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Topic: What is the "mark of the beast"?
arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Tue 09/30/08 01:31 AM
i agree sharp, i thinks its a spiritual seal like that given gods chosen which is said to be on the forehead, to undestand it any other way is foolish, just as lindsey's or other futurist writers on the subject try to interject what has happened 2000 yrs ago is meant for today, instead of happening in AD 70. People tend to go with whats popular rather than whats really stated - its much easier to read a supposed theologians take on things than study the book to see what it really says. very true, that is why so many will be decieved, a lot of christians take some preachers word for everything without questioning or doing some study on their own. I get a kick out of the chips and tatoos stories, satan is much smarter than that, most, even ill informed christians wouldn't fall for that. They will be working for him and worship him thinking that he is actually christ returned. Yes Sharp, many will be deceived, "so called christians" are some of the most missled, they used to bind the hands and legs of people, throw them in the river, if they didn't drown, they were witches. If they did drown they were not. I have nver understood that logic. I used to work for a man whom was from Isreal. His father was the number one shamen. He expressed to me that the scripture's were basically a lesson in logic. He would not go beyond that for fear of being persecuted by mainstrem idealogical religon. He was truly in fear of the misled. Remember who it actually was that crucified Christ, It was the leaders of the church/state. If someone thinks that my view on this is incorrect that is fine. Let them find out what the scriptures mean on their own without outside influence. People for the most part have always been afraid of change or new ideas. If any man has an ear to hear let him hear. If not, so be it! Krisma,Had to go back a way's to find this, hope maybe it will help!

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/30/08 01:34 AM
actually I don't think the muslims read the bible, but the Koran (not sure of spelling) so some may misinterpret that as some christians and others misinterpret the bible. Surely some muslims read the bible, I on occasion's I have read the koran. So far what I have discovered is the basic principles of the koran and the bible are the same. However. I think the Hawaiians said it the easiest way to understand. "Hurt/harm no one" and "Hurt/harm nothing" Muslims might read the bible for laughs. I am quite certain they have an understanding of what the Christian belief system encompasses. I dont believe that they are misinterpreting the bible and using that as a basis for terrorists attacks on US soil. I disagree with this assertion made by you. No sir. I would imagine that is based largely in part on US foreign policy and influence on their nation.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/30/08 01:36 AM
i agree sharp, i thinks its a spiritual seal like that given gods chosen which is said to be on the forehead, to undestand it any other way is foolish, just as lindsey's or other futurist writers on the subject try to interject what has happened 2000 yrs ago is meant for today, instead of happening in AD 70. People tend to go with whats popular rather than whats really stated - its much easier to read a supposed theologians take on things than study the book to see what it really says. very true, that is why so many will be decieved, a lot of christians take some preachers word for everything without questioning or doing some study on their own. I get a kick out of the chips and tatoos stories, satan is much smarter than that, most, even ill informed christians wouldn't fall for that. They will be working for him and worship him thinking that he is actually christ returned. Yes Sharp, many will be deceived, "so called christians" are some of the most missled, they used to bind the hands and legs of people, throw them in the river, if they didn't drown, they were witches. If they did drown they were not. I have nver understood that logic. I used to work for a man whom was from Isreal. His father was the number one shamen. He expressed to me that the scripture's were basically a lesson in logic. He would not go beyond that for fear of being persecuted by mainstrem idealogical religon. He was truly in fear of the misled. Remember who it actually was that crucified Christ, It was the leaders of the church/state. If someone thinks that my view on this is incorrect that is fine. Let them find out what the scriptures mean on their own without outside influence. People for the most part have always been afraid of change or new ideas. If any man has an ear to hear let him hear. If not, so be it! Krisma,Had to go back a way's to find this, hope maybe it will help! You posted this after I asked you to explain your position on the Muslims and you STILL have not given me a succinct response to this question. Damage control and afterthoughts do not equate to explanation.

