Topic: Take Your Flag And Stove It
adj4u's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:22 PM
as long as anyone calls another a racist they are as racist as those they are referring to

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Fri 10/10/08 01:22 PM
Disrespect, I think, is a matter of intent. I think very few people actually intend on disrespecting you or your family history. flowerforyou


Etrain's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:22 PM
Ok, I have a Great Uncle that served in World War 2...German side...died in 1944...should I fly the Nazi flag to honor him???noway noway noway

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Fri 10/10/08 01:23 PM

Ok, I have a Great Uncle that served in World War 2...German side...died in 1944...should I fly the Nazi flag to honor him???noway noway noway


If you believe in your heart that it is a proper form of respect, go for it. There is such a thing as freedom of speech. You are free to express yourself and others are free not to like it flowerforyou

franshade's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:24 PM
Edited by franshade on Fri 10/10/08 01:24 PM
I think people give others too much damn responsibility - why should anyone other than yourself be held liable for how or what you feel???

*disclaimer - just my opinion*

adj4u's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:24 PM
Edited by adj4u on Fri 10/10/08 01:30 PM

Disrespect, I think, is a matter of intent. I think very few people actually intend on disrespecting you or your family history. flowerforyou





i doubt if many even know them it is a persecution complex issue

i have never meet a slave holder

and slavery was not started by whites -- they only expanded it from those that enslaved their own race

enderra's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:25 PM




Yes, I would be the first to fly a peace, united human race flag, were one ever to exist.

What I am saying is why is it ok for jewish people to be offended by the use of the swastika and for everyone to get why the people who use it are racist? But oh no the confederate flag should be respected.


It's all an assumption like the one regarding the American Flag, the Gay Pride Flag, the Confederate Flag. We assume therefore it must be

All just material - it's how 'we individually' define then and place value on them that makes us stay stagnant and incapable of moving on and upward.

jmo
Good for you that you are so unconcerned with the reality of today, but until the people that worship that symbol give it up I will be there to call them racist. For my ancestors were victimized by them and SHOULD BE RESPECTED not that symbol


How are you respecting their memories, by instigating and continually perpetrating negativity?

Dont misunderstand I live and am an active member of the real world. I worship no one, and certainly not a piece of fabric.


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?

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Fri 10/10/08 01:25 PM

as long as anyone calls another a racist they are as racist as those they are referring to



How come?

Etrain's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:27 PM


Ok, I have a Great Uncle that served in World War 2...German side...died in 1944...should I fly the Nazi flag to honor him???noway noway noway


If you believe in your heart that it is a proper form of respect, go for it. There is such a thing as freedom of speech. You are free to express yourself and others are free not to like it flowerforyou

fascinating...so hell with everyone else...even if it hurts others...people that lost family in the Holocaust??? I see...very interestingsmokin

adj4u's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:28 PM





Yes, I would be the first to fly a peace, united human race flag, were one ever to exist.

What I am saying is why is it ok for jewish people to be offended by the use of the swastika and for everyone to get why the people who use it are racist? But oh no the confederate flag should be respected.


It's all an assumption like the one regarding the American Flag, the Gay Pride Flag, the Confederate Flag. We assume therefore it must be

All just material - it's how 'we individually' define then and place value on them that makes us stay stagnant and incapable of moving on and upward.

jmo
Good for you that you are so unconcerned with the reality of today, but until the people that worship that symbol give it up I will be there to call them racist. For my ancestors were victimized by them and SHOULD BE RESPECTED not that symbol


How are you respecting their memories, by instigating and continually perpetrating negativity?

Dont misunderstand I live and am an active member of the real world. I worship no one, and certainly not a piece of fabric.


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



how do you know they held slaves

very few southerners held slaves and even lower percentage of confederate soldiers had slaves

adj4u's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:30 PM
because they are assuming they are acting the way they are because of the difference in race

thus this makes them a racist as well

damnitscloudy's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:31 PM





Yes, I would be the first to fly a peace, united human race flag, were one ever to exist.

What I am saying is why is it ok for jewish people to be offended by the use of the swastika and for everyone to get why the people who use it are racist? But oh no the confederate flag should be respected.


It's all an assumption like the one regarding the American Flag, the Gay Pride Flag, the Confederate Flag. We assume therefore it must be

All just material - it's how 'we individually' define then and place value on them that makes us stay stagnant and incapable of moving on and upward.

jmo
Good for you that you are so unconcerned with the reality of today, but until the people that worship that symbol give it up I will be there to call them racist. For my ancestors were victimized by them and SHOULD BE RESPECTED not that symbol


How are you respecting their memories, by instigating and continually perpetrating negativity?

Dont misunderstand I live and am an active member of the real world. I worship no one, and certainly not a piece of fabric.


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



Not everyone who fought with the Confederates were slave holders or even thought bad about black people. Slavery has been around since the birth of humans, so blaming one group of humans to justify your hate makes as much sense as hating pepsi products because you dislike the color schemes on the cans.

Regardless i know i cannot get you to listen to reason because you are wallowing in hatred of people, so i shall give up the fight and go be productive.

adj4u's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:31 PM
who is voting for a one world govt here


some post would lead one to think so

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

franshade's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:33 PM

Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



misread your post the first time - had to reread -your definition of honoring your ancestors and mine are quite different (no surprise there waving)

I honor my ancestors by making sure to keep their memories alive and fresh. Not by sharing, instilling or teaching hatred or dislike.

But I am open to the stories of others, I am willing to learn, research, find out, I respect the stories of others, however, I am not swayed by most stories.

The only things that can affect us are those we allow :thumbsup:

enderra's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:33 PM






Yes, I would be the first to fly a peace, united human race flag, were one ever to exist.

