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Mon 07/21/08 01:45 PM

But if you would think it thought that was done when we thought that we owned the world as years have past we have help in them to return. But there was a commit made that we can bring any of these animals back but we can. You all may not like this but cloning will bring them back but we could just stop everything we are doing only use what we need.


And again we would be poor guardians in our pride. Who would decide which species should be 're-created'? What dangers would we create Which species would we only doom to die out again? Would they be allowed to live as they were meant? Hundreds of similar questions. Who is to play Creator?

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Mon 07/21/08 01:34 PM
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Mon 07/21/08 01:29 PM

sorry i was wrong about 90% it was 99.9% and we have only had an impact on this for a few years in aspect. the earth has been around for 4.5 billion years life has been here for 3.5 billion
years. Humans have been around for only a few million years and
yea we may have done some stuff to are world but in aspect after we are all gone the world wont take that long to get rid of all the stuff we left behind. And we are working hard on finding different fuels to run off of but a lot of it is still to new for us to use right. I was watching something on how we are using the gasses that come from are trash in landfills to make power for are homes.


One thing that you have forgotten with your numbers. The rate of species loss has increased with the interference of man. That is that we lose species faster that were not in danger of becoming extinct before man interfered. Case in point ..... where are the massive herds of bison? The American bison was almost lost. Large scale commercial whaling has almost destroyed a sentient species.

It is time to care for the planet and it's life. We do not own it. We are guardians and not very good ones.

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Sat 06/14/08 11:50 AM
Edited by WolfSoul on Sat 06/14/08 11:50 AM
Blue Juice???

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Sat 06/14/08 11:30 AM
Just like we dont refer to the native americans as savages for the way they herded theyre women like livestock and praticed cannibalism...so we shouldnt judge those in history who practiced what we know today to be unacceptable.


Setting the Record Straight About Native Peoples: American Indian Cannibals
Q: Were Native Americans cannibals?
A: Not for the most part, no, but there were some groups who were. The Aztecs were notorious for ritual cannibalism (warriors would eat a strip of flesh from enemies they had slain in combat). Some people dispute this, but the Aztecs' own written and oral histories seem to support it as the truth. The Karankawa tribe of southeast Texas was also said to practice ritual cannibalism on defeated enemies. There were a few Amazonian tribes who practiced funerary cannibalism (family and friends would eat part of a dead tribal member's body as a religious ceremony at the funeral). Finally, the Carib people of South America were said to kill and eat prisoners of war, though it's been pointed out that the Spaniards who made this claim were lining their own pockets by doing so (Queen Isabella had forbidden her subjects from selling Africans, or Indians, as slaves unless they were cannibals).

None of the other 1200 Native American cultures engaged in culturally sanctioned cannibalism at the time of European contact. That doesn't mean cannibalism never happened--there were certainly stories in the American Indian oral history about cannibalistic incidents (a hunting party trapped in a snowstorm who fell to eating each other, a war chief who taunted captives by striking them in the face with their leader's heart and then taking a bite out of it.) Such incidents also occurred in American and European history under similar starving-in-the-wilderness and war-atrocity circumstances (a company of Crusaders, for example, bragged of having grilled and eaten a Saracen; a Jamestown settler was executed for cannibalizing his wife during a famine). Cannibalism should not be considered part of American Indian culture on this account any more than it would be considered part of European or American culture--it was culturally unacceptable behavior. The Sioux considered cannibalism a sin, the Cree considered it a mental illness, the Algonquin and Ojibwe considered it a sign of possession by an evil spirit. In almost all cases, American Indian cannibals--just like European or American cannibals--were put to death as soon as they were discovered.

Q: But weren't they cannibals before that--in ancient times, before European contact?
A: Most of them definitely were not. It's been suggested that the pre-Iroquois Mohawk and the ancient Anasazi may have practiced group cannibalism. This is possible, though it has not been proven. The Mohawk were called "man-eaters" by their Algonquian enemies on account of this belief about their lurid past. Some Mohawks think it was probably true, others that you shouldn't give too much credence to slurs people's enemies cast at their ancestors. The claim about the ancient Anasazi came more recently, when anthropologists found a burial site with skeletons whose flesh had apparently been hacked off the bones after their death. Personally, I'm not too impressed by that evidence. Even if those bodies were cut up for cannibalistic purposes, we're talking about one anomalous site with only seven bodies in it. Of the hundreds of ancient Indian burial sites exhumed by archaeologists--including dozens of Anasazi ones--this was the only one with this strange appearance. For all we know it was the work of some Anasazi psychopath. We can't assume ancient Anasazi culture included cannibalism from this one unusual case any more than we could say American culture includes cannibalism because of Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer

http://www.native-languages.org/iaq13.htm



Regarding your statement about women. Many of the First People had matriarchal societies. Women owned the land, home and other properties. Heritage and clan lineage was from the mother. To the Europeans it may have seemed that the women were cattle but such was not the case.