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Tue 09/30/08 01:39 AM Edited by SharpShooter10 on Tue 09/30/08 01:44 AM
"Unfortunatly, the muslim extemist group that is responsible for many terrorist attacks have decided to only pick at the surface about what the beast is! They honestly believe in there hearts that the U.S. of America is the beast that rose up out of the sea. It is not there fault they believe this, someone afflicted with a vengful heart taught them that. It is there fault that they choose to bring harm to other human beings. But I'm not there judge,God is! Pray for peace,,,please!" --Arkdanimal This was your origional quote. Feel free to explain how it might have been misinterpreted. "muslim extremist group" not all muslims Do you feel threatened or somethig by what I am saying? If so may I ask why? This is based on the sea monster story that we were discussing found in the bible. I dont think Muslims are reading the bible and certainly not misinterpreting it in the same manner that you are. I also resent your notion that "Muslim Extremists" are any worse than fundamentalist or radical, lunatic fringe Christians. The "Beast" spoken of in Revelations represents a Political system. The "Sea" = people. Ten horns and ten crowns equal super natural entities. Horns equal power. Crowns are rulers, seven heads are Nations, The Leopard is the Kenites. Bear is Russia, The Lion is Juda, The Dragon is Satan. The deadly wound is to a political system. The second Beast in Rev 13:11 is when Satan is let loose from heaven and comes to earth to decieve and will save the first Beast which is a political system.

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Tue 09/30/08 01:42 AM
i agree sharp, i thinks its a spiritual seal like that given gods chosen which is said to be on the forehead, to undestand it any other way is foolish, just as lindsey's or other futurist writers on the subject try to interject what has happened 2000 yrs ago is meant for today, instead of happening in AD 70. People tend to go with whats popular rather than whats really stated - its much easier to read a supposed theologians take on things than study the book to see what it really says. very true, that is why so many will be decieved, a lot of christians take some preachers word for everything without questioning or doing some study on their own. I get a kick out of the chips and tatoos stories, satan is much smarter than that, most, even ill informed christians wouldn't fall for that. They will be working for him and worship him thinking that he is actually christ returned. Yes Sharp, many will be deceived, "so called christians" are some of the most missled, they used to bind the hands and legs of people, throw them in the river, if they didn't drown, they were witches. If they did drown they were not. I have nver understood that logic. I used to work for a man whom was from Isreal. His father was the number one shamen. He expressed to me that the scripture's were basically a lesson in logic. He would not go beyond that for fear of being persecuted by mainstrem idealogical religon. He was truly in fear of the misled. Remember who it actually was that crucified Christ, It was the leaders of the church/state. If someone thinks that my view on this is incorrect that is fine. Let them find out what the scriptures mean on their own without outside influence. People for the most part have always been afraid of change or new ideas. If any man has an ear to hear let him hear. If not, so be it! Krisma,Had to go back a way's to find this, hope maybe it will help! You posted this after I asked you to explain your position on the Muslims and you STILL have not given me a succinct response to this question. Damage control and afterthoughts do not equate to explanation. I give up. never mind. I understand. You are free to say whatever you want. That is how this thing works. people read what other people say and form there opinions accordingly. I have surely formed some about others on here, but I do not attack them or there ideas repeatidly because of my own beliefs. Love ya

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/30/08 01:47 AM
"Unfortunatly, the muslim extemist group that is responsible for many terrorist attacks have decided to only pick at the surface about what the beast is! They honestly believe in there hearts that the U.S. of America is the beast that rose up out of the sea. It is not there fault they believe this, someone afflicted with a vengful heart taught them that. It is there fault that they choose to bring harm to other human beings. But I'm not there judge,God is! Pray for peace,,,please!" --Arkdanimal This was your origional quote. Feel free to explain how it might have been misinterpreted.

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Tue 09/30/08 01:48 AM
Ark if you wanna debate with Krimsa you gotta pack a lunch and load heavy cause she can sure debate with you. Krimsa, I bet you were on the debating team in school weren't you?

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Tue 09/30/08 01:49 AM
There are good and bad among all beliefs and persuasions

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/30/08 01:50 AM Edited by Krimsa on Tue 09/30/08 01:51 AM
Do you call this "debate"? Im just teasin him. This whole argument started over that sea monster story. However the Muslim comment warranted a good ass kicking.

