my personal view point aside, I am thank full for all of you (if I agree with your view points or not) that are still capable and willing to do the job. even those who are helping out as best they can, those who were not fully prepared. helping those with the training so they have more time to do what they were trained for.

so from me to you, THANK YOU. and as all ways be safe.

even after they admit, their actions of protection (at least here in the states) did more harm to the people they were trying to protect, then their actions took??

the reasons our lock downs stopped, so early in most states, was the harm it was doing to both the communities, and the economies in which people lived, and relied on for their well being.
this was also realized in NZ. when your prime minister, acknowledged the most recent lock downs were doing little to reduce the spread of the covid virus.
which is why the lock downs were reduced, allowing more of a return to a more normal lifestyle.

and what about those in the medical community that say anti vaxers that get covid dont deserve to be treated . saying they made their choice. so they got what they asked for?? how does that fit in??

there is no right to health.. there is a right to health care, if a person seaks it out, (theres also the right to refuse health care).
health is a human condition, and every one of us live in various states of it. and each fall victim to injury and aliments that can put our health at risk either for a short time, or over the remainder of our lives.

we have a right to life, . and the freedom to live it, as best we can. as we choose to live it, in the pursuit of happiness until our last free breath.

whether, that medical care is, choosing to get vaccinated against covid, or being treated after getting covid (if necessary). or getting treated after getting the vaccine for covid ( be it for side effects or infection)
to an earlier question asked.
I would not even care if the surgeon actually had covid.. if the result was, I had a skilled surgeon that saved my life. I would be happy to have them then have the surgery postponed untill a vaccinated surgeon was available, that did not have shaky hands from being over worked.

I also stated it would continue to mutate.TAZ

sorry to say this, but I told you it was not going to go away.
vaccinated or not, people will continue to get sick from it, and some will still die with it. covid is not going any where. it is here to stay. just like the flu.
of those 233 (ish) daily hospitalizations and deaths from the article, how many of them were fully vaccinated? how many had previous expossure, and how many were /are actual clean new cases?

blondey I guess I should have added these as well, but since you live in NZ, I thought you all ready knew your governments state policy, mirrors your medical councils. and Vice versa and it covers teachers, police fire and rescue ect.. not just medical.. and since it is also enforcing strict lock downs,( though starting to come to terms with not being able to stop covid, and admitting they will have to try to live with it.) people are still being kept home, not working, so not earning money, so they, and their families are made to suffer.
as more information is being learned about the long term in-effectiveness of the vaccines, and the long term side effects of them. it will be harder and harder to keep it out of the news.


New Zealand's doctors and teachers must soon be vaccinated ...
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Oct 11, 2021 · A Health worker administers vaccinations at a pop-up drive-in clinic Monday, Oct. 11, 2021, in Auckland, New Zealand. New Zealand's doctors and teachers are …

New Zealand's doctors and teachers must soon be vaccinated ...
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Oct 11, 2021 · A Health worker administers vaccinations at a pop-up drive-in clinic Monday, Oct. 11, 2021, in Auckland, New Zealand. New Zealand's doctors and teachers are among those who must soon be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus to continue working in their professions, the government announced Monday. WELLINGTON, New Zealand — Most of New Zealand's health care workers and teachers will …

New Zealand's doctors and teachers must soon be vaccinated
https://news.yahoo.com/zealands-doctors-teachers-must-soon-044253913.html
Oct 11, 2021 · New Zealand's doctors and teachers are among those who must soon be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus to continue working in their professions, the government announced Monday, Oct. …

New Zealand's doctors and teachers must soon be vaccinated ...
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Oct 11, 2021 · New Zealand’s doctors and teachers must soon be vaccinated. The Associated Press | October 11, 2021. A Health worker administers vaccinations at a pop-up drive-in clinic Monday, Oct. 11, 2021, in Auckland, New Zealand. New Zealand’s doctors and teachers are among those who must soon be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus to continue working in their professions, the government …

New Zealand makes COVID vaccines mandatory for doctors ...
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Oct 11, 2021 · New Zealand says it will soon require most of its healthcare workers and teachers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. The new vaccine mandate, announced on Monday, compels doctors ...

New Zealand's doctors and teachers must soon be vaccinated ...
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Oct 11, 2021 · WELLINGTON, New Zealand — Most of New Zealand's health care workers and teachers will soon be legally required to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, the government announced Monday. A new ...

