"Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them'-that will be the Jews--'from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks." "If that doesnt describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust, you cant see that....and that will be offensive to some people.Well, dear heart, be offended."

John Hagee


This is what Televangelist John Hagee said about the Jews

I seen it on the news

Everytime I come in a religion thread people run

a perfect example of churchianity running amuck seeking to villify and harbor strife and contention with no greater purpose in mind than to suggest that all will come kicking and screaming, if need be, with bended knee before the Lord.

The hunt is for the timid and the hurt and wounded that seek refuge in solitude and isolation.

But not to destroy them, but to love them;

To dare to reach into the hellish torment of abused sufferers and refresh them.

It takes someone who has been there and escaped that hellish grip to reach such, and they ( those that have been there and done that) are known by their fruits whether they be a good tree with good fruit or otherwise.

We can all identify with the abused becoming the abuser. But what is impossible with man is possible with God.

The hatred of the Jewish people is an evil that is rivaled only by the depravity of mankinds darkest hearts. It is an abomination.

Hagee also called Catholic Church a cult and a great whore Do you know which presidential candidate he is friends with?

"He who would love life and see good days,
let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his
lips from speaking deceit".

1 Peter 3:10

The Whisper of Love

I cannot be sad if my Savior is near,
He bids all my sadness depart;
I cannot be lonely, if gently I hear
His whisper of Love in my heart.

The whisper of love, soft whisper of love,
How oft like the poor wandering dove,.
I fly to the ark with my Savior to rest,
and hear His soft whisper of love.

I cannot be weary, the days are not long,
If onward I trustingly move;.
And oft on my journey I pause in my song,
To hear the soft whisper of love.

And when, from the path He has taught me to tread,
My footsteps forgetfully rove;
How kindly again to that path I am led,
And cheered by the whisper of love.

No voice in the world is so tenderly sweet,
No charm can my sorrow remove;
No accents in glory my joy would complete,
Without the soft whisper of love.


(Written By Fanny Crosby)

2 Cor 9:8
"And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work"

Romans 8:28
"And we know that all things work together for good to them
that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Proverbs 3:5-7

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

“Therefore encourage one another and build each other up….”

1 Thessalonians 5:11 (NIV)

See redy the simple fact is that you want to believe that the translations were wrong....they were not for me. So like I said before we could go round and round until our last breath.....if you were really seeking the truth....then ask God.....Ask him to show you......Just as I did....and He showed me. You can take a mother goose rhyme and interpret it any way you wish. As you can with the Bible. But no matter what... it is what it is. And what was written is what God wanted. And again Redy this is not the place for this....This thread is our refuge and place to come with like minds, and with people who love the Lord....Take it to another thread and we will see what happens.....

Ok so I've notices that you guys share bible verses and how they affect you and you talk about signs you've received. We've all had a disucssion abou the Holy spirt and If I remember correctly it was agreed that the Holy Spirit can speak through anyone. So let me explain what happened to me last night.

I only had one Bible up here The New International Version, actually. It was off to the side and I answering emails and inbetween checking out JSH.

I suddenly looked over at the Bible and for some reason I felt the need to open it. I pulled it over to me and smiled to myself and thought "OK, I'll bite". So I opened it and I decided I would read teh first think my eyes fell upon.

It was Romans 14. I read it at first just to read it but then toward the end I suddenly started seeing a correlation to my own life. So I re-read it and then I wanted to type it and share with you all how I interpret Romans 14.

Now call it what you will, but it this had happened TO ANY OF YOU, all of you would be praising God and saying Amen and blessing the Holy Spirit that showed you the way.

But because it happened to me, my interpretation is not correct.

I think that's pretty sad. I also think that there's an extreme lack of critical thinking skills in this matter. Because here's the thing If the HS makes Deb believe that what she reads and how she interprets it is right and the HS make di believe what she reads and how she interprets is rights and Britty and Wouldee and Miguel and Mirror than who is right?

