Thats Catholic, im Bible =) denominations are somthing id rather not get involved in. Man created, non-denominational i am. Now to answer

How i personally look at it, heaven is a place you want to go to, people who know about it and know God want to go there, people who dont believe in God dont. The people who dont believe in God dont go to heaven, where you go, that leaves only hell as the option. Not as "fine if you dont go here you go there" its a theres no other place. Some believe that hell will progress to earths surface and Earth will become hell, so maybe people who done believe will go nowhere =)
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Hell was never a punishment to man, this is misconcepted, hell was for the devil himself, man go there becasue they reject God after death as well because during life your opinion does not change and becasue you dont believe in heaven you are forced to the only other place, hell.

Catholic, =\ i have things that i disagree with, in how catholics go about it. They are a denomination and put a man above all man the pope, i disagree with that and believe you confess your sins to God himself, not man. I wouldnt be the best person to ask because i dont agree =).

My problem with everyone going, is kinda like how politicans get you to vote for them, tell them what you want them to hear kinda thing. Is heaven that great then? If everyone can go why even believe? Heaven is then a tier of ranks 1 being closer, i viewed heaven as being a equal, as we are on earth. Make sence?

Are you fire and brimstone baptist?

One thing the scriptures you have the thing your pastor tells you can be proven easily as Lies.

The scriptures have been messed with. Your sscholars know this.

They will not tell you because they do not have the guts or Faith to come out and say it. but they know.

Like where do you get your idea of Heaven and Hell at?

Your explanation is foriegn to the scriptures.

I realize that if you do not know the OT very well you will never know what the NT says.

This is a big lie down through the ages. Yet can be found.

So you have faith in what?

Science is more accurate than 99% of what your minister teach you.

I can prove that statement. I can also prove what you worship.

Yahshua was the 1st born of the dead.

What does that really tell you?

Is Yahweh of unequal measures?

Do the dead not rise 1st and then the living?

Then where are the risen? Can that be?

I hope you and others will look at what you believe because Blind Faith Falls in the Ditch with everyone else.

Why is it said the whole world is decieved?

Do you believe that?


Blessings of Shalom...Miles

you rely on alot of assumptions and opinions, maybe faith is blind, but then again our brain is much more powerful than our vision

What assumption have i relied on?

You have no problem telling people that if you do not go to heaven then you go to hell.. why?

You answered none of my questions. Because you can not back up this therory of yours.

In the scriptures in the KJV when it was printed. Hell in old English is where you plant your potatoes.

Other places it says hell is from "Gehenna where the worm does not die"

Where is Gehenna in the scriptures.,It was a garbage dump outside of jerusalem where of cource the worm does not die.

You are trying to tell people they need faith and if you do not believe they only have Hell left.

The scriptures say YOU for saying this will suffer the consequinces for telling people a lie.

I have a major problem with anyone trying to claim the Bible says thier is a Hell where people live.

Choose life while it can be found. be afraid of hime. Fear him who can destroy both body and soul. Death is like sleep. We are told that all through the Bible.

But your ministers want to scare you. They will be beaten with many stripes and you also if you continue to tell a lie of Fear.

Fear is a mechanism to control people.. Like Martin Luther Did and his writings caused 6 million Jews to be slaughtered.
Hitler did not come up with the Holocast.

The Founder of The Luthern Religion did.

That is not told much for us to hear is it.

Why do you think the churches in Germany backed down from Hitler?

They had to or Denounce Luther. He Wrote the Govt. and said these vial creatures should be slaughtered.

Hitler only did what a church father was asking him to do.

This kind of Ignorance is why so thier is so much friction within the Body.

What hyprocrites the ministers are.

And you just follow along .

I have faith in g-d I am saved. Good trick satan. Get them to not know what the scriptures really say and make them believe I am saved. Tell the world. And if you do not believe in g-d then you are wrong. You will pay for your sins.

The Scriptures tell us we are responcible for what we know and do.

If someone has been turned away from the scriptures. You know what they usually have a DARN good reason. Theyu can see they have been taught a lie. It is plain just in the 10 commandments.
Why should they believe a LIE. You know how hard it will be for them to ever believe again once they see the lies that are taught as an absolute.

Learn what the scriptures say before you tell someone what they do. shalom...Miles

Miles,

You yourself have stated before,that you are not a christian.
You have also stated at one time ,that you did not need to be born again.....therefore ,I don't believe you are being led by the Holy Spirit , when you speak on this board...and also, I do not recognize the Holy Spirit in you.

I do however,recognize the Holy Spirit in Kalamazoo...and can tell he truly is a born again christian.

I have never said anything regarding me and Born again.

You can believe what you want. But why don't any of you chr-stians show me scholarly when i make a mistake?

I will rejoice if you show me. I have said this before.

But you all just say what you have been taught not reasoning the scriptures as we are Told to do.

Thier are many spirits. We are told to test those spirits whether they be of Yahweh or of Satan.

I have shown where it was prophesied on here a MAJOR religion would come about at the end and Make a covenant with DEATH. Not of Yahweh. But of another Spirit Boasting of How they are enlightened. through the Spirit.