Stop 'no jab, no job' for teachers/doctors in NZ - change.org
https://www.change.org/p/sign-the-petition-stop-no-jab-no-job-for-teachers-doctors-in-nz
On the 11th October, Chris Hipkins announced that there will be a ‘no jab, no job’ policy in New Zealand. Medical apartheid is described as ‘the act of denying/refusing one’s human rights’.Teachers will lose their jobs. What were once hardworking, caring teachers will now be not allowed to work and forced to resign.Doctors will lose their jobs.

honestly from what I'm reading about the NZ stance. I'm surprised your government is not rolling up, going door to door and injecting people. or arresting them on the spot.

well since your medical councel has declared a zero tolerance against any one speaking out about the information not state approved( what thy call miss information).
I find any one with the courage to stand against them worthy of note.

are they are really trying enforced re-education on those medical staff that don't agree with the state view. for refusing to down play the risks of getting vaccinated, reporting the number of vaccine breakthrough cases, ect...? just because they dont want the public to know?

if the state tells every one get the shots they are safe (basically out lawing any info to the contrary), and if you dont get vaccinated you are likely to get very sick and possibly die. (which is just a small percentage of cases. even if the numbers seam large)
and if you still dont comply. those refusing to will remain shut down and punished by other means.
it is not surprising, that so many will choose to get vaccinated. over starving their family's, is it?
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Oct 07, 2021 · Yesterday it was reported anti-vax GPs were hindering the rollout in Northland, where an essential worker has tested positive for Covid-19.. Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins denounced anti-vax GPs, but said it was up to the Medical Council to deal with them.. Medical Council chairperson Doctor Curtis Walker told Morning Report on Friday "I can't speak about individual cases or ...

MIL-Evening Report: Medical Council has ‘zero tolerance ...
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https://asiapacificreport.nz/2021/10/08/medical-council-has-zero-tolerance-for-nz-anti-vax-advice-44-new-cases/

while trying to fact check, and finding page after page of articles stating get the jab or loose your job.
I found this, a government official speaking out against getting vaccinated stating it is a personal choice..

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453496/thames-coromandel-mayor-refuses-to-get-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine

https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/nz-doctors-sign-statement-against-covid-fear

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/10/13/horowitz-dr-mccullough-testifies-in-court-that-cms-data-potentially-signal-much-higher-vaccine-death-toll/

while the oregon department of education is boasting a 96% vaccination rate for teachers in the class room.. they also reported that there is 64% fewer eligible teachers, to fill the needed requirements of the state. (I mentioned earlier how desperate they are to fill the education rosters.


not that I got anything against a good block party,
reporting percentages is all in the spin of those presenting the data.
I would not say your doctors are ALL united blondey.. I am finding that just like here.. NZ have issues with walk outs as well being threatened with loosing their jobs if they dont comply..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125605155/the-doctors-trying-to-

https://newsrescue.com/when-accomplished-doctors-are-rubbished-as-insane-see-growing-list-of-doctors-against-mandatory-jabs-dismissed-by-mainstream/hijack-new-zealands-covid19-vaccination-rollout
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445488/medical-council-cannot-reveal-what-action-taken-against-anti-pfizer-vaccine-doctors


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/nzma-says-doctors-who-aren-t-vaccinated-against-covid-19-shouldn-t-see-patients.html

colin powell died today over complications from covid, he was fully vaccinated..
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/colin-powell-former-secretary-of-state-who-made-case-for-iraq-invasion-dies-of-covid-complications-at-84.html

here we are concerned if we will loose another 13% , the estimated remaining medical/first responder staff that have been allowed to still work, with out being vaccinated.
when the october 18th dead line set by our govenor, for vaccination mandates are reached...we have all ready had so many leave / terminated over mandates, that it is doing a lot more harm then good.
edit: I just heard this morning,
this week, we lost 40 people to covid with underlying conditions, 27 were fully vaccinated.

LOL, I can hear the law suite now, your honor, during intercourse the defendant infected my client with an un wanted Sexually Transmitted Vaccine. ;-)

Covid vaccines do induce more antibodies than the immune system does after a coronavirus infection.

But the immune system response to infection appears to outshine its response to vaccines when it comes to memory B cells.

If the effect is replicated in children who are unlikely to develop Covid symptoms, it raises the prospect that they could be better protected by natural immunity than vaccination.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10075577/Natural-Covid-infection-produces-stronger-secondary-immune-response-vaccine-study-claims.html

Many have postulated reasons why the rates are so low in Africa, including attributing it to the widespread use of Ivermectin wonder drug, the use of anti-malarials, vitamin D and zinc generous use, BCG vaccination history and other reasons. While some suggest that the cases may be a bit higher but underreported, one cannot escape the fact that there are no widespread deaths as have been seen in India, New York, Italy and the like.

https://newsrescue.com/covid-cases-drop-20-in-africa-despite-under-8-total-vaccination-latest-who-records-show/



Ron DeSantis: People who “have recovered (from COVID-19) have very strong immunity.”