I would venture to say that at least one of you would be egotistical enough to say only YOU are right. But then someone is likely to say that each is right becasue AS I INTERPRETED Romans 14, we must, each, as individual be clear on what we beleive and follow "FOR OURSELVES" that path. BUT it is not for us to judge others beliefs

and then

are you ready -- cos here's the big one

and not only that but we are must be sure that we have not placed stumbling blocks in the path of those who do not beleive as we do.

WHY?

Because belief is a personal and individual thing and by forcing your will on any person you are inhibiting the natrual course of that persons expereience, the expereince that God intended each person to have. Only God will judge and God will judge each persons actions that have affected or interferred with the life of another.

The laws of this country are put into effect by people's decisions. To deny, with your voice, equality in that law, based on a "Personal" interpretation and belief is to Persoanlly place a stumbling block in the path of those whom God (according to Romans 14) has accepted and given free will to.

I ask you - whose faith is stronger, your's for blocking your perception of a sin in another, or the homosexual who allows you your freedom to beleive what you will, and asks only for the FULL benefit and protection of the law that you have?


forgive the typos - running late and need to go to work.
Have a great everyone!

The Beloved
By Katherine Tynan Hinkson (b. 1861)

BLOW gently over my garden,
Wind of the Southern sea,
In the hour that my Love cometh
And calleth me!
My Love shall entreat me sweetly,
With voice like the wood-pigeon;
‘I am here at the gate of thy garden,
Here in the dawn.’

Then I shall rise up swiftly
All in the rose and grey,
And open the gate to my Lover
At dawning of day.
He hath crowns of pain on His forehead,
And wounds in His hands and feet;
But here mid the dews of my garden
His rest shall be sweet.

Then blow not out of your forests,
Wind of the icy North;
But Wind of the South that is healing
Rise and come forth!
And shed your musk and your honey,
And spill your odours of spice,
For one who forsook for my garden
His Paradise!

Redy,


I agree that God very much so does lead us to inquire into that which is in scripture for comfort and encouragement.

Romans 14 is appropriate and very much in accord with my judgement concerning coming to God first and learning from God's one on one direction. God, in Christ, does very much honor the written record and inspires within it's confines lest more be added to complicate the original intent to trust God and seek His righteousness ; and not our own.

Verse 15 says, "But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably.
Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died."

Meaning, we each must examine oureslves and our liberties and also consider the abridgement of our fellowship with one another in accord with pleasing God and ourselves in our mutual embrace of the things of God, in Christ.
Are you doing all that you can to be affirmed in the family of friends called brothers and sisters?
Likewise, not grieving others?
First and foremost the scriptures speak to us before speaking to how others judge us. We must exercise charitable judgement over our own displays and liberties with the intent to bridge differences.

In verse 18 it says, "For he that in these things serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved of men."

Do our liberties glorify Christ or ourselves?
Are we justifying ourselves before God and man, or are we mindful that none is justified by the deeds of the flesh?
Are we applying a spiritual value to our judgements or a carnal one?

Once again, this verse asks us to examine ourselves for that which is known to bear fruit or not by our own example and personal walk in the spirit, not after the flesh.
It is important to acknowledge that we all must remain vigilant in the things needful for the flesh, but not in opposition to the bountiful prosperity and abundance of spiritual truth and joy and clarity within ourselves.

In closing the chapter, verse 23 says, "And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith ; for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.(error or mistaken)"


Elsewhere it says, "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Is God leading you to justify your liberties, or to draw nearer to God and understand that you are not condemned already? For God to lead you to read Romans 14 and you "bit" on it is testimony to your openness to God and His Living Word.
Happily, let us not condemen ourselves, first, as it says also in Romans 14: 22.

So, may I invite you to continue being sensitive and supple to the goodness and merciful grace that is intended for us from God himself, each and severally in a very personal way.

I encourage you to grow and listen for more leadings like that. You may find yourself falling in love.

Romans 15:1-4.

We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and NOT TO PLEASE OURSELVES.
Let every one of us please his neighbor for his good to edification.
For even Christ pleased not himself(hhmmmmm); but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.(aahhhh)
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and COMFORT of the scriptures might have hope.

Hope certainly does find place and abide in you, Redy

God is not abandoning you, but calling to you.

God bless you.

