Shining Armour wrote:

Who do you think God is? some kind of dumbass?

Shining Armour wrote:

Ummmm Dragoness. I sense lack of understanding. Allow me to explain.

First off NO the bible is not the solution. Your right.

Let's look at this from the position of science. Here we have bob the human. Bob has six fingers on his right hand. Lets say bob has offspring and passes this defect on to them. Now they all have six fingers on their right hand.

It's the same way with sin. Sin his passed on from one generation to the next. That's the thinking anyway.

Hope I answered your question!

Hello Abracadabra; as I said to Gwendolyn salvation is entirely a work of God. We are born a soul in sinful body; a soul that will live forever (after the body dies) if one does not care where his or her soul spends eternity there should be no fear. But here the thing your soul has to return to its creator. You see God is not out to get us; He created us and we have no other choice but to return to our creator. Its how our soul return that matters. That’s why God provides forgiveness of sin and salvation from eternal punishment through Jesus Christ. I believe this because the Bible is the Word of God and Jesus really lived, died, and rose again. Abracadabra please be careful about your response calling God a demon you are treading very close to committing the unpardonable sin. I hope we can talk farther

Can you quote those numerous scriptures?

That's right Gwen. You see what people try to do here is mix religions. As you can see by your own post here, it does not work :)

One must be wrong. I assume your going to say that the bible is wrong and the earth is billions of years old.

What "original story"?

If you think the Bible represents some sort of "original story" you've been brainwashed brother.

There is nothing "original" about the Bible. In fact the bulk of it is just a rehash of previous mythologies. It contains all the same sort of superstitions that are associated with all the manmade mythologies that where being spread around the Mediterranean region.



That depends on who's "Creation myths" you're talking about. Evolution is perfectly compatible with Easter Mysticism.



Evolution is not a "religion" by any stretch of the imagination. That rumor is being propagated by Christian proselytizers who will quickly lie about things in an effort to support their religious myths.

Evolution is a scientific observation of reality. True, when Dawin first proposed this based on his observations of reality, it was highly controversial. And of course it would be because clashes with the Christian myth just as you suggest. However, as time passed and more and more scientists began to look at the observational evidence, the fact that life on Earth evolved from lower life forms into higher ones became clear.

In fact, today, with our knowledge and understanding of DNA and genetics we even now understand how it actually works.

So to say that evolution is a 'religion' is truly nothing more than outright lies being spread around by Christian zealots who are in denial of the failings of their own mythology.



It's not my job to educated people. What do you think I am? A FREE university?

There are many books and video lectures on Eastern Mysticism. If you're interested in learning about it I'll suggest Deepak Chopra as a name you can look up. He's written many books on it and also have quite a view videos out as well.

Your ignorance of world philosophies is not my problem.

Moreover, the bulk of Christian proselytizers that I speak with refuse to even consider anything outside of the biblical story. They have already made up their mind that they simply aren't interested in considering anything beyond that. And then hypocritically they accuse other people of having "closed minds" because they won't BLINDLY accept the Christian myths.

Here's the FACTS ShiningArmour.

1. Evolution is an observed truth of reality, it's not a religion.
2. Christian proselytizers have absolutely no problem lying to support their religious convictions.
3. The Biblical stories contain a myriad of self-contradictions.
4. As you have pointed out, the biblical stories and the observed truths of the universe cannot possibly both be true.
5. The Bible is not the "original story". Not by any stretch of the imagination.
6. There exist other spiritual philosophies and creation myths that are indeed compatible with what is actually observed to be true of this universe.
7. Eastern Mysticism does not conflict with any known science or observations of the real world.
8. The Abrahamic picture of "god" is convoluted and twisted, and clearly in opposition to itself. This is why we currently have Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the myriad of confused and conflicting sects of Protestantism.
9. No two Christians can even agree on what their doctrine is saying in the details.
10. The biblical male-chauvinistic jealous god figure of the Bible necessarily has all the normal human frailties that we associate with mortal men.

Finally, why support this picture?

Just like I asked Cowboy.

Why support a picture of God that has us basically in the doghouse with our creator?

Especially why support this picture on pure faith?

Who wouldn't be utterly thrilled to discover that the biblical picture if wrong?

We shouldn't be bending over backwards to try to justify these absurd myths. Instead we should indeed reject them until they can be proven to be true.

Otherwise, what's the point in placing 'faith' in them?

Just out of fear that if they might be true some God might be angry with us for not believing them?

That very notion right there is a contradiction to the idea that God is all-wise. Any all-wise entity would know that to not believe in something does not constitute rejection of it.

You don't believe that Zeus is God. Are you rejecting Zeus?

Of course, not. All you are doing is saying that you don't believe that the Greek myths have anything to do with God.

Well, it the same way with the Hebrew myth. To recognize them as myths is in no way 'rejecting' their content. Yet, these very myths claim that to not believe in them is indeed to reject their content. But that, my friend, is a clear and obvious lie.

So the whole thing is based on a lie. It totally sits on a big fat lie. And this is precisely why these stories cannot be from any all-wise God.

Shinning Armour wrote:

Thinking that man has "Evolved" from a lower animal means one has to edit the original story line.

You simply can't mix evolution with creation because they do not mesh.

Evolution is in itself a religion. As is Christianity. You must take one or the other. Not both.

Further more you constantly go about eastern mystical whatever but you never explain your thinking. Perhaps if you go on to explain you could get further?

About noah, I don't think they had a bible back then. It was not till some time later that the law was written. You have to notice that at this time the earth was still young. Dinosaurs were around,The earth never got any rain, It was tropical all the time, and due to some outside recources there was an increased amount of oxygen which accounted for longer life spans. Like that of Methousala. Things were way different in the beginning. I doubt they even had books or paper much less stone tablets.

One religion states that a bunch of evolutionary processes took place. Most of which make very little sense.

The other states that a being outside space and time made everything. I find this makes slightly more sense. Then again I'm not a scientist.

Both of these religions have different thoughts on mans origin. They can't both be right.

About noah, I don't think they had a bible back then. It was not till some time later that the law was written. You have to notice that at this time the earth was still young. Dinosaurs were around,The earth never got any rain, It was tropical all the time, and due to some outside recources there was an increased amount of oxygen which accounted for longer life spans. Like that of Methousala. Things were way different in the beginning. I doubt they even had books or paper much less stone tablets.