Topic: Take Your Flag And Stove It
enderra's photo
Sat 10/11/08 07:05 AM



king in his famous speech said I have a dream...that means to look forward...but how can the black move forward when ya'll are still stuck in the past...that means the man died for nothing...he shed his blood for you to whine and complain ***** and moan about a flag...come on now...
you move forward and bury that flag, then get back to me. I should forget my heritage but you can keep waving yours.


Because, whether we like it or not they have the right to do that. Hell, Skin heads, KKK, etc all have the right to form parades etc. Just because we don't like what they do doesnt make it illegal.
so then you agree I have the right to speak also?

moonlight_ride62's photo
Sat 10/11/08 07:06 AM
Edited by moonlight_ride62 on Sat 10/11/08 07:07 AM


I think it is soooo funny when people don't realize they are the problem...and like to balme others for whatever they think it unjust or unfair...
That's right you are the problem because you refuse to put yourself in other peoples shoes. It would be so much more comfortable for us to remain silent, like all those good negros you grew up with. Wrong is Wrong.


no one wants you to be silent...you are coming across as poor little me pity me cuz I am black...you have no right to be pitied I thought you wanted you be equal...no you wanna be pitied...sorry there are others to have to feed other than your warped ego...

enderra's photo
Sat 10/11/08 07:10 AM



I think it is soooo funny when people don't realize they are the problem...and like to balme others for whatever they think it unjust or unfair...
That's right you are the problem because you refuse to put yourself in other peoples shoes. It would be so much more comfortable for us to remain silent, like all those good negros you grew up with. Wrong is Wrong.


no one wants you to be silent...you are coming across as poor little me pity me cuz I am black...you have no right to be pity I thought you wanted you be equal...no you wanna be pitied...sorry there are others to have to feed other than your warped ego...
Let me be clear, I don't feel sorry for who I am and part of me is you, or white, I feel that we are our brothers keeper, I endeavor to treat people as I want to be treated. But I will understand no circumstances "Go quietly " You obviously don't think I am equal that is your mistake. As for Ego, at least I don't have to build mine up from the blood of my poor relatives.

moonlight_ride62's photo
Sat 10/11/08 07:11 AM
I am done here hate all you want die hating it is still not gonna make me bring down what is my right...it will how ever make you a bitter person so it is your choice...have a great day...

moonlight_ride62's photo
Sat 10/11/08 07:12 AM




I think it is soooo funny when people don't realize they are the problem...and like to balme others for whatever they think it unjust or unfair...
That's right you are the problem because you refuse to put yourself in other peoples shoes. It would be so much more comfortable for us to remain silent, like all those good negros you grew up with. Wrong is Wrong.


no one wants you to be silent...you are coming across as poor little me pity me cuz I am black...you have no right to be pity I thought you wanted you be equal...no you wanna be pitied...sorry there are others to have to feed other than your warped ego...
Let me be clear, I don't feel sorry for who I am and part of me is you, or white, I feel that we are our brothers keeper, I endeavor to treat people as I want to be treated. But I will understand no circumstances "Go quietly " You obviously don't think I am equal that is your mistake. As for Ego, at least I don't have to build mine up from the blood of my poor relatives.


I really feel sorry for you..at first I was angry but now I feel sad that you just don't get it...maybe one day you will maybe you won't

enderra's photo
Sat 10/11/08 07:13 AM

I am done here hate all you want die hating it is still not gonna make me bring down what is my right...it will how ever make you a bitter person so it is your choice...have a great day...
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN I DON"T HATE ANYONE!!!!

no photo
Sat 10/11/08 08:17 AM
Enderra,

I've read some of your other posts, you are by no means an ignorant person. I've also read some of your poems and creative writings, which lead me to believe that you are a person of great depth.

This is by no means anything to "attack" you or your beliefs or your COLOR by any shape form or fashion, but the person who wrote the other posts, doesn't seem like the same person here.

What did you hope to accomplish by posting this? Was it to enlightened those you feel were ignorant of what your ancestors dealt with or that the confederate flag was perceived as racist to all black people? If so, IMO, you will NEVER achieve any enlightenment by becoming the very thing you cry out so loudly against...and that's a racist. I don't consider myself one, but some of your comments, I have PERCEIVED as being very racist!

I've never done it, but my brother traced my ancestors and they came here as INDENTURED servants...that's nothing but a fancy name for slavery. They had to work until they had "paid" for their trip here and how was it decided how much work they had to do that would "pay" for their trip to this land?

Do you want the confederate flag wiped out totally because some people perceive it as racist? It won't happen...some people don't perceive it that way and those who do are usually narrow minded people who wouldn't change their beliefs no matter how many facts were put in front of them.

Do you want an apology from every white person? I won't apologize for something I didn't do, had no control over, and would not have participated in, had I been there and given a choice.

