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Wed 03/13/13 02:48 PM





Presently I do not have to handle conflicts, and emotional aggression with a partner. If I have to fight with a man in any way while I am getting to know him as a "friend" only, then he is definately out of the picture for any future partner. I love peace and have much of it now, and I don't see that changing.bigsmile
:thumbsup: same here, exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth. If I get even the slightest hostility or argumentative tone from a man it is over. I live a very peaceful life now and I've been thru enough with controlling behavior from partners. I don't need to put up with that now

I am not the kind of person who is going to do snything to get hostile or aggressive about....so if he does it's inappropriate. I ended things with a man I dated last year for this very reason.

I don't want to see any temper display...not even an angry facial expression...or it's off. I know I'm picky, but I've earned it.


I think everyone loses their temper every once in a while, even if they don't want to admit it. So, expecting someone to never, ever get angry seems strange to me.


I understand singme...as long as it is not with me, I can usually deal


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I do not care if he is angry either. But when he gets angry it is over. I delt with that in 2009 with a man and he only had One inperson date with me, and he tried over and over for a year to get another date with me, but No way.noway
I wouldn't want to be with someone who could "lose it" at anytime either. ("Lose it" over any little thing with no advanced warning.) YUK!...I'd rather be with someone who was even-tempered and stable and consistent.

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Wed 03/13/13 02:42 PM


Into every passionate relationship a little rain must fall… and when it does it can end in a fight between two angry opponents that only moments before were friends and lovers…


Uh, doesn't the OP refer to a situation that may be fictional only?

When my late wife and I had a disagreement about something, I never though of my wife as being an opponent.

Could the "opponents" claim be a case of projection on the part of the party making the claim?
I don't like to think in terms of being "opponents" either...Playfulness can create passion in a relationship too. It doesn't have to come from fighting and being "at war." This is how I feel anyway.

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Wed 03/13/13 07:42 AM



Expecting another person to make you ultimately happy in a relationship is I believe a sign of immaturity.
You and only you can make yourself happy and that is something I'm proud to have learned.
But is it really too much to expect equal, reciprocal caring and nurturing? I am a giver with a huge heart and I guess I just need to be smart enough to look for a person who will feed it and not drain it I guess.
....and I generally try to avoid volcanoes. laugh


True too...
Happiness comes from within-you are your own source of happiness-others just add to it!!

And,
NO,in a healthy relationship; being cared for and nurtured is what is expected! Its not ''asking for too much''-a relationship is a two way street!!
Find some one who gives as much as receives! Well,even gives more....that cant hurt!


Ahhhhh...now see there lies the rub.
I realized something fascinating about myself when a good friend and I tried to take our relationship to 'the next step'. He was loving, giving, caring, nurturing and I was soooo unused to that in a partner that I back pedalled faster than you can believe.
It felt uncomfortable to have the roles reversed and to have someone else taking care of me.
Part of that is family history, with no father to speak of and being in foster homes at an early age. There was never anyone in my corner that I could trust, so to be asked to trust someone intimately goes against every lesson I've learned.
But at least I know the problem right? *wink*
I've figured it out, and now I'm ready to test it out with my next relationship. I'm holding out until I find the guy who's going to appreciate and nurture me and he's going to have to be pretty patient too, as I learn to let go and to trust him. Trusting someone with your heart is a very scary process.
I hope you find a gentle and understanding man who has a lot of patience. My "last" husband was this way with me...When we met I was fearful and "damaged" from 2 failed marriages earlier in life and I had been on my own for a long time. (With just my kids.)...I was used to "doing" for myself and a little suspicious when people seemed too caring. (Did the caring and kindness come with "strings?")...My husband and I were "just friends" for two years and he never pushed for "more."...During our years as friends I gained trust in him...He wasn't needy and clingy. Quite the opposite...He took pride in being well-rounded and self-sufficient. And he didn't want to turn me into a needy and helpless female just to pump-up his ego...Anyway he knew my background and never got "pushy" and had the patience of a "saint!" And little by little I let down my "guard" and let him into my heart.

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Wed 03/13/13 06:40 AM


My Dad had periodic rage-attacks and turned into a "madman." So I got used to being around angry and unreasonable people at an early age..I stood-up to my Dad as I got older and held my "ground" despite his rantings and ravings...Both my Mom and I kept telling him to "grow-up."..He was a kind and caring and reasonable person most of the time and even playful...He just let his feelings build-up over time until he reached a "boiling point" and "erupted" on a periodic basis...One time I told him he reminded me of the Wizard of Oz character in the movie. The "wizard" tried to scare and control the town by making noises with a computer-like machine. ( But it was all a "smoke screen.")..There was no real "wizard." Just a shy and cowardly man who wanted to keep everyone "at bay."...I don't usually get intimidated by angry or defensive people due to my experiences with my Dad... I "stand my ground" and "mess" with their head. But I prefer mellow and reasonable people (most of all) who don't become "hyper-emotional" and erratic!