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Tue 09/30/08 01:50 AM
yep

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Tue 09/30/08 01:51 AM
yes what?

SharpShooter10 Joined Tue 11/20/07 Posts: 11271	Tue 09/30/08 01:52 AM
Do you call this "debate"? Im just teasin him. This whole argument started over that sea monster story. However the Muslim comment warranted a good ass kicking. I use debate for lack of a better word

arkdanimal Joined Wed 08/27/08 Posts: 667	Tue 09/30/08 01:52 AM
I want a beer, now if I can only find that church key! lol

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Tue 09/30/08 10:12 AM
The Mark of the Beast is already here. It is growing every minute. People do not understand what this mark sybolizes that it points away from Yahweh and Towards the Man of Sin who gets his power srom satan/Helel. The mark you already cherish. He does not come on the scene untill this generation has corrupted itself to where the mark is a fashion statement..Shallom...Miles

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Tue 09/30/08 11:25 AM Edited by tribo on Tue 09/30/08 11:30 AM
The Mark of the Beast is already here. It is growing every minute. People do not understand what this mark sybolizes that it points away from Yahweh and Towards the Man of Sin who gets his power srom satan/Helel. The mark you already cherish. He does not come on the scene untill this generation has corrupted itself to where the mark is a fashion statement..Shallom...Miles i think your wrong Miles, the mark of the beast is like the mark of god that he puts on those he calls his own, it is a spiritual mark not an emblem or outward sign seen by all, it is in the acceptance of the government at hand when it transpires, which i believe to have happened to gods people in AD 70. there is no mark of the beast in the present nor will there be from god or the devil at least, if anything comes along to resemble that mark today it will be mans doing not a spiritual doing. just like many think that Israel's rebirth is from god - it is NOT!! so will be any signs that appear today not be of god or the devil but of man. We are not living in the last times as accorded by your god - we are living in the new age [not to be confused with the new age movement] the age of gods reign [according to what i read] and this is to last indefinitely. Or, until he tires of it and brings it to an and, judgements have already been made christ rules in heaven - there are no more suprises, no rapture, no parousia [as seen by the evangelicals] if anything is left at all it is the final judgement. shalom

Buckingfored Joined Fri 11/02/07 Posts: 33	Tue 09/30/08 12:22 PM
I studied this subject for four years. The way I did my study was much like an investigator would solve a crime. I started at the end of the book of Revelation, and worked my way back to the Begining of Genisis. My conclusion was that the "mark of the beast" is lying or any form of deceit! According to Revelation, the Mark is indicated for the ability to buy or sell goods and/or services. The federal government is working on a plan, along with the EU and UN to implement a system where people are "marked" with either a bar code or RFID(radio frequency identification) device that holds all of your personal info, from your medical history to your SS# to your bank records, driver's license and history. You will be able to put your hand (or wherever the RFID is placed), have it scanned, buy your goods, and the money is automatically debited from your account. This is a very real thing, and it will be implemented within the near future. Biblical prophecy is coming to pass. Keep your eyes on Israel, and the Middle East.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Tue 09/30/08 01:01 PM Edited by tribo on Tue 09/30/08 01:04 PM
again i say its mans doing not the god of the book.if this comes to pass with the things you speak of it is because man is behind it, biblically the beast has come and gone, it was never meant to be for today. Funny how every nation that has lived in perolous times through uot the last 2000 yrs, see's themselves as the genration these things will befall. in 2000 yrs it has been said or prophecied, over 200 times that there time was the time of revelations, they were all wrong just as now.