Some of your comments, I PERCEIVED as blanket comments. Not all white people are racist, not all confederate flag wavers believe it to stand as a semblence of slavery, not all southerners are racist.

I don't like cliches, but I'll use this one. You'll catch more flies with honey then you ever will with vinegar and some of your remarks, I, and I'm speaking for only myself, perceive them as being full of vinegar.




enderra's photo
Sat 10/11/08 11:15 AM
I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.

crm1068's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:01 PM
Edited by crm1068 on Sat 10/11/08 12:05 PM
I cautiously step into to this thread to state only that the swastika was given that stigma by fanatics, it wasn't born with it. Symbols are used for many reasons, right or wrong. The confedrate flag has many social stigmas associated with it.

The swastika is an ancient religous symbol still in use in many parts of the world by Bhudist and Hindus.

People's perception of symbols and flags are their own and should be respected.

Hope I didn't offend anyone:smile:

(Sorry for the crappy spelling)

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:05 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 10/11/08 12:20 PM
:banana: Your right Enderra.:banana: Im with you.:banana: Don't let these people try to reverse this on you.:banana:The confederate flag is a symbol of evil.:banana: This is NOT subjective. :banana: It is an objective fact and you have the facts on your side darling.:banana: You dont have to go sit quietly no more.:banana: Im with you darling.:banana:



flowers You go girlflowers The Lord is with youflowers

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:08 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 10/11/08 12:18 PM

Enderra,

I've read some of your other posts, you are by no means an ignorant person. I've also read some of your poems and creative writings, which lead me to believe that you are a person of great depth.

This is by no means anything to "attack" you or your beliefs or your COLOR by any shape form or fashion, but the person who wrote the other posts, doesn't seem like the same person here.

What did you hope to accomplish by posting this? Was it to enlightened those you feel were ignorant of what your ancestors dealt with or that the confederate flag was perceived as racist to all black people? If so, IMO, you will NEVER achieve any enlightenment by becoming the very thing you cry out so loudly against...and that's a racist. I don't consider myself one, but some of your comments, I have PERCEIVED as being very racist!

I've never done it, but my brother traced my ancestors and they came here as INDENTURED servants...that's nothing but a fancy name for slavery. They had to work until they had "paid" for their trip here and how was it decided how much work they had to do that would "pay" for their trip to this land?

Do you want the confederate flag wiped out totally because some people perceive it as racist? It won't happen...some people don't perceive it that way and those who do are usually narrow minded people who wouldn't change their beliefs no matter how many facts were put in front of them.

Do you want an apology from every white person? I won't apologize for something I didn't do, had no control over, and would not have participated in, had I been there and given a choice.

Some of your comments, I PERCEIVED as blanket comments. Not all white people are racist, not all confederate flag wavers believe it to stand as a semblence of slavery, not all southerners are racist.

I don't like cliches, but I'll use this one. You'll catch more flies with honey then you ever will with vinegar and some of your remarks, I, and I'm speaking for only myself, perceive them as being full of vinegar.




huh Your all wrong.:smile: Indentured servitutde was nothing like slavery.:smile: How would you like to be raped whenever you owner felt like it,and watch your children be sold and molested and murdered and raped for hundreds of years?huh Over and over and over again?huh You CANT understand how that feels.:smile: You cant understand what that is to tell your children down thru the generations and what that means.:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:10 PM

I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.
flowerforyou It stands for the same thing: EVILpitchfork

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:16 PM




I think it is soooo funny when people don't realize they are the problem...and like to balme others for whatever they think it unjust or unfair...
That's right you are the problem because you refuse to put yourself in other peoples shoes. It would be so much more comfortable for us to remain silent, like all those good negros you grew up with. Wrong is Wrong.


no one wants you to be silent...you are coming across as poor little me pity me cuz I am black...you have no right to be pity I thought you wanted you be equal...no you wanna be pitied...sorry there are others to have to feed other than your warped ego...
Let me be clear, I don't feel sorry for who I am and part of me is you, or white, I feel that we are our brothers keeper, I endeavor to treat people as I want to be treated. But I will understand no circumstances "Go quietly " You obviously don't think I am equal that is your mistake. As for Ego, at least I don't have to build mine up from the blood of my poor relatives.
laugh Amenlaugh

flowerforyou Why do all these white people gotta start talking about their ancestors whenever someone brings up slavery, as if that somehow means something? huh Think about it.:smile: Why do they feel that connection to the past?huh Why do they automatically feel that they must defend themselves?huh If they werent there, and they did not participate, then why do they have to "explain" these things?huh So considering that so many of them draw pride from their ancestors, then what are they saying about others who's ancestors were slaves?huh What are they implying?flowerforyou

crm1068's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:24 PM


I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.
flowerforyou It stands for the same thing: EVILpitchfork


Again that is your perception and I fully understand.