http://www.native-languages.org/iaq13.htm

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Sat 05/17/08 10:09 AM
Soldiers are NOT murderers. Though it happens in conflict that civilians / innocents get hurt I doubt that there is a soldier who rejoices in the killing of an innocent (not any who has retained his sanity at least). A soldier is a professional, trained to do a job that is required and do it to the best of his ability. Yes he is trained to kill.........kill an enemy, an armed enemy.

I served in infantry and am proud of it. I am NOT a murder. I am a trained soldier.

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Tue 05/13/08 02:37 AM
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Mon 05/12/08 04:12 PM
Edited by WolfSoul on Mon 05/12/08 04:13 PM





Differences in religion would be covered by a course of study in Theology.
Again philosophy teaches to think, to look at ideas and concepts.


So, tell me, then why did this professor do what he did?

SIMPLY, MY DEARS, OPEN YOUR MINDS TO GINA'S SITUATION. GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS FROM THE UPDATES FROM THE ACLJ.

No, that is not allowed, we cannot be OPEN MINDED towards Gina's case and Christianity. OH, what a horrid thought to have to contemplate!

Lindyy
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I have opened my mind to her situation.
..She chose to take a course.
..The course teaches to think.
..She was asked to look at a concept, that there is no god.
..She was not asked to embrace this concept, adopt this concept, preach this concept. Simply to examine it.
..A question was posed, for extra credit, to examine thoughts on this concept.
..She, of her own free will and thinking of her own mind, refused to respond to the question.
..No attempt at conversion, no prejudice. A teacher trying to get get students to think. Doing his job.

I look at this and see not a student who has been wronged but a student upset at not getting extra credit and who has found a way to get said extra credit by claiming prejudice.

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Sun 05/11/08 09:38 PM
I think they may have forgotten about me now.

Thank you again Purplecat for the hiding spot.
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Sun 05/11/08 08:42 PM
Thank you. Would you poke my tail inside please.

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Sun 05/11/08 08:40 PM
Can I come hide here? I think I may have angered some people in Current Events.

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Sun 05/11/08 08:29 PM

Philosophy class did not include/exclude religion, the OP and those posting here did.


BULLCHIT. Go back and reread the very original posting and you will see this excerpt:


He said that to engage in dialogue, you have to at least acknowledge the possibility that god does not exist


To tell a christian student (even by accident and unintentionally) that she has to stand their and say that her faith in her god is not complete, which is exactly what you would be saying if you stated that it is possible god did not exist, you are asking her to deny her god. Thus you are brining religion into it.

And by telling her that she will not recieve popints (extra or regular does not matter) becuase she will not deny her god, is persecution.


"acknowledge the possibility"

Create a concept, an idea opposed to your own. For the benefit of learning to think. Not deny that there is no god. Not declare that there is no god. But to look at the possibility of it. To explore that concept without ever endorsing it, without ever having to embrace it. Explore the idea, explore that man is a completely free agent. To think, as an individual. To formulate a concept. To think and explore a thought. NEVER HAVING TO ACCEPT, EMBRACE OR ENDORSE THAT THOUGHT, CONCEPT OR IDEA. Simply to explore it.

Yes I see this as a devious form of conversion. Indeed to think that a person may learn to formulate an idea without it ever having to bear fruit of any kind.

If this method is so effective perhaps it should have been used rather than extermination, diseased blankets, starvation, forced move from homelands and beatings in Residential schools. Surely such a devious method would have given better results.

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Sun 05/11/08 08:10 PM

And you are incorrect, if you state
QUOTE:
So if you make the statement "my name is daniel, and I am not free because I am closeminded" (correct word was determined), then you are denying gods teachings that humans ARE free to do what they choose to do (which HE does teach).


first let me apologize for transcribing the wornd word there, you are right it determined, not closeminded. Sorry about that.


Second, in the Christian religion, one of Gods teachings is that man is free to do as he pleases...

Another of God's teachings is that it is a sin to deny any of God's teachings.