What I am saying is why is it ok for jewish people to be offended by the use of the swastika and for everyone to get why the people who use it are racist? But oh no the confederate flag should be respected.


It's all an assumption like the one regarding the American Flag, the Gay Pride Flag, the Confederate Flag. We assume therefore it must be

All just material - it's how 'we individually' define then and place value on them that makes us stay stagnant and incapable of moving on and upward.

jmo
Good for you that you are so unconcerned with the reality of today, but until the people that worship that symbol give it up I will be there to call them racist. For my ancestors were victimized by them and SHOULD BE RESPECTED not that symbol


How are you respecting their memories, by instigating and continually perpetrating negativity?

Dont misunderstand I live and am an active member of the real world. I worship no one, and certainly not a piece of fabric.


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



how do you know they held slaves

very few southerners held slaves and even lower percentage of confederate soldiers had slaves
you are right, they were and still are po white trash and that is why they are so hateful, they have nothing to show for themselves despite the fact they are white Oh yeah, 95% of the population in Mississippi was Black at the end of the civil war wonder what it is now Y'all can have your south.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:33 PM





Yes, I would be the first to fly a peace, united human race flag, were one ever to exist.

What I am saying is why is it ok for jewish people to be offended by the use of the swastika and for everyone to get why the people who use it are racist? But oh no the confederate flag should be respected.


It's all an assumption like the one regarding the American Flag, the Gay Pride Flag, the Confederate Flag. We assume therefore it must be

All just material - it's how 'we individually' define then and place value on them that makes us stay stagnant and incapable of moving on and upward.

jmo
Good for you that you are so unconcerned with the reality of today, but until the people that worship that symbol give it up I will be there to call them racist. For my ancestors were victimized by them and SHOULD BE RESPECTED not that symbol


How are you respecting their memories, by instigating and continually perpetrating negativity?

Dont misunderstand I live and am an active member of the real world. I worship no one, and certainly not a piece of fabric.


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



Intellectually you could say that racism is a form of sterotyping. This falls under the catagory of over simplification, which is the direct result from ASSUMING things. When someone hangs a flag to respect a fallen relative who fought for what he or she believes in, and you translated that a different way, you are ASSUMING that your way is correct, and the person making the statement is wrong. How silly is this?

Racism is a form of hate. Yes? What good does it do to combat it with more hate? When you breed hatred, even towards racism, not only are you thinking irrationally,but you are merely fueling the very fire yousupposedly want to put out.

no photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:35 PM

because they are assuming they are acting the way they are because of the difference in race

thus this makes them a racist as well


So, if I were to state that a member of the KKK was racist, or someone using a swastika on something was racist, that would make me racist as well?

no photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:35 PM


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



I don't believe anyone is saying that slavery was not a loathsome and disgusting piece of world history (still is in parts of Africa and Asia). However, slavery was practiced by about 10% of the people who actually fought in the civil war. Which means that about 90% of the people who fought did NOT own slaves and most of them disagreed with it themselves. There were many, many reasons for the war, slavery being a part of it, yes, but it was not the only reason. Slavery as an institution was dying and would have ended on its own sooner rather than later regardless of the war. Most southerners, if they believed they were fighting for the right of an "elite" few to keep their slaves, would never have fought in the war.

I am NOT by any means defending slavery, it was and is vile. I do however take offense that you assume that everyone southerner is racist and that everyone who has a different viewpoint is racist. Isn't that just perpetuating the cycle? Every single person I know who has the southern cross as a flag, tattoo or whatever, racism has never crossed their minds. Should it? Perhaps. We should all be a little more culturally aware. But, it is virtually impossible to be sensitive to everyone's prejudices, discomfort and whatever else. We all need to be free to live and let live.

franshade's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:36 PM







Yes, I would be the first to fly a peace, united human race flag, were one ever to exist.

What I am saying is why is it ok for jewish people to be offended by the use of the swastika and for everyone to get why the people who use it are racist? But oh no the confederate flag should be respected.


It's all an assumption like the one regarding the American Flag, the Gay Pride Flag, the Confederate Flag. We assume therefore it must be

All just material - it's how 'we individually' define then and place value on them that makes us stay stagnant and incapable of moving on and upward.

jmo
Good for you that you are so unconcerned with the reality of today, but until the people that worship that symbol give it up I will be there to call them racist. For my ancestors were victimized by them and SHOULD BE RESPECTED not that symbol


How are you respecting their memories, by instigating and continually perpetrating negativity?

Dont misunderstand I live and am an active member of the real world. I worship no one, and certainly not a piece of fabric.


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



how do you know they held slaves

very few southerners held slaves and even lower percentage of confederate soldiers had slaves
you are right, they were and still are po white trash and that is why they are so hateful, they have nothing to show for themselves despite the fact they are white Oh yeah, 95% of the population in Mississippi was Black at the end of the civil war wonder what it is now Y'all can have your south.


gee wheeee louise - so condencending

happy Friday all

have a great weekend

drinker

enderra's photo
Fri 10/10/08 01:36 PM


Because I refuse to let them created a fiction of what their ancestors did and so make it alright! How can you justify you family as being noble to fight for "states rights" while they were with- holding basic human rights of others. How can you not get how disgusting and loathesome that is?



misread your post the first time - had to reread -your definition of honoring your ancestors and mine are quite different (no surprise there waving)

I honor my ancestors by making sure to keep their memories alive and fresh. Not by sharing, instilling or teaching hatred or dislike.

But I am open to the stories of others, I am willing to learn, research, find out, I respect the stories of others, however, I am not swayed by most stories.

The only things that can affect us are those we allow :thumbsup:

I an not the one teaching hatred, they are by insisting on glorifying a past that they should be, hell all americans should be ashamed of.