinking and writing.

And as per my quote, I asked you to clearly show me where it is the Christian god or the god of the bible that is being discussed in any of your random and I may add taken out of context quotations. Notice on all of these I use nearly the entire paragraph. Not one sentence. Obviously you know that I am well versed in historical matters as it was I that you addressed to explain to you the basics of Paleontology. How quickly we forget. Any reputable historian who is not a Christian or simply trying to further that agenda understands that these Founding Fathers (at least 6 of the higher profile ones) were Deists and practiced "Ceremonial Deism". Clearly you understand the difference?

Here we go.

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."

Thomas Jefferson-to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

"I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did."

Benjamin Franklin in a letter to his father, 1738

"It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded against. by an entire abstinence of the Gov't from interference in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect against. trespasses on its legal rights by others."

James Madison, "James Madison on Religious Liberty",

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"

John Adams--letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

"The New Testament, they tell us, is founded upon the prophecies of the Old; if so, it must follow the fate of its foundation.''

Thomas Paine

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."

George Washington- - letter to Edward Newenham, 1792

This is an article from a treaty but I decided to throw it in for good measure.

Article 11 The Treaty with Tripoli

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

And Eljay sweetie, that Patrick Henry quote you cited I was totally unfamiliar with so a brief search located this.

A famous "quotation" by Patrick Henry:

The first apparent forgery that we ran across was a famous sentence allegedly written by Patrick Henry:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!"

An impressive statement. It certainly gives credence to the belief that the founders of America were all or predominately devout Christians. It is a popular quotation. A search for the phrase "this great nation was founded not by religionists" on www.google.com returned almost 1,000 hits! One common feature of most of the quotations is that they do not cite the source. We suspect that most webmasters have simply quoted the writings of other webmasters.

It turns out that Patrick Henry probably never said this. At least, nobody has been able to locate it in any of his surviving papers. It is almost certainly a forgery.

I could probably start going down your entire list of quotes if you like? Care for some fact checking sir?

If God created the world and everything in it her certainly would have no trouble building a boat!

I agree. If SHE indeed did create the world, than a stupid wooden Ark would certainly not be a problem. But then you had a man in charge of that. Thats why we are doubtful.

Noah was married so he wasn't in charge of anything. JMO

I would say that's not a real pic.

Its Buddy Christ man! Dont be disrespectful!