Good morning Green Eyes, I have to rush off to work again this morning, so I can't detail my response to your message in length, but I will say this much... my dad was mellow and sensitive, and if he hurt me in any way, via a punishment brought about by my mother's influence, he would deeply apologize to me when she wasn't around, even with tears in his, and assure me of his unconditional love... so, the way I look at men is... if my own father didn't think it was beneath him to admit when he was wrong or caused pain, then no other man in my life will be able to convince me that men don't cry or apologize when they've made mistakes that were a result of anger or other emotional issues... gotta go now... be back this evening... have a great day... flowerforyou
I'm glad your Dad apologized to you...My Dad apologized and cried at times too...And it's always been easy for me to apologize when I feel I "screwed-up" or made mistakes etc... We're all bound to make mistakes at times. No one is perfect! And like you I prefer to be around people (men and women) who don't think it's a crime (or beneath them) to apologize when need be.

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Wed 03/13/13 06:29 AM


My Dad had periodic rage-attacks and turned into a "madman." So I got used to being around angry and unreasonable people at an early age..I stood-up to my Dad as I got older and held my "ground" despite his rantings and ravings...Both my Mom and I kept telling him to "grow-up."..He was a kind and caring and reasonable person most of the time and even playful...He just let his feelings build-up over time until he reached a "boiling point" and "erupted" on a periodic basis...One time I told him he reminded me of the Wizard of Oz character in the movie. The "wizard" tried to scare and control the town by making noises with a computer-like machine. ( But it was all a "smoke screen.")..There was no real "wizard." Just a shy and cowardly man who wanted to keep everyone "at bay."...I don't usually get intimidated by angry or defensive people due to my experiences with my Dad... I "stand my ground" and "mess" with their head. But I prefer mellow and reasonable people (most of all) who don't become "hyper-emotional" and erratic!

Ah now see with my father it was dead opposite. He would get angry and if you said the wrong word it led into us being hurt. So my mother and I would 'scheme' to keep life in our home as calm as possible and we even had plans what to do to escape him when he went off.
This taught me the opposite of what you just said. Confrontation and anger are to be avoided at all times as they lead to bad things. I had to unlearn this as an adult, but still most of the time I get jello knees and flocks of butterflies in my tummy when I have to deal with someone who is angry. I've learned how to do it and what to say and have been very successful, but that little girl is still inside me trying to run away and hide.
I've learned that anger can be productive if used correctly and have even allowed myself to express those feelings from time to time. I know that it's not an inherent part of my personality and that I'd far rather hide, cry, or manipulate but that's the child in me and HER coping mechanisms.
Thanks for being so open and honest..My Mom and Dad were both "equally strong." (And this was way back in the 40's and 50's and 60's etc.)...My Mom had a "big heart" but she didn't take "guff" from anyone...I guess I learned that we don't do anyone any "favors" by "covering" for them. I think we're on earth to help each other "grow" through "wake-calls."...People who rely on "smoke screens" (anger and defensiveness and intimidation tactics) are actually blocking and stunting their own "growth." And they make it hard for the people around them to "grow" too...Everyone keeps getting pulled back into the "muck" and dysfunction and life becomes "toxic" and unhealthy for the entire family...So I keep all of this in mind when I run into angry and defensive people. I actually view them as "scared little kids" who haven't developed healthy coping skills...They can "huff" and "puff" all they want to around me but I "see through" their "smoke screens" and tactics. I ask them to please start acting a little more "grown-up." (So we can talk in adult-to-adult ways.)...If they keep "ranting" and "raving" I cut things off (while keeping my "cool") and ask them to leave. (Until they are able to keep a grip on their emotions and talk in "civil ways.")

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Wed 03/13/13 04:48 AM
I was shy and studious in grammar school. (For the most part.)..But all hell broke loose when I entered high school...My parents sent me to a snooty and snobby Catholic girl's academy..I gave some of the nuns a bad time and questioned everything. The dean "asked me to leave" in the middle of my junior year...Later in life I put myself through college and became a serious student again...But I never stopped questioning things... I just became a little more mellow and "diplomatic" through the years.

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Wed 03/13/13 04:11 AM
My Dad had periodic rage-attacks and turned into a "madman." So I got used to being around angry and unreasonable people at an early age..I stood-up to my Dad as I got older and held my "ground" despite his rantings and ravings...Both my Mom and I kept telling him to "grow-up."..He was a kind and caring and reasonable person most of the time and even playful...He just let his feelings build-up over time until he reached a "boiling point" and "erupted" on a periodic basis...One time I told him he reminded me of the Wizard of Oz character in the movie. The "wizard" tried to scare and control the town by making noises with a computer-like machine. ( But it was all a "smoke screen.")..There was no real "wizard." Just a shy and cowardly man who wanted to keep everyone "at bay."...I don't usually get intimidated by angry or defensive people due to my experiences with my Dad... I "stand my ground" and "mess" with their head. But I prefer mellow and reasonable people (most of all) who don't become "hyper-emotional" and erratic!