And as everybody knows, if you sin you go to hell (according to Christian Doctrine).

So, yes the statement "my name is Daniel, and I am not free because I am determined" directly goes against god's teachings by denying the fact that man is free to do as he pleases.

So in conclusion here,in a philosophy class, which in this partiicular case is required for the degree, same as math or science is, if you tell a Christian student that she won't get extra credit because she refuses to make the above statement, due to the fact that she does not want to deny her god and face going to Hell, then you are guilty of persecuting (punishing for personal religious beliefs) this student.


No. Extra credit is always a student choice. Whether the student can or cannot has nothing to do with it. Especially at that level of education where they are supposed to think for themselves. The student refused the extra credit it was not denied her. She used free thought to refuse it.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:54 PM






Why would I want to know what or how Hitler thought? I wouldn't. Why would I want to know how Charles Manson thought?


By knowing what and how Hitler thought, seeing you mentioned Hitler, you learn what he is likely to do ina given situation. You learn how he believes and reacts.

Let's say we know as fact that Hitler was deathly afraid of bees, trhat he thought he would go to hell if he got stung by one. You and I both know he would not go to hell simplyby being stung by a bee (wether you believe inhell or not). however, we also know that if we were to release hundreds of bees in his general area, it would be an effective way of making him react first and think later. Maybe even cause him to panic. Or at least more likely to panic than if five soldeirs were seen coming towards his house.

learnign how a personthinks, teaches about the person/group of people themselves. But it does not require for you to be willing to convert over, or to believe you could be wrong. That is why religion is also known as faith.

Faith: to believe something without having any logical or scientific proof to back your belief up.


That would entail the use of Psychology (Behavior Studies) not philosophy.

Psychology in so far as knowing more about him. But say you know he worships the mule god. If you know the teachings of the mulegod religion then you know how he is likely to react based onhis religious beliefs.
So yes, Psychology would be part, but so is philosophy.



Again Sir. Look at the definition of philosophy please. It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with thinking, ideas. I have posted the definition and repeated it. Yet you refuse to see it. Locked in your own concept without opening your mind to the fact that your argument is based on false information. There are no religions in philosophy. There is only ideas, thoughts, concepts. How to see them, use them. How to think. You Sir refuse to think even when the definitions proving that your concept is wrong is placed before you.

Philosophy is not religious it is teaching to think.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:46 PM
To think, discuss and dissect other beliefs, yes. But not to try and convert, or to make someone less faithfull in their own religion If you make it a requirement of graduation, that you take a class in which someone will try and convert or make you less faithful, then you go against a persons right to their freedom of religion.


There was no attempted conversion. There was no persecution. A young lady in a course of study which teaches an individual to think was asked to respond to a question. To think and respond for extra credit not anything that would affect earned credit.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:41 PM



Oh I concede the facts between philospohy verses anthopology, and I apologize for mixing the two up. However, the fact still remains that philosophy is NOT about trying to make someone else change their minds or beliefs. It is about teaching them what everyone else (or at a few others, lol) think in comparison to themselves. It is about discussing the differances between, say christianity and buddhism. however it is NOT about trying to copnvert a christian to buddhism, or vice verse or any other religion to another. It is simply there to teach a worldl;y perspective.
if the goal of a philosophy class WAS to convert, or change ones way of thinking or belief, then A college could not EVER make it mandatory for graduation, as it would be a conflict against the constitution.

An easy way to say it is, a philosophy class is meant to instruct you about different religions, etc without trying to change your opinion or convert you.


Differences in religion would be covered by a course of study in Theology.
Again philosophy teaches to think, to look at ideas and concepts.


To think, discuss and dissect other beliefs, yes. But not to try and convert, or to make someone less faithfull in their own religion If you make it a requirement of graduation, that you take a class in which someone will try and convert or make you less faithful, then you go against a persons right to their freedom of religion.


Again there is no converting of any kind in philosophy. It is a course of study to encourage an individual to think, see ideas and concepts. Adapt them to daily usage if they are deemed good concepts and refuse them if not.
Study of free thinking, going outside the box, the use of logic in ideas and concepts, how to present and look at ideas. HOW TO THINK!! There is no religion to the free flow of ideas and concepts. Man accepts or refuses ideas as they come to him and are compared with his own base line.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:34 PM




Why would I want to know what or how Hitler thought? I wouldn't. Why would I want to know how Charles Manson thought?