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Tue 09/30/08 02:28 PM
again i say its mans doing not the god of the book.if this comes to pass with the things you speak of it is because man is behind it, biblically the beast has come and gone, it was never meant to be for today. Funny how every nation that has lived in perolous times through uot the last 2000 yrs, see's themselves as the genration these things will befall. in 2000 yrs it has been said or prophecied, over 200 times that there time was the time of revelations, they were all wrong just as now. Here's how I figure it: It is said that no man will know the time of the second coming. So, as long as there is anyone saying "the time is now" then we're safe.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Tue 09/30/08 02:52 PM
again i say its mans doing not the god of the book.if this comes to pass with the things you speak of it is because man is behind it, biblically the beast has come and gone, it was never meant to be for today. Funny how every nation that has lived in perolous times through uot the last 2000 yrs, see's themselves as the genration these things will befall. in 2000 yrs it has been said or prophecied, over 200 times that there time was the time of revelations, they were all wrong just as now. Here's how I figure it: It is said that no man will know the time of the second coming. So, as long as there is anyone saying "the time is now" then we're safe. In MaTT; 24 he gives 30 signs of the time he will return, therefore we have an idea of the time - what he said we would not know was this: "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." we will not know the exact day or hour, but you have to keep in mind who he was talking to[the deciples] he had already let them know the signs of the end of the [jewish]age the prophecyies are against jerusalem and the jews not for the entire world. thus the end of the age of righteosness by law ended in AD 70 with the desruction of the jews and the city and the temple, the sacrificial age was eternally over, the age of grace was to abound for all times beyond.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Tue 09/30/08 05:14 PM Edited by Milesoftheusa on Tue 09/30/08 05:21 PM
Thee destruction of the Temple around 70ad did no more that what Yahshua said would happen. The levitcal priesthood had been changed when Yahshua waved the wave Sheaf when he rose after Mary saw him. He said do not touch me for I have not risen to the father. A Hight Priest had to be clean of his sins and the peoples before entering the Holy of Holies. This wave sheaf offering began the countdown as it does every year to the day of Pentecost or firstfruits which is 50 days later making it always on a sunday. Theese laws were kept way after and still are kept today. Most chr-stians do not realize how or why Pentecost is. But it is from the keeping of the law. The High Priests waved the wave sheaf after the end of the 1st regular sabbath after the 1st High Holy Day od the Days of unleavened bread. Just a few examples that show the law in affect and the 2nd comming has not happened yet. Isa 61:1-2 "The Spirit of the Yahweh Elohim is upon Me, Because Yahweh has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh, And the day of vengeance of our Elohim; NKJV Notice Yahshua left out the day of vengence. The day of vengense does not come from the romans overtaking his people.. Luke 4:18-19 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh." NKJV He did not come then for Vengence. Here is a portait of the Day of Vengence. Zech 14:1 - Mal 1:1 Behold, the day of Yahweh is coming,And your spoil will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;The city shall be taken,The houses rifled,And the women ravished.Half of the city shall go into captivity,But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then Yahweh will go forthAnd fight against those nations,As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,Which faces Jerusalem on the east.And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,From east to west,Making a very large valley;Half of the mountain shall move toward the northAnd half of it toward the south. 5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.Yes, you shall fleeAs you fled from the earthquakeIn the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus Yahweh our Elohim will come,And all the saints with You. 6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light;The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to Yahweh — Neither day nor night.But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light. 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,Half of them toward the eastern sea And half of them toward the western sea;In both summer and winter it shall occur. 9 And Yahweh shall be KING over all the earth.In that day it shall be — " YAHWEH is ONE," And HIS NAME ONE. 10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses. 11 The people shall dwell in it;And no longer shall there be utter destruction,But Jerusalem shall be SAFELY INHABITED. 12 And this shall be the plague with which YAHWEH will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their FLESH shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,Their EYES shall dissolve in their sockets,And their TONGUES shall dissolve in their mouths. 13 It shall come to pass in that day That a great panic from YAHWEH will be among them.Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand; 14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.And the WEALTH of all the surrounding nations Shall be gathered together:Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. 15 Such also shall be the plague On the horse and the mule,On the camel and the donkey,And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.So shall this plague be. 16 The Nations Worship the King And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from YEAR to YEAR to WORSHIP the KING, YAHWEH of HOSTS, and to KEEP the FEAST of TABERNACLES. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth DO NOT come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, YAHWEH of HOSTS, on them there will be NO RAIN. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which YAHWEH strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the FEAST of TABERNACLES. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day"HOLINESS TO YAHWEH" shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in YAHWEH'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to YAHWEH of HOSTS. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of YAHWEH of HOSTS. NKJV Tribo I disagree with you Now explain to me when this took place.. Shalom my Friend..Miles