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 Ive thought about this: I can offer my explanation in terms of Karma. The more senses a living thing possesses The higher its conciousness This (the senses)has been the standard for determining Karma In the eastern world for centuries. So it stands to reason that conciousness would be measured by the same standard |
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thank you, Mirror.
My thoughts are this. The Living Word spoken to the heart feeds the spirit with joy. the senses heightened only renumerates the awareness of the carnal and the carnal is temporal. I agree that we are all influenced by well being, though. there is so much to this life that is amazing. 
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Im saying conciousness arises from awareness
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The teachings of Eckankar are Hindu in origin. Yes I know, that really is no big secret, even when I was involved with it, it was clearly an eastern religion. Abra said: I thought at one time you had said that Eckankar was also based on ideas of Christianity. That they believed in Satan and that Satan was behind the Bible somehow? That's something I could believe.  But how did they fit that in with Hinduism? Eckankar implies that the earth is the dominion of a god called Kal Nirangin who is both good and evil. Kind of like the yin and yang, positive and negative. That is the duality of this world ruled by a dual natured god. This god is worshiped as both the creator ~ and is also the negative aspect ~ or the devil. If you worship the creator, as Christians do, Eckankar claims that you are worshiping Kal, the dual natured god who is also "the devil" which is the negative aspect of that god. Eckankar's book "The flute of God actually was quite freeing in nature." If frees you from the Dogma of religion. I think that was Twitchell's intent. I did get a lot from the spiritual teachings he compiled. JB Whatever Paul Twitchell was, it is clear his Eckankar was based upon ancient and powerful sacred truths. Seperate the message from the messenger.
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Im saying conciousness arises from awareness hmmmm... I was aware as a very small child that life was good and that love was supreme and that love was inwardly alive and not necessarily evident only from interacting with others. It was a conscious reality that could not find words and could not be boxed. But life showed me that harsher things were neceesary to stave off, and in so doing, I became that which I abhorred in the process of fending off wickedness and hatred and manipulations. and for all that, no place was given to that which was known to be as of great value. When the Lord saw fit to take me on and embrace me intimately, theat conscious awareness of my youth returned and substance was given to the belief that only my joy could be robbed if I let it. As an adult, I had independently been seeking to accomplish this by myself, as freedom and opportunity arose with the acquisition of money. But still, the Lord was what got ther job done for me.  I couldn't honestly say to anyone which came first; life or consciousness or awareness. What I can say is that God is good and worth finding a conversation with, however one does that. I believe that I have found the ultimate and most excellent conversation in Christ Jesus and to that end, I am a sealed deal.   peace. 
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Here is the bottom line. 1.Either life arises from consciousness or 2.consciousness arises from life. If consciousness arises from life, then perhaps life (and consciousness) is just a freak accident. This creates more questions than answers. Of course the third option (answered by religion) is that a separate creator, the "All Mighty God" created everything. But if this is the case, then where did this creator come from? Therefore this solution also creates more questions than answers and just goes in a circle. These are the three basic choices on the table you can explore for answers. My evidence and personal experience, so far, point to number one. The other two lead no where. #2 leads to a finite (hence 'dead') accidental universe. and #3 leads you in circles.. who created God? I have yet to see a glimmer of any proof or evidence or reason that would shake me from path #1. Life arises from consciousness. JB Where does consciousness come from? Where does "god" come from? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/18/08 05:58 PM
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Im saying consciousness arises from awareness There may be a problem with semantics in this statement because of the different understanding of what consciousness is and what awareness is. Sometimes I think they are the same thing, but maybe not.... I have suggested that consciousness may be what is known as the "holy spirit" which could be the awareness of the "I AM" in movement. It could be the current and the energy and information of all that is. Or even described as the vibration of Love and Joy. It could be all that and more. JB |