By knowing what and how Hitler thought, seeing you mentioned Hitler, you learn what he is likely to do ina given situation. You learn how he believes and reacts.

Let's say we know as fact that Hitler was deathly afraid of bees, trhat he thought he would go to hell if he got stung by one. You and I both know he would not go to hell simplyby being stung by a bee (wether you believe inhell or not). however, we also know that if we were to release hundreds of bees in his general area, it would be an effective way of making him react first and think later. Maybe even cause him to panic. Or at least more likely to panic than if five soldeirs were seen coming towards his house.

learnign how a personthinks, teaches about the person/group of people themselves. But it does not require for you to be willing to convert over, or to believe you could be wrong. That is why religion is also known as faith.

Faith: to believe something without having any logical or scientific proof to back your belief up.


That would entail the use of Psychology (Behavior Studies) not philosophy.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:25 PM

Oh I concede the facts between philospohy verses anthopology, and I apologize for mixing the two up. However, the fact still remains that philosophy is NOT about trying to make someone else change their minds or beliefs. It is about teaching them what everyone else (or at a few others, lol) think in comparison to themselves. It is about discussing the differances between, say christianity and buddhism. however it is NOT about trying to copnvert a christian to buddhism, or vice verse or any other religion to another. It is simply there to teach a worldl;y perspective.
if the goal of a philosophy class WAS to convert, or change ones way of thinking or belief, then A college could not EVER make it mandatory for graduation, as it would be a conflict against the constitution.

An easy way to say it is, a philosophy class is meant to instruct you about different religions, etc without trying to change your opinion or convert you.


Differences in religion would be covered by a course of study in Theology.
Again philosophy teaches to think, to look at ideas and concepts.

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Sun 05/11/08 07:17 PM
Edited by WolfSoul on Sun 05/11/08 07:17 PM





if she had to "entertain the idea that God does not exist, to be fair the professor has to entertain the idea that God does exist"


I'm sure he did. After all, that is what philosophy is all about isn't it?

JB


Philosophy is notr about entertaining any belief structure. it is about the study (or teaching/learning) of different cultures and their beliefs.


No it is not.

That would be a futile waste of time.

Philosophy is about learning different ways to think.

It is about considering different ways to think.

It is about learning how to THINK.

THINK THINK THINK.

Who gives a crap about learning what other people think if there is nothing to learn from it?

There is nothing to learn from it if you box yourself up into believing only one way... period. And you never want to consider anything else.

You are so wrong about what you think philosophy is about. It is about learning to think.

Therefore if it is what you think it is, then it is an enemy to all Religious doctrine, period. There would be NO POINT in it for any CHRISTIANS OR cult members who are unwilling to THINK.

JB




The idea that you have to be willing to beileve you are wrong, or that you MIGHT be wrong in order to learn sdomething is so much piles of b.s. it isnt even funny.
The idea that philosophy is there to teach you how to think spells brainwashing. Philosophy is not used to teach you how to think. It is there to teach you how OTHERS think. You sit there and tellme that you think the world is flat, columbus fell off the edge, etc (not syayin gyou do, just an example), ok I have learned that yhou think the world is flat, columbus fell off etc. It does not change anything to do with my beliefs or what I think I know. yes you might be ableto convince me otherwise if you had enough proof, no matter how unwilling I am to be proven wrong. BUT that does not mean I am WILLING to be proven wrong, or willing to believe I might be wrong.


Perhaps you should read the definitions from the Oxford Dictionary that I posted. You are in the wrong about the meaning.

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Sun 05/11/08 06:41 PM
Education. A process where knowledge is passed on, discussed and studied. Where a person enters with an open mind ready to accept and learn of other possibilities, things not yet known. It requires a teacher willing to pass on knowledge and a student with an open mind. The student requires the open mind to see all facets of the matter being discussed. If a student has a closed mind for whatever reason then there is no passing of knowledge. A teacher it would seem is bound by their very calling to push a student as much as possible to study, discuss, opinionate and then make a decision as to whether this knowledge may harm their own code of ethics, honor and morals.
The teacher in this case gave a question which specified no religion, no honor code, no ethical code. Requesting only to fulfill a statement for extra credit in the course of study. There is no denial of earned credit in the course of study. The student alone decides whether to accept the extra question or refuse, based on their own sense of honor, ethics and morals and knowledge.
There is no discrimination. No prejudice. A simple question to be answered according to each their own mind, knowledge and heart.
I apologize for the length of this.

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