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hey SKY, how you doing? Doin' pretty good, Tribo. Getting a little "over it" with the Billy Goat Gruff game here. One more and I think I'm done. I see you had your fill in the other one.   now now "Skyhook" none of this sour grapes stuff ...remember you left the religion so don't let your ostracization and ex-communication programs kick in |
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Krimsa
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Funches. It doesnt matter that the Theory of Evolution is a theory. Im not sure that is relevant. "Krisma" if it was irrelevant that a theory is called a theory then why would they call it a theory and not fact ..and that's why it is relevant..it is label as being a theory so people don't confuse it as being fact Many people consider it a fact for all intensive purposes or take the postilion that until something better comes along, that is their personal explanation for not only the origin of man, but all living organisms. until something better comes along??? ...I guess that what happen with "the world is flat" senerio .. Krisma just because there is no factual answer to a solution doesn't mean you should accept the best theoretical answer as being fact Many of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. Show me on any piece of American currency where it says "In the biblical God we Trust." Taken from the Treaty of Tripoli.June 7, 1797 Article 11 this country was founded by those of judeo-christian belief ..which means the God on the currency is referring to the bibical God aka Yahweh .. "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." maybe you don't remember that President Bush said that God Yahweh told him to attack Iraq that belongs to the God Allah As far as I know, the only people who claim the Theory of Evolution as fact are those that choose to accept it as fact. I am one of those people. That still does not make it comparable to a religious belief. You will need to explain it to me in another way I imagine. "Krisma" if you accept an unproven belief or theory as being fact then it amounts to a religious belief...aka truth without proof I dont understand your remark "that also applies to being Jewish" comment. you said that If you choose not to accept the theory of evolution there is no one to tell you that you will now burn in hell. and to display the religious version of your concept I said that also applies to being Jewish because they don't accept the concept of there being a hell Well many people do accept the theory of evolution as being truthful. So that is why I dont understand the point you are attempting to make there or the relevance. It is labeled a "theory" because technically, we cant know it to be irrefutable fact. We are dealing with what paleontologists speculate might have happened over the course of millions of years. You cant know and I cant know for certain. However, I can choose to weigh the two postulates. I can look at what scientists have to offer me in the manner of proof to substantiate evolutionary biology and I can compare that with what Christians maintain took place and decide based on the two theories. Well please offer me a better explanation for the origin of man. Be sure to cite your references. I think that was the point of me saying "until something better comes along". If tomorrow, the bones of Adam and Eve were to be unearthed, then I would consider Creationism and once again re-evaluate my position. Im not sure that religious folks have that option? And incidentally, it was the Church who initially took the position that the "earth is flat." Even the ancient Greeks had a conception of a global planet. Your statement that that this country was founded on Judeo- Christian beliefs and values is erroneous as demonstrated by my quote. I can continue to bring forth more evidence but only if you request it on this particular thread. I dont want to annoy anyone else. The only people who have a personal agenda to constantly assert that "this country was founded on Christian principles and indoctrination" are the right wing fundamentalists. Most who have cracked a history book understand this statement to be false. We were not discussing our current day president as far as I knew. Bush has always been a Christian and that was part of his platform. No. I said I accept the Theory of Evolution to be factual UNTIL something better comes along. That is NOT the same concept as accepting a premise on faith alone and with absolutely zero in the way of credible evidence to support it. Still not making the connection. Maybe on your next post? Well for the sake of argument, lets simply take the "Big Three" religions of the world. Those would include the Mediterranean derived philosophies of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. As a recurrent theme, these faiths have declared "their way as the ONE true way." All others being impostor religions. The Theory of Evolution makes no such claim nor pretends to occupy such a position. It simply is what it is. Take it or leave it. I have made the choice to take it for now.  |
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I have heard it said that God said, "Let there be light and there was this big bang and there was light." A mixture of the big bang theory and creationism. But God may have used a silencer and there wasn't a big bang.
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I have heard it said that God said, "Let there be light and there was this big bang and there was light." A mixture of the big bang theory and creationism. But God may have used a silencer and there wasn't a big bang. Rainbow do you ever get told you look a little like a younger Bill Clinton in that photo?