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Oh? Is that right, Abra? Because ABRA said so?? No, not because Abra says so. Because if you claim that your external godhead always was and always will be, then all you are doing it claiming that it is pantheistic itself. You are just claiming that this is its true nature. Then you move on from there and start claiming that this pantheistic entity has created us as its pets. You ultimately must begin with a pantheistic Godhead. You're just claiming that the true nature of God is pantheistic and then that we are just its pets. That is what such stories must reduce to. Okay, time to cut it out. I'm going to bomb the mods / admins with protests of your posts. You are breaking rule #5 and you do it all the time. We have all patiently asked you to stop, but you don't seem to want to. 5) No derogatory or offensive references to sex, gender, ethnicity, religions, or sexual orientation. I swear that I will Report every single post that you make which is derogatory to Christianity or any other religion. |
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Where does "god" come from? Exactly. We cannot know origins. We can't know how the universe was created. All beliefs of how or why the universe was created are faith based. There is no evidence, we cannot ever know for sure. Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information. |
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Where does "god" come from? Exactly. We cannot know origins. We can't know how the universe was created. All beliefs of how or why the universe was created are faith based. There is no evidence, we cannot ever know for sure. Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information. "Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information?" You say that there is NO EVIDENCE, we cannot ever know for sure. Then you say UNLESS YOU BELIEVE in a deity which can give you that information? Those are contradictory statements. A so-called deity (as a belief) cannot give you any information. as it is only a belief, just as you pointed out. JB |
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I swear that I will Report every single post that you make which is derogatory to Christianity or any other religion. I hope you aren't serious. If we cannot discuss things openly what is the point of a forum in the first place? What kind of power trip are you on anyway? Please keep out of this thread if you are going to just start trouble. Stop reading it if it is not for you and you can't behave like in a calm manner. JB |
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I swear that I will Report every single post that you make which is derogatory to Christianity or any other religion. I hope you aren't serious. If we cannot discuss things openly what is the point of a forum in the first place? What kind of power trip are you on anyway? Please keep out of this thread if you are going to just start trouble. Stop reading it if it is not for you and you can't behave like in a calm manner. JB I'm perfectly calm. But if you notice that I quoted the forum rules and Abra breaks them. Surely you realized that. |
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Where does "god" come from? Exactly. We cannot know origins. We can't know how the universe was created. All beliefs of how or why the universe was created are faith based. There is no evidence, we cannot ever know for sure. Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information. "Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information?" You say that there is NO EVIDENCE, we cannot ever know for sure. Then you say UNLESS YOU BELIEVE in a deity which can give you that information? Those are contradictory statements. A so-called deity (as a belief) cannot give you any information. as it is only a belief, just as you pointed out. JB Christians believe that we will have that information after we die. So they aren't contradictory statements. Sorry that I wasn't clear about that. "WE", living humanity will never know. Maybe when we die. That's it. This was actually a very poorly thought out argument on your part, it doesn't address what I posted, it is simply your attempt to dissect my post. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/18/08 09:08 PM
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Where does "god" come from? Exactly. We cannot know origins. We can't know how the universe was created. All beliefs of how or why the universe was created are faith based. There is no evidence, we cannot ever know for sure. Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information. "Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information?" You say that there is NO EVIDENCE, we cannot ever know for sure. Then you say UNLESS YOU BELIEVE in a deity which can give you that information? Those are contradictory statements. A so-called deity (as a belief) cannot give you any information. as it is only a belief, just as you pointed out. JB Christians believe that we will have that information after we die. So they aren't contradictory statements. Sorry that I wasn't clear about that. "WE", living humanity will never know. Maybe when we die. That's it. This was actually a very poorly thought out argument on your part, it doesn't address what I posted, it is simply your attempt to dissect my post. You are the one who is attempting to "dissect" my post. Your statement made sense up to the point where you started with the UNLESS.... It essentially states that "There is no evidence, we cannot ever know for sure...Unless you believe in a deity which can give you that information. Well I don't "believe in a deity which can give me that information." (Speaking for myself) Therefore your statement is that there is no evidence and we cannot ever know for sure. With that I agree. As for your threat to bombard the mods with complaints about Abra, I don't see where he has broken any rules. He simply states what he believes. Please do not make problems just because you don't like the way he expresses himself or because you feel offended. JB |