To my many friends who are Buddhists it means something different. Facing to the right it represents strength and intelligence, facing to the left it means love and mercy. In Chinese it can be used to identify something as vegetarian.


MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:31 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 10/11/08 12:37 PM



I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.
flowerforyou It stands for the same thing: EVILpitchfork


Again that is your perception and I fully understand.

To my many friends who are Buddhists it means something different. Facing to the right it represents strength and intelligence, facing to the left it means love and mercy. In Chinese it can be used to identify something as vegetarian.


laugh And again you would be wrong laugh LOLlaugh

Swastika = Satanic Evil

Confederate Flag = Satanic Evil



drinks Burn Burn Burn confederate flag burn.drinks Burn them all.drinks

damnitscloudy's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:32 PM





I think it is soooo funny when people don't realize they are the problem...and like to balme others for whatever they think it unjust or unfair...
That's right you are the problem because you refuse to put yourself in other peoples shoes. It would be so much more comfortable for us to remain silent, like all those good negros you grew up with. Wrong is Wrong.


no one wants you to be silent...you are coming across as poor little me pity me cuz I am black...you have no right to be pity I thought you wanted you be equal...no you wanna be pitied...sorry there are others to have to feed other than your warped ego...
Let me be clear, I don't feel sorry for who I am and part of me is you, or white, I feel that we are our brothers keeper, I endeavor to treat people as I want to be treated. But I will understand no circumstances "Go quietly " You obviously don't think I am equal that is your mistake. As for Ego, at least I don't have to build mine up from the blood of my poor relatives.
laugh Amenlaugh

flowerforyou Why do all these white people gotta start talking about their ancestors whenever someone brings up slavery, as if that somehow means something? huh Think about it.:smile: Why do they feel that connection to the past?huh Why do they automatically feel that they must defend themselves?huh If they werent there, and they did not participate, then why do they have to "explain" these things?huh So considering that so many of them draw pride from their ancestors, then what are they saying about others who's ancestors were slaves?huh What are they implying?flowerforyou


I have a direct connection, my grandfather's diary. Its like reading history of yourself, or reading about where you came from. I like to re-read the diary's of myself from back when i was 13 and being scared of middle school, and seeing how i came out now. Its like a spiritual journey of sorts drinker

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Sat 10/11/08 12:38 PM




I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.
flowerforyou It stands for the same thing: EVILpitchfork


Again that is your perception and I fully understand.

To my many friends who are Buddhists it means something different. Facing to the right it represents strength and intelligence, facing to the left it means love and mercy. In Chinese it can be used to identify something as vegetarian.


laugh And again you would be wrong laugh LOLlaugh

Swastika = Satanic Evil

Confederate Flag = Satanic Evil


Wow, such quickness to label what's evil. Now you're thinking like the closed minded conservatives that you despise so much...:wink:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:40 PM





I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.
flowerforyou It stands for the same thing: EVILpitchfork


Again that is your perception and I fully understand.

To my many friends who are Buddhists it means something different. Facing to the right it represents strength and intelligence, facing to the left it means love and mercy. In Chinese it can be used to identify something as vegetarian.


laugh And again you would be wrong laugh LOLlaugh

Swastika = Satanic Evil

Confederate Flag = Satanic Evil


Wow, such quickness to label what's evil. Now you're thinking like the closed minded conservatives that you despise so much...:wink:
:smile: I dont despise Conservatives.:smile: This is not a conservative/liberal issue.:smile: It is a good/evil issue. :smile:

crm1068's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:42 PM




I have no interest in catching anything. It was a statement and with any luck that flag will carry the same stigma as the swastika.
flowerforyou It stands for the same thing: EVILpitchfork


Again that is your perception and I fully understand.

To my many friends who are Buddhists it means something different. Facing to the right it represents strength and intelligence, facing to the left it means love and mercy. In Chinese it can be used to identify something as vegetarian.


laugh And again you would be wrong laugh LOLlaugh

Swastika = Satanic Evil

Confederate Flag = Satanic Evil


I may be wrong about your perception, because I don't know you and can only take you at your word. What I think that you are saying is that you beleive the swastika is a symbol of evil. Did I mis-understand?

I am also saying that others beleive it to represent the opposite. This my friend is a fact.

:wink:


MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:45 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sat 10/11/08 12:49 PM
:smile:This isnt directed at anyone here but I would just like to paraphrase some of my abolitionist heroes.:smile:

I will show you that slavery is wrong.

I will show you that slavery is wrong by the laws of man.

I will show you slavery is wrong by the Laws Of GOD.

And if that don't work,

I will show you slavery is wrong with my fists,my knives, and my guns.