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Well many people do accept the theory of evolution as being truthful. surely those that believe in God outnumber those that believe in evolution ...so according to your reasoning everything in the bible is truthful So that is why I dont understand the point you are attempting to make there or the relevance. It is labeled a "theory" because technically, we cant know it to be irrefutable fact. and thats exactly why it's labeled a theory because it lack the sufficent proof to be call fact However, I can choose to weigh the two postulates. I can look at what scientists have to offer me in the manner of proof to substantiate evolutionary biology and I can compare that with what Christians maintain took place and decide based on the two theories. you are treating it like you have to accept one or the other...either religion or evolution ..this is unsually a result from someone that left a religion in haste Well please offer me a better explanation for the origin of man. Be sure to cite your references. well the explanation that "MirrorMirror" presented about Galactic Lord Xenu dropping nukes in a volcano sounds good I think that was the point of me saying "until something better comes along". If tomorrow, the bones of Adam and Eve were to be unearthed, then I would consider Creationism and once again re-evaluate my position. so you would just consider Creationism and not ponder how they would know that it was the actual bones of adam and eve which was found ....sounds like faith Your statement that that this country was founded on Judeo- Christian beliefs and values is erroneous as demonstrated by my quote. ok "Krisma" ..let's hear your version about the religion of those that founded this country No. I said I accept the Theory of Evolution to be factual UNTIL something better comes along. That is NOT the same concept as accepting a premise on faith alone and with absolutely zero in the way of credible evidence to support it. Still not making the connection. Maybe on your next post? you yourself just made the statement that you accept Evolution until something better comes alone ...which means your not exactly accepting it as fact but only as the most plausable explanation ...that makes it a belief and not fact Well for the sake of argument, lets simply take the "Big Three" religions of the world. Those would include the Mediterranean derived philosophies of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. As a recurrent theme, these faiths have declared "their way as the ONE true way." All others being impostor religions. The Theory of Evolution makes no such claim. except "Krimsa" it is you that are making the claim that the theory of evolution is the one true way by insisting that you except it as being fact and not just theory just like a religious person accept God as fact |
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I have heard it said that God said, "Let there be light and there was this big bang and there was light." A mixture of the big bang theory and creationism. But God may have used a silencer and there wasn't a big bang. I heard that the big bang was the end result from the gas generated by God after eating an old burrito |
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I have heard it said that God said, "Let there be light and there was this big bang and there was light." A mixture of the big bang theory and creationism. But God may have used a silencer and there wasn't a big bang. Rainbow do you ever get told you look a little like a younger Bill Clinton in that photo? Yes, I have now that you mention it.
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I have heard it said that God said, "Let there be light and there was this big bang and there was light." A mixture of the big bang theory and creationism. But God may have used a silencer and there wasn't a big bang. I heard that the big bang was the end result from the gas generated by God after eating an old burrito What you have heard could be right. I have read that God works in mysterious ways.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 10/25/08 08:24 AM
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Well many people do accept the theory of evolution as being truthful. surely those that believe in God outnumber those that believe in evolution ...so according to your reasoning everything in the bible is truthful So that is why I dont understand the point you are attempting to make there or the relevance. It is labeled a "theory" because technically, we cant know it to be irrefutable fact. and thats exactly why it's labeled a theory because it lack the sufficent proof to be call fact However, I can choose to weigh the two postulates. I can look at what scientists have to offer me in the manner of proof to substantiate evolutionary biology and I can compare that with what Christians maintain took place and decide based on the two theories. you are treating it like you have to accept one or the other...either religion or evolution ..this is unsually a result from someone that left a religion in haste Well please offer me a better explanation for the origin of man. Be sure to cite your references. well the explanation that "MirrorMirror" presented about Galactic Lord Xenu dropping nukes in a volcano sounds good I think that was the point of me saying "until something better comes along". If tomorrow, the bones of Adam and Eve were to be unearthed, then I would consider Creationism and once again re-evaluate my position. so you would just consider Creationism and not ponder how they would know that it was the actual bones of adam and eve which was found ....sounds like faith Your statement that that this country was founded on Judeo- Christian beliefs and values is erroneous as demonstrated by my quote. ok "Krisma" ..let's hear your version about the religion of those that founded this country No. I said I accept the Theory of Evolution to be factual UNTIL something better comes along. That is NOT the same concept as accepting a premise on faith alone and with absolutely zero in the way of credible evidence to support it. Still not making the connection. Maybe on your next post? you yourself just made the statement that you accept Evolution until something better comes alone ...which means your not exactly accepting it as fact but only as the most plausable explanation ...that makes it a belief and not fact Well for the sake of argument, lets simply take the "Big Three" religions of the world. Those would include the Mediterranean derived philosophies of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. As a recurrent theme, these