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As for your threat to bombard the mods with complaints about Abra, I don't see where he has broken any rules. He simply states what he believes. Please do not make problems just because you don't like the way he expresses himself or because you feel offended. The rules state that you can't make derogatory statements about another's religion. Abra has made some extremely derogatory statements about Christianity. This forum is for discussing religion, not deriding other's beliefs. I have challenged Abra many times to simply talk about the good things in his beliefs. He appearantly chooses to do otherwise. He can call them his "beliefs" or "opinions", but that doesn't matter, does it? It's against the rules and I don't have to put up with it any more. I've been here for a long time and I've had my fill of his hate and vitriol for Christianity. |
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As for your threat to bombard the mods with complaints about Abra, I don't see where he has broken any rules. He simply states what he believes. Please do not make problems just because you don't like the way he expresses himself or because you feel offended. The rules state that you can't make derogatory statements about another's religion. Abra has made some extremely derogatory statements about Christianity. This forum is for discussing religion, not deriding other's beliefs. I have challenged Abra many times to simply talk about the good things in his beliefs. He appearantly chooses to do otherwise. He can call them his "beliefs" or "opinions", but that doesn't matter, does it? It's against the rules and I don't have to put up with it any more. I've been here for a long time and I've had my fill of his hate and vitriol for Christianity. In my opinion he has not broken the rules or made in derogatory statements about Christianity. Do not read this thread if you do not like what is being said here. No one is forcing you to read this thread. Plus, you need to stick to the topic of the O.P. JB |
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I believe in the flying spaghetti monster.
Disprove that!
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I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Disprove that! I don't have to, I ate him for lunch today.
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What? Holy schmoly JB... enough of the holier than thou crappola.... You have your opinions, Michael has his.. Enough of the "I am right, and can hide behind my Brutal Truth banner. and all others MUST be wrong and watch me disseminate them all over the place, and shoot off my intellectual barbs"... ENOUGH! It's offensive. and unintelligent and completely dispassionate. Compassionate my arse!!! Showing off, and attempting to PROVE you are right and someone else is wrong... All I see is interegator and authoritarian guff. ENOUGH! Quite a lil stomp ya got there Jess ... I have to agree with you on the barbs ... sarcasm ... personal attacks ... language intended to demean ... all offensive ... and completely unnecessary ... |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Wed 06/18/08 10:28 PM
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I find it interesting that mirror holds consciousness(awareness) contingient upon senses also...
And because Mirror is not at odds with JB... James agrees! Do you not remember these words from me, at the very beginning of this? Awareness(the ability to think consciously) requires perceptual capability... Perceptual capability is completely contingient upon the physiological constructs of the five senses. Try to visualize something without having vision nor touch. Consciousness is bi-product of having a physiological existence. Thought is non-existent without the five senses. Can I say double standard out of both sides of my mouth? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mirror states... Ive thought about this: I can offer my explanation in terms of Karma. The more senses a living thing possesses The higher its conciousness This (the senses)has been the standard for determining Karma In the eastern world for centuries. So it stands to reason that conciousness would be measured by the same standard Then Abracadabra says this in response...  Sounds good to me Mirror. I am so done with such nonsense... Some folks seem historically and culturally retarded, by sheer will! Let us not forget the claim that it does not require knowledge to be intelligent either... Oh my... I gotta get outta here before I truly do tempororarily become that which I have been falsely accused of out of sheer vengeance... And quote at least ten different times someone here has contradicted their own previous words. I am better than that! Enjoy your sarcasalad... I need something a little more substantive... like a coffee bean, Kona style...  |
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