PolitiFact rating: Mostly True


Comparing natural versus vaccine immunity
Israeli researchers looked at thousands of medical records. In one part of the study, they compared over 16,000 patients who were previously infected and never vaccinated against another 16,000 who had only received the Pfizer vaccine. They factored in age, gender, health and when they were infected or vaccinated.

They found that the vaccinated group that did not report any prior infection was much more at risk of catching COVID-19 later on than those who had already been infected but not vaccinated. There was a 13-fold higher risk of a breakthrough infection compared with reinfection.

"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection," the Aug. 25 study said.



https://citizenfreepress.com/column-2/the-power-of-natural-covid-immunity/

New work out of Rockefeller University adds weight to the Israeli findings. It focuses on the body’s molecular level defenses against the virus, especially the memory B cell. Long after the initial antibody response fades, these cells hold on to the blueprint of the virus and when they see it in the body months later, they crank up the antibodies to crush it.

Both vaccinations and natural exposure build memory B cells. But the Rockefeller team found that the memory B cells produced through natural infection are more robust. They continue to evolve over the months, while the vaccination-driven memory B cells stopped changing after about two months. When facing variants, the naturally occurring memory B cells delivered better protection.

I'm sure you know (since your a nurse)
just as there are doctors singing the praises of the vaccines..

there are warnings from other doctors and nurses about the vaccines not doing the job as well as intended.
and there are the multiple reports by them, of the permanent damage being caused by the vaccines side effects, including death, heart damage, and debilitating strokes ect.... and as I have all ready shown, , I could call up more links from medical professionals. (that others call miss information). just as you have to show support for vaccines.


but it is not just the medical community speaking out.
teachers have also walked off the job and have been terminated as well over mandates.
and to try to fill the void using substitutes.
school districts cut requirements from having graduate degrees, to just being students/under graduates with bachelors degree's.
that also failed. so, now they just need to be 18, and pass a back ground check.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-teacher-shortage-prompts-state-to-ease-substitute-rules/ar-AAPoz4k
so just like hospitals, in some states, actually being licensed and qualified. are no longer required. to fill the role, of dismissed qualified personnel that chose not to be bullied into being vaccinated..

good luck...I think women dont think, thats honestly what some of us, really are looking for.

today I helped the boss man clean out his attic, then got to test a bunch of new toys
(power equipment) for work. pretty cool to get paid to slack off, and goof around. from time to time.

A survey conducted by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has found that 58 percent of physicians are not fully vaccinated against COVID-19. The AAPS survey comes on the back of another survey conducted by the American Medical Association (AMA) which claimed that almost 96 percent of doctors are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus.

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/06/25/the-majority-of-american-physicians-remain-unvaccinated.html

also, because of the severe lack of qualified staff, several states have dropped nursing licenses as a requirement, allowing hospitals to hire nursing students strait from their collages(so their practicing with out a license). this is in addition to the national guard personnel all ready drafted to help them out..

the AMA reports are those who are still allowed to practice, practicing physicians is the key word blondey,
what they are not saying are the numbers of those who left, or have been let go,
that are no longer allowed to practice. so they are not counted in the AMA's final tally..

this while new reports of the J&J vaccine killing more people due to blood clots,
just released this morning. and hospitalization of vaccinated increases by over 1000% since the mandated have been put in place,with a wide range of side effects. because more people are getting (or are being forced) to take the shots.
also theres several reports that 50-60 % of the people most at risk, showing up in hospitals with the virus, were fully immunized.

https://www.citizensjournal.us/dod-data-show-that-60-of-covid-hospitalizations-in-65-and-older-patients-are-fully-vaccinated/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-60-of-covid-hospitalizations-in-older-americans-among-fully-vaccinated-govt-data-reveals/

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/studies-covid-vaccine-protection-waning-against-infection-not

local news this morning announced,
after 15,000 medical and support staff were forced off the job with more slated to be dismissed.. hospital workers across the state, have announced they will go on strike.
siting un fair/unsafe working conditions.
this is due to being severely understaffed, over worked and their inability to properly care for the patients, that they feel are being put at risk by the state.

this is in solidarity with those who have been forcibly removed from their jobs.
there is more then legal ramifications.
there are personal lively hoods and freedoms involved.
most governments are not dictatorships, and they answer to the people.
and people are fighting back.