just sat down with some coffee, still reading and catchin up, wasn't trying to bash what you were saying, just felt like throwin that in,


Im not arguing with you but Im just saying, its not the point.

The point is that clearly its been demonstrated that this nation was not founded on anything even remotely to be considered Christian. However you choose to personally pray to yourself is not the issue.

Why cant a Christian sacrament be observed at your place of work?

That would be the question.

There are decent Christians. Dont get me wrong. Im not saying they are all psychopaths or violent. Its just the religion itself.

just sat down with some coffee, still reading and catchin up, wasn't trying to bash what you were saying, just felt like throwin that in,


Im not arguing with you but Im just saying, its not the point.

The point is that clearly its been demonstrated that this nation was not founded on anything even remotely to be considered Christian. However you choose to personally pray to yourself is not the issue.

Why cant a Christian sacrament be observed at your place of work?

That would be the question.
can't argue, one shouldn't preach at work , work is for work. If two like minded people want to talk of God or pray, they should be able to if it does not disrupt the workplace however. bottom line, workplace is for work and not preaching

Im speaking from a historical stand point sharp. Why are you not allowed to pray to a Christian deity at work? Or any god/goddess for that matter? What provision in our Constitution ratified by our Founding Fathers prohibits this? And why?

Krimsa wrote:



Our founding fathers felt it important to have separation between church and state...NOT because they were opposed to christianity....but because they were opposed at how religious fantics could use christianity as a religious rule.......as they did in the old country!!!

BUT that did NOT keep the founding fathers from believing this nation shouldn't be based on christian principles ....THE RIGTH CHRSITIAN PRINCIPLES....and become a chrisitian nation in the right sense of the word!!!!!

Which it what they did...and thanks to our founding fathers, we became a christian nation....IN THE RIGTH SENSE OF THE WORD...ALSO ALLOWING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR ALL......AND NOT JUST ONE RELIGION RULING OVER OTHERS WITH A RELIGIOUS TIGHT FIST, AS HAD HAPPENED IN THE MOTHER COUNTRY!

THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAW WHAT THE MOTHER COUNTRY ENGLAND WENT THRU BACK THEN, WITH RELIGION......
THEY DID NOT WANT TO REPEAT THIS MESS IN AMERICA!!

Hence....the allowing for religious freedom for all... yet still becoming a country based on the RIGHT christian principles..not RELIGIOUS RULE!!!

(((((Special Hugs for Sharpshooter and His Beloved Wife)))))

Sharpshooter, You Two have a Blessed Thanksgiving Now...

MS you cant have it both ways. Either we were founded as a Christian nation or we were not. Please demonstrate that these men were not Deists. I have provided plenty of supportive evidence to substantiate this claim. The Treaty with Tripoli was gravy. Look at the Constitution itself if you doubt this or continue to deny it even as its written in black and white before your eyes. Or simply dont understand. Take your pick. If the Christian Right Extremists wish to return this country to its beginnings, so be it, because it was a climate of Freethought. The Founders were students of the European Enlightenment. Half a century after the establishment of the United States, clergymen complained that no president up to that date had been a Christian. In a sermon that was reported in newspapers, Episcopal minister Bird Wilson of Albany, New York, protested in October 1831:

"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."

The attitude of the age was one of enlightened reason, tolerance, and free thought. The Founding Fathers would turn in their graves if the Christian Extremists had their way with this country.

Consider this: IF indeed the members of the First Continental Congress were all bible-believing, "God-fearing" men, would there ever have been a revolution at all?

I rest my case!

Krimsa prayers were taken out of school...can't pray now in the workforce.....we aren't allowed to have anything symbolic of chrisitmas anywhere now....there was a time even bibles were read in school (before my time)....and suddenly all this is taken away, and we are figting to remain a christian nation.

Now tell me Krimsa.....why woud we fight to remain a christian nation, if we weren't already .... before?


Have to run....Be Blessed now, Krimsa....

Because you never were. Its obviously a load of crap espoused by a right wing Christian Fundamentalist lunatic fringe group in this country. It is not endorsed or accepted by ANY reputable historian, Christian or otherwise. Even a historian who was Christian could clearly not enforce that agenda and be honest with himself or herself as demonstrated by the collective evidence and surviving documents from that time period.

Be well in whatever you choose to believe, fake or real.

I believe that Noah's ark was a starship

"Noah's Ark" is actually a bar in LA and its all decorated like how the ark would have been and they have plastic animals everywhere.

None that I can see

I will not get to be there for Thanksgiving, miss out on lots of good food. If I dont lease or sell my place soon, gonna go visit again around christmas and new years if I can. Hoping to have a lease with purchase option signed by then.

nothing wrong with allowing one to pray anywhere, only in forcing one to do so that chooses not to

or submarine

Did you graduate high school?

The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to the letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1948. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.

Did you graduate high school?

of course I did darlin', College even

Separation of Church and State is bought up it seems to me, by non believers that do not want others to have the FREEDOM to worship as they choose or to worship at all. I as a Christian have no problem if one doesn't choose to believe. I have a problem with those that tell me I can't.

I was asking because you stated that you could not answer a question that they begin teaching kids in 6th grade. Just curious. If you dont understand these concepts, then I cant rightfully debate them with you can I?

How can that be true if it is stated in the Constitution sharp. No one can practice their own religion in a public school that is funded by tax dollars or a place of public or civic office. If you owned your own business and you wanted to pray, you could. But you could not force your own employees to pray, nor fire or refuse to hire them based on their religious beliefs.

Aside from acknowledging these parameters, you could run around naked worshiping ice cream cones as far as the founding fathers were concerned.

So can you answer why we are not permitted to erect a nativity scene out on the front lawn of a Court House building?