your taking things meant symbolically to be literal - my dear friend, keep reading chiltons book and you will discaover what you ask of me - i'm to lazy to look it up hahaha.

are you aware of what happened at the time of the desruction of jerusalem and all that was seen back then my Jocephas antipas?? read his war years if not you will think differently.

shalom

good answer. It shows Yahshua coming back to fight at jerusalem and that is symbolic. No rain for any poeple who do not come up before the king every Feast of Tabernacles. Is symbolic.

I know you are cherokee guess thats where your rain dance comes in Shalom..Miles

chilton is a fraud. He made money off his books. and Landed you hook line and sinker.. thats symboliic Tribo..Blessings..Miles

sorry my friend chiltons dead, i only use hook line and sinker for fishing - if you have come to that conclusion thugh then i will not try to persuade you to read it. good luck with your mission - dunt,dunt, du na dunt dunt, duna dunt dunt this tape will destruct in 30 seconds -

I read some of it and saw things i saw wrong right off the bat. Like in the preface getting the reader to forget about certain things for his therory to fit. A scientist does not give a talk and say well this is what we found. npw before we start u have to relize that gravity is a myth. when you do that you will see that we are right.. Whhaaattt????/Miles

it's all a lie

There is a great divide between the futurist camp and the preterist unfortunately, you have to understand he is trying to get them to put aside their futurist concepts taught by Darby, scofield, moody and others about the teachings of the dispensations - the 7 ages of the Church, there are only 2 dispensations - the old covenant [testament] and the new covenant [testament] period. If your not a futurist evangelical i could see where this may put you off - but to throw the baby out with the bathwater is never a good thing. but like i say i will let you believe as you will - i by no means am a believer in either.

In both instances your talking of a time - Zeck - 520 BC and MAL; is also BC all of what you state is to fall upon jerusalem in AD 70 - the problem is in the figurative language used, both here and through out the old testament as well as by jesus and especially john in revelations which all knit perfectly together if you study them my friend. your taking things that signify and trying to make them literal - melting tongues and eye sockets and such are symbols not literal things that take place or will take place unless you believe as the futurist do like lindsey who treats this as an atomic or nuclear event - is that what you think also? hmmm.

Tribo thier are tons of places the scriptures speaks of our time. Even Daniel speaking of knowledge being increased.

All this time things have been about the same. The 100 years ago things started moving then tech. has gotten faster and faster every minute.

You need to come out of that dream you are in and wake up. Is that REM sleep? Shalom..Miles

[stretch] ah had a good nights sleep my freind.

now with my mind afresh and the birds chirping and a cup of hot coffee by my side i will breifly reply - the book doesnt way a "ton" yet alone ton's - But even you must realize that allthe old testament prophecies came before the destruction in AD 70Correct? Why of course you do.

That said i'm not saying "ALL" prophecy is for AD 70, just those things about the end of the age - the end of the first covenant, from that point on it is the new covenant [testament].

I wish at this time to thank each and every one of those who have spent countless hours proving the point I stated on the OP. Go back and read from the begining, and you will find that the only good that has come from this is, that if you will learn, This thread is a fine example of humanity,,,Mathew 5:37. God bless you all, and have a great day!

Who proved your point and when did you make one? I think Tribo and Miles have been debating this topic for quite some time and they are both highly knowledgeable of the subject matter. That is my observation.

not worth responding to!

MATT 5:37? hmmm - more "out of context" remarks huh? when read alone your thought on this would make sense but when read in context with the rest of what jesus states it does not hold water, this has to do with swearing, giving oaths to god or other things, not with just keeping your communication to Yea and nay - if that was the case then jesus himself sinned and the apostles and all others. Please keep things in context when using them to try and show something, thnx.

do you have any thought s of your own?

Well? What point have you made? Should be easily quoted right? Please show where you have offered anything viable to this conversation as it relates to the other participants. I find your insistence that Miles and Tribo have somehow "made your points" an inaccurate depiction of events unless you can show me.

Yahweh's plan of Redemption is in the Feasts and Sabbath.

The sabbath of rest preceeds by the preparation day. We are told that the 7th thousandth year ie the Year of Rest when Yahshua will rule this earthThe feast days fullfillment started at Yahshua's death. The lamb of Yahweh that takes away the sins of the world.

7Then the High Holy day that symbolizes coming out of sin and looking at our leaven we have in us. The doctrine of the pharasees being looked and and getting rid of what is not of yahweh.

The 7th day of this feast is also a High Holy Day. When we come back into the world freshly anew a new beginning of living or trying to live a sinless life without the leaven or doctrine that was against us.

As I have said before that the High Priest after the 1st weekly sabbath after the High Holy Day that goes before Yahweh and waves the Wave Sheah offering. For himself and then for the people.

Yahshua waved it for the people symbolizing the firstfruits of his people to come.