So true, wouldee.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle, not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Otherwise it would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Thu 05/22/08 03:03 PM
Madamx (Catherine) Kitt just got back from the doctor and her cancer is back.....I need all the prayer warriors on this.

The cancer hass spread went from her cervix and has spread to uterine. also found lumps in the breasts and lungs...doing a whole body scan this week.

its in stage 2 right now, has not affected my other organs like kidney and bladder so far that we know, They will be doing a body scan to find out more.

The doctor is going to call in the next 48 hours to get everything set up for radiation and chemo......We want it gone.....so pray without ceasing for the next 48 hours.




Dear Lord I just come before you......on bended knee Lord God. I ask that you take this cancer from Kitt....From the top of her head to the tips of her toes heal all that is affecting her body Lord God. I know Lord as with others that we have prayed for here...That when two or more are gathered in your name.....mighty miracles happen. Give strength to Kitt Lord and give her strength and knowledge that you will never forsake her Lord and you will be there with her always. In Your Mighty Precious Name this I pray AMEN


AND THE PEOPLE SAID AMEN



http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/121601

I am agreeing with you in prayer on this one Debs.

Thank-you Deb, Wouldee for kindly acknowleging the effort I made. I've compiled a responce, including both of your interpretations. Long process isn't it?

Romans 14 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
The Weak and the Strong

Vs 1 thru
1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

(ok, we got number one together.)

3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

(then you say, Deb, you would never pass judgment on me, but you do by believing that you recognize sin in me. You have judged MY sin and #4 clearly states

“Who are you to judge someone else’s servant?”

meaning we are all God’s servants and only he can determine the sins and pass judgment against those servants; Not you!

Believing without a doubt, as you do, that you see a sin, in another, is to carry the temptation to treat that person differently. You are not God, you are not perfect, you can not say, that would never happen.

You also choose to speak for God with your quote

“The Lord loves all....there is no doubt about it.....but he will never love the sin that all of us partake in.”

There are times in the Bible that God has overlooked sin, great sin, and still He has rewarded an individual, or family. Can you do that? If it’s not in your heart to allow, what you perceive to be, a sin to exist in others, then you are judging. That is also a sin and should you judge wrongly your actions can domino into all manner of hurtful and hateful things.

VS 5 thru 8
5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

My Interpretation (Deb/Feral)


Response from Redy:
I’m sorry Deb your interpretation does not take into account the entire chapter. Remember you are the one who has told us we can’t take versus out of context. Well dear, you have done that here. Remember there is history in the Bible. Remember that the Jewish people had old ways that Jesus came to change. This Chapter(14) is an explanation of why the old laws are not good, why we are not to judge based on “OLD DOGMA”. One believes the Sabboth is Holy, another believes every day is Holy. One believes eating meat is bad another that eating meat makes no differeance (like us, you and me, believing something to be a sin or not) Then the verse goes on to say, it doesn’t matter, these old laws, if thanks is given to God for the day, or for the meat.

In your response you talk about receiving, asking of God, these verses are about giving thanks and not making judgments based on a sin YOU perceive. Our judgements of people do not make those people any less the property of God. And because we are all the property of God we better treat each person as we would want, and expect, to be treated because that is what God expects.

To be cont.

Romans 14 examination continued

Vs 9 thru 12
9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

My interpretation. (Deb/Feral)




Response from Redy:
Deb I thing you are so very enthused with your faith you far exceed what the passage is saying. We do agree, according to this, that Christ died and was resurrected so that He would be Lord and command both the dead and the living. I assume this is so that He can raise the dead to herald judgment over them.

Taking the rest verses 9 – 12 in context with the rest of the chapter, it is saying that at the time of judgment all knees will be bent and all tongues will confess (or give an accounting of their life) That means each person will speak only for themselves and for every offense against another that they harbored. So be sure you know what an offence is, as previous verses have indicated.

Vs 13 thru 18
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

My Interpretation..... (Deb/Feral)


My original interpretation & response to Deb (Redy)


Interpretation by Wouldee: verse 15 & 18


It may be the difference in writing, but I think wouldee and I are similarly in agreement.

to be cont.