You can Believe what you want. But I do not lie. I hope you will prove to yourself not me or anyone else but to Me, myself and I.. That what you are believeing and teaching others is What The Scriptures say.

I really hope you do. because I have said on here many times the concept of Hell that is Taught can not be found in the scriptures but can be found in Egyptian Religions and Daunte's Inferno. The play he wrote and then this inspired all kinds of Paintings throughout Europe showing people being in fire and satan looking at them. But the concept of being beaten with amny stripes before our Savior is found multiple times for teaching a lie.

Prove all Things.. Test the Spirits and see if they are of Yahweh. shalom...Miles

It is not my job ,or Kalamazoo's job or any other christians job on this forum, to enlighten people to all there is to know about God... or to come up with answers to every question asked on here.

That's what the bible is for...to Seek God for One Self.....
and not man.

u hit the nail on the head. this is why you have no idea what you are worshipping.i feel this is right. the messiah went right at the pharasees.and i say it the way it is. if you can not show where it is wrong then it must be right.u r showing exactly what i say is true. it is hard to prove the truth wrong. is all i can say.

to enlighten people to all there is to know about God...


This is true. We are not to throw our pearls before swine.

I see very few as swine. You? I have showed many (enlightenments) about Acts 2..about where Satan has come out of. what the 10 commandments really do say not what you want them to be. I do try to have an answer of my Hope and Faith to every man.

That is part of the Great Commission. That is Part of what the 2 Witnesses tell the world before Yahshua's return.

You telling me I do not have the Holy Spirit I Rejoice at.

Matt 5:11-13

11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


NKJV

I do not claim to be a Prophet. If I was I would say I was.

I will keep on and will not back down to all the lies so called Believers say on here with out backing up what they say.

I will not engage in something I find as it does not mean alot. I will just let you go in your own deception to yourself.

A lot of people on here can see it also. Who did Yahshua go to and felt more comfortable with?

The Tax collector people hated. Today they Hate the Tax collector also. Nothing New.

Yet the tax collector did not try to put burdens on people with unbiblical teachings that He had made up.

Maybe the very Pharasees did not make these up but were passed down.

They knew or refused themselves to acknowledge the things they said were for them to take control of you.

Yet the unbiblical teachings of Fear and guilt that is in the Doctrine of Hell.

I will NEVER let go unchallenged by a Believer. I know thier are plenty of people out thier that this very DOCTRINE TURNS THEM AWAY.

What do the scriptures say about all those who would do preach Fire and Brimstone?

Matt 18:6-7
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
NKJV


These are not children he is speaking of only. Children are anyone.


If you think I am trying to be deceptfull.

Bring your Pastors, Evangelists , scholars.

And we will discuss it openly for all to see.
If I am wrong I welcome them to show me. I will REJOICE that I have been shown I am wrong in any area I speak about.

Will they? Will you? You should and I pray that you would. We do have a responcibility.

1 Peter 3:10-17

"He who would love life
And see good days,
Let him refrain his tongue from evil,
And his lips from speaking deceit.
11 Let him turn away from evil and do good;
Let him seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of Yahweh are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their prayers;
But the face of Yahweh is against those who do evil."

13
And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good? 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you are blessed. "And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled." 15 But sanctify Yahweh Elohim in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Messiah may be ashamed. 17 For it is better, if it is the will of Elohim,to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
NKJV
Shalom..Miles

what I see:

Christians are trying to give you something that they see as special

Atheists are trying to take something away from you


hmmmmmm

Thats whats wrong with them. It's a feel good Religion. Even when using Hell as a stick.

and why is it your responsibility to take that away from them?

I am not trying to do anything to them. Either they will listen or they will not. I do not convert anyone. It is impossible for me to. My job so to speak is to speak the word. To rebuke those who would teach a false Evangel. Who will not turn from it. To have a answer for every person. They keep to themselves and do not try to teach a false Evangel and they can do as they wish. Shalom...Miles

oh sorry, I misunderstood

you're not debunking God, just trying to sway people to your own paticular brand of God

sorry

He is not a business. He is not brand.

Want to see and here and see what we believe?

Sabbath services will start at 12pm ct.

Right now you can go into the chat room at www.eliyah.com aand click chat room and give yourself a name like you do on here. I am Moshe thier.

Live audio is going on now with the service or sermon is at on realplayer at www.eliyah.com/live/

Blessings of Shalom and Shabbat..Miles

Forgot the Sermon is " When the Last Trumpet Sounds" Miles

nahhh I'm secure and comfortable in my own beliefs

I don't feel any need to defend or proselytize

thats fine I was Just saying go see what I believe If you want..Shalom...Miles

well I do appreciate the consideration

thanks

my grandfather said this once

God is like the sun. You can't look at it without burning your eyes
but you can see a reflection of the sun in any old oil slick mud puddle
and all religions are oil slick mud puddles

so I have some respect for every ones beliefs

I think thats great. i respect anyone who is willing to have what they believe challenged. I welcome it. Their is strength in numbers. So hearing many different thoughts on a matter are all for our benefit. As long as we can back up what we are saying. Thats all Shalom...Miles