50 days after that on a sunday is the High Holy day of Firstfruits when

Lev 23:15-16

'And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to Yahweh.
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Thia Yahshua did for the people to start the count to Pente-cost (pente=50)


50 days later the feast of firstfruits. The Holy spirit came making us the Harvest now becoming the firstfruits to life Eternal. In which Yahshua waves symbolically the New Firstfruits before Yahweh as an Offerein made without hands.


Thats as far as prpohecy has gotten.

The rest of the feast days our for our time.

The disciples spoke of this because the next Feast is the feast of Trumpets. This is a sounding of an alarm to his people that redemption is around the corner.

He who would save his life will lose and he who will lose his life will save it.

Yahshua talked about watching for you know not what hour he comes.

Mark 13:35-37
35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming — in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning — 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch !"
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Luke 21:34-36

"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
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Matt 24:42-43
42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Master is coming.
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Luke 17:31-36

31 "In that day, he who is on the housetop , and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."
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Many times we are told to watch. Watch when. Watch for what?

The new Moon starts all the High Holy Days and or the count to them.You blow the Trumpet at the New Moon as it is the beginning of the month

Ps 81:3-5

3 Blow the trumpet at the time of the New Moon ,
At the full moon, on our solemn feast day.
4 For this is a statute for Israel,
A law of the Elohim of Jacob.
5 This He established in Joseph as a testimony,
When He went throughout the land of Egypt,
Where I heard a language I did not understand.
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Earlier he spoke about being on the housetops. This is how they communicated the New Moon had been sighted. Runners would go upon the mountain tops and bloww the shofar when they say the new moon inturn all over israel shofars would be blown. So talking about being on your housetop was a common practice at this time.

The next feast which is called the Feasts of the 7th Month because the 1st month starts after the Barley has been seen growing. The next New Moon would start the Year.

The Feast of Trumpets is on the 1st day of the 7th month. It starts at the Blowing of the Shofar seeing the New Moon.

You are watching just like Yahshua said to.This will be the beginning of the 7 trumpets in Rev. Starting to those who practice Yahweh's Feast Days.

Next is the Day of Atonement where the Priests again goes into the Holy of Holies for the sins of the people to make them clean.

The Day of Atonement has 2 other functions to. Every 7th year is the land reat. It starts on this day and ends on this day.

The other one is to set the people free. Every 50 years is the Jubilee. This is for a year also. But the families who had lost thier possessions and land were freely given them back. Starting all over again. The Masters Prayer is the Jubilee so is Isa 58.

We are said by Peter to be a kingdom of priests. Priests did not have an inheritance. Thiers was Yahweh. This is our inheritance also. Yahshua speaks of giving up all and following him.


Thier is 10 days between these 2 High Holy Days.

Rev 2:10-12
0 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

11 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death."'
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Rev talks about these 10 days.Why?

The 10th days of the 7th month is our redemption.When we rise and satan has but a short time.

Lets look at how Isa 58 puts it.

Isa 58:6-12

6 "Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
, and He wiYour healing shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of Yahweh shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and Yahweh will answer;
You shall cry ll say, 'Here I am.'

"If you take away the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,
10 If you extend your soul to the hungry
And satisfy the afflicted soul,
Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,
And your darkness shall be as the noonday.
11 The Yahweh will guide you continually,
And satisfy your soul in drought,
And strengthen your bones;
You shall be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.
12 Those from among you
Shall build the old waste places;
You shall raise up the foundations of many generations;
And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach,
The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In.
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Is this not what we are looking for..

And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of Yahweh shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and Yahweh will answer;
You shall cry ll say, 'Here I am.'

The Day of Atonement is a fast day. To see that all that is given you comes from Yahweh. Everyone is equal.

Read closely what Isa. says it is very meaning full.

This is where the Masters Prayer comes from.

Matt 6:9-13

Our Father in heaven ,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven .
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
NKJV

Then if you read futher Yahshua talks about fasting.


The next High Holy Day Starts the Feast of Tabernacle it lasts for 7 days. We are told to live in tempory dwellings to remind us how it was for Israel and also it is a picture of the kingdom to come.

On the 8th day of the Feast is called the Last Great day.

Yahweh's only other reference to the 8th day is circumcision. But this Day is when the books are opened after the 1000 year reiegn of Yahshua and all the rest of the dead and living are JUDGED by what is written in the book. Whether Eternal life or total destruction where even the memories of these people will be erased from our minds..


None of the las 4 High Holy Days Have been Fullfilled. We look for them and we better Watch Shalom...Miles

The Repaier of The Breach has Not Happened Yet

Notice he says you call

does anyone?

Again Miles "audience factor" when it comes to jesus talking to the deciples it is plain to see that he states over and over This generation meaning the one he was in and the apostles were in - not some far off 2000 yr. plus event that the futurist are looking forward to that will never take place - i must admit i enjoy making you work to try and prove your points though -

Shalom my friend.

u r just a stubborn ole kook Shalom...Miles