faiths have declared "their way as the ONE true way." All others being impostor religions. The Theory of Evolution makes no such claim. except "Krimsa" it is you that are making the claim that the theory of evolution is the one true way by insisting that you except it as being fact and not just theory just like a religious person accept God as fact No I never said that. My point was that many people CHOOSE to accept The Theory of Evolution as either being factual or at least based in reality. That is a far cry from someone simply choosing to accept that Creationism is a legitimate premise without supportive evidence. The point still being that your insistence that evolutionary biology is merely a "theory" is irrelevant. Some people may refer to Creationism as a fairy tale. I would assert that it is the Christian Creation Mythology. No more or less credible than any other Creation Mythology found the world over. So,. Its a theory. Whats the problem? You either accept it or you dont. All I ask is that you thoroughly research its components before dismissing it. It is a complicated premise that does require critical thinking skills. I never once said you have to "accept" one or the other. On the contrary, as I already stated Creationism is but ONE mythology found the world over to explain the origin of man, the animal kingdom and the planet earth. I do not believe that any one of them is superior to another or more credible. Since I have never been a religious person myself, I dont know what it means exactly to "leave a religion in haste." I did not ask for Mirror Mirror's interpretation of the origin of man, I asked for yours. Mirror Mirror has many theories and he leaves himself open from my understanding and with my brief interactions with him. He can always correct me if Im wrong however. The point is that you are passing the direct question I posed to you, onto him. That was the point of the statement Funches. I would have no way of knowing if in fact the bones of Adam and Eve had been discovered or not. I would need to rely on the evidence and the theory behind the excavation before I rendered any decision or reached a conclusion. There are several threads in which I have discussed the Founding Fathers and the provisions for which this country was initially established. I will private message them to you as Its a thread in itself. Not to mention that you have not refuted my initial claim so at this point, it does not warrant me to support my position. No. I told you that I DO in fact accept the theory of evolution to be fact UNTIL something better comes along. You seem to be repeatedly missing the importance of the term "Until" I also made the point of explaining that I am able to pick and choose what I would personally designate as credible evidence. I dont think that all religions allow for this flexibility. I made the statement that I find the Theory of Evolution to be based in reliable evidence. I would never presume to insist that anyone else need accept it. In fact, I will sit here and debate the Theory of Evolution vs. Creationism until the cows come home unless you are entirely unfamiliar with my history on this forum? All I am hearing is that you choose not to accept the Theory of Evolution so because of that, you are now insisting that anyone who does find it to be valid or plausible is simply basing this in a religious "faith" context. As shown, this is an erroneous analogy. |
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This is . . . uhhh . . . nvm . . . . sigh . . . so instead of my making fun of you, I am going to ask a simple question. Hmm. Seems to me by your very first statement you went ahead and took the time to make fun of me. And you laughed at my musings. Nice try. Do you think since no one was at the seen of a crime there is no way to determine who did it? I think the number of people getting off of crimes do to DNA evidence would prove that question to be uh.. less than intelligent. But if that isn't enough, who was Jack the Ripper? ___________ The big bang says NOTHING about what happened before the singularity . . . so to infer any kind of first cause, or creator is totally made up. Exactly, science can't even explain why there was a singularity, so to believe that there wasn't a creator could also be "just made up" _____________ Creationism is NOT a scientific theory. To be a scientific theory is would need to be able to make predictions about why nature is the way it is based on the evidence of the theory. Never said anything about either being a scientific theory, only that both were just theory. I did say that neither could be proven to a 95% probablity. Creationism is basically giving up trying to understand the processes of nature. God did it is where it begins and ends. It explains nothing. No I just think religous fanatics get worried that someone might show them for the crackpots they are. I mean religion has had a long history of condeming scientific knowledge. Copernicous didn't even publish his findings that the sun is the center of the solar system until his death bed for fear of church reprisals. |
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"No I just think religous fanatics get worried that someone might show them for the crackpots they are. I mean religion has had a long history of condeming scientific knowledge. Copernicous didn't even publish his findings that the sun is the center of the solar system until his death bed for fear of church reprisals."
Roaming Orator An important statement and CAN NOT be over emphasized in my estimation. |
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"No I just think religous fanatics get worried that someone might show them for the crackpots they are. I mean religion has had a long history of condeming scientific knowledge. Copernicous didn't even publish his findings that the sun is the center of the solar system until his death bed for fear of church reprisals." Roaming Orator An important statement and CAN NOT be over emphasized in my estimation. Hey girl how you been?!? Long time no see. |
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"No I just think religous fanatics get worried that someone might show them for the crackpots they are. I mean religion has had a long history of condeming scientific knowledge. Copernicous didn't even publish his findings that the sun is the center of the solar system until his death bed for fear of church reprisals." Roaming Orator An important statement and CAN NOT be over emphasized in my estimation. Hey girl how you been?!? Long time no see. Im doing great! How have you been? Anything new or exciting? You can private message if you like.
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So,. Its a theory. Whats the problem? You either accept it or you dont. the only problem arises when you accept theory or belief as being fact then it verge on delusion ..just as you accept theory as fact but yet you dispute the Creationist for doing the same thing ...it's called tunnel vision There are several threads in which I have discussed the Founding Fathers and the provisions for which this country was initially established. "Krisma"...why as you afraid to just say the religion you believe this country was founded on ..do you think God will send a lightning bolt down or something ...just spill the beans |
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BIG BANG THEORY = GOD SAID & BANG IT WAS
(((((((((funch)))))))))) hey mister long time no see.... Hope life is being good to you |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 10/25/08 09:14 AM
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So,. Its a theory. Whats the problem? You either accept it or you dont. the only problem arises when you accept theory or belief as being fact then it verge on delusion ..just as you accept theory as fact but yet you dispute the Creationist for doing the same thing ...it's called tunnel vision There are several threads in which I have discussed the Founding Fathers and the provisions for which this country was initially established. "Krisma"...why as you afraid to just say the religion you believe this country was founded on ..do you think God will send a lightning bolt down or something ...just spill the beans You seem to no longer be addressing most of my points now. Are you getting tired Funches? Okay, feel free to call me delusional if I am choosing one theory over another as being more credible, reliable and factually based. I think it might be human nature to do this but if you prefer not to, more power to you. I guess I am simply a little more analytically minded. No harm, no foul. I have never once accused Christians or those who accept Creationism as fact as being wrong or incorrect in their faith based beliefs. That is the definition of faith in fact and one of the key elements in this particular debate you seem to be overlooking. It's almost as if you cant "see the forest through the trees." I will debate with Christians for as long as they want, the reasons why someone might find the driving concepts behind Creationism to be a little shaky to put it mildly. Funches I told you repeatedly. Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists and then I quoted Article 11 taken directly from the Treaty with Tripoli. I think it would be on you at this point to refute my supportive evidence. |
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BIG BANG THEORY = GOD SAID & BANG IT WAS God sounds like emeril .....bam (((((((((funch)))))))))) hey mister long time no see.... hey Pharoahcatlady my favorite bible thumper Hope life is being good to you yes life is good as I just here on the computer watching the movie "Halloween" waiting on Greasy food and beer night to start |
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Love it......always my fav to funch....
ahhhhhh ha on emril And greasy food and beer night sounds fun.....Have a blast doll... Ok back to the regular scheduled fighting....arr arr arr BIG BANG THEORY = GOD SAID & BANG IT WAS God sounds like emeril .....bam (((((((((funch)))))))))) hey mister long time no see.... hey Pharoahcatlady my favorite bible thumper Hope life is being good to you yes life is good as I just here on the computer watching the movie "Halloween" waiting on Greasy food and beer night to start |
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You seem to no longer be addressing most of my points now. Are you getting tired Funches? nah..ask Tribo and Skyhook they refer to me as being the energizer bunny ..but anyway most of your post you was answering your own questions or points Okay, feel free to call me delusional gee thanks Krisma ...no problem if I am choosing one theory over another as being more credible, reliable and factually based. I think it might be human nature to do this but if you prefer not to, more power to you. I guess I am simply a little more analytically minded. No harm, no foul. in nature it's called "Herd Mentality" ..in human nature it's called "Peer Pressure" I have never once accused Christians or those who accept Creationism as fact as being wrong or incorrect in their faith based beliefs. That is the definition of faith in fact and one of the key elements in this particular debate you seem to be overlooking. It's almost as if you cant "see the forest through the trees." I will debate with Christians for as long as they want, the reasons why someone might find the driving concepts behind Creationism to be a little shaky to put it mildly. that's the thing about claiming theory or beliefs as being truth...once you claim that your belief is truth you at that point condemn all other beliefs to be false Funches I told you repeatedly. Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists and then I quoted Article 11 taken directly from the Treaty with Tripoli. I think it would be on you at this point to refute my supportive evidence. "Krisma" and if you check you will find that the majority or the founding fathers was not "Deist" but were "Episcopalian".."Anglican" |
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No fighting Feral.
Its merely "controlled arguing"
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