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Tue 03/12/13 09:22 AM
What were you like in the past? (Compared to today?)...Did your life take a lot of twists and turns along the way?.. Do you think that friends you knew in grammar school or high school would be surprised at who you are today? And surprised at how your life turned-out? Just curious...

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Tue 03/12/13 06:58 AM
Some men can be a little passive. Maybe they were raised this way and taught that this is the key to being a gentleman or ?...They seem to think that being "nice" and "pleasing" (and even compliant) is the way to win a woman's heart....I wouldn't want a controlling and dominant man. But I'm not looking for a total "people-pleaser" either...It's great when both partners have strong "selves" of their own (And preferences and interests and ideas etc.)...It's fun to take turns at suggesting activities and making compromises when need be...I don't want to be controlled or told "what to do." And I don't want to be placed in a "controlling role" either...It's more fun to be equals and best-friends. And decide on things together. (When mutual decisions need to be made.)

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Tue 03/12/13 06:30 AM


A real woman must be femine,humble,neat,submissive,a help mate,royal,a mother,caring,a good cook and sexy. That is what will make your man crazy about you he will always wanna be with you.No reasonable man can resist a real woman. Let me know what you think.

For me being a real doesnt count on how you put and fit yourself on your partners life. Sometimes being real is in you. Who you are after experienced mold you from nobody to somebody. Being a real woman doesnt mean to be submissive. We always have a choice.
I agree with you...Playing out a fixed and assigned role isn't about "being real." It involves following lots of "rules.".. How can we be "real" or "true to ourselves" when we're obligated to "stay in line" and follow a "set pattern" all the time?

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Tue 03/12/13 05:51 AM

Amazing...no one has mentioned the changes in religion.
When I was young, everyone went to church on Sunday, these days I'm almost afraid to say that I'm going to church on Sunday for fear of the raised eyebrows and questioning looks.
Yes it's true that when your faith says you can't divorce, you look at marriage in a whole different light. It's a one shot deal so you gotta make it work. Problem with this is that those people who were caught in abusive relationships had no easy way out.
But now in just one generation, we've swung the other way where the out is so easy it's considered the norm. 'Oh...he's not working out? Get a divorce!' I'm hoping that the pendulum may swing the other way to a happy medium.
I'm all for couples working through problems so they can stay together too. (If possible.)...My views aren't based on religious beliefs. I just hate to see so many people run into heartache and disappointments (over and over again) to the point that they lose faith and trust in "love" entirely. (And get bitter and burnt-out.)...It's sad when children get put in the middle of their parents' "grudges" and anger toward each other. (Or anger towards the opposite sex in general.) Don't you think?...Children need good role-models so they will be able to create happy and healthy and loving relationships (themselves) when they become adults.

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Tue 03/12/13 04:21 AM


When partners expect each other to play out "fixed roles" this can lead to problems...The roles can block growth and create a "ball and chain" existence...Life becomes nothing more than meeting expectations and boring roles and ruts and routines..."Same old, same old" gets "old."...But it's different when each partner feels free to grow and evolve through the years and see "new sides" to who they are. (Within the framework of their marriage.)


I must have done it all wrong... In my last marriage of 18 yrs, I let mine be whoever, and do whatever, he wanted... and as the years progressed he grew away from me, not closer, actually changing into somebody I didn't recognize...
Sorry about your experiences...My husband and I were constantly coming-up with new ideas and taking on new challenges "together." We started and ran new businesses together. (Combining our skills.)..Once in awhile we branched out on our "own" a little more. But we helped and supported each other in a "back-up" positions and still "shared all" with each other...I don't think there was anything we didn't know about each other because we shared our thoughts and feelings and experiences and "dreams" with each other on a continual basis. (Through-out the course of each day.)...My son was close to both of us too. We all loved being close and "sharing all" with each other...Now I just have the cats to talk to and it gets pretty lonely at times.

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Tue 03/12/13 04:00 AM
All women and all men don't want the same exact things when it comes to relationships...Basically we're all individuals with our very own wants and needs and preferences. And each couple needs to figure-out what works best for them....Making assumptions about the opposite sex "in general" and carrying around a lot of expectations just leads to break-ups and heartache (down the road) for all concerned.

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Tue 03/12/13 03:15 AM
When partners expect each other to play out "fixed roles" this can lead to problems...The roles can block growth and create a "ball and chain" existence...Life becomes nothing more than meeting expectations and boring roles and ruts and routines..."Same old, same old" gets "old."...But it's different when each partner feels free to grow and evolve through the years and see "new sides" to who they are. (Within the framework of their marriage.)

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Sun 03/10/13 07:16 AM
Leigh...Thanks for responding. Sorry about your neighbor. I have a male neighbor who goes on and on and on too...He's a widower and I know he's lonely without his wife..I finally had to tell him that I was sorry but I just couldn't be his one and only friend...And I'm not interested in a "love" relationship right now either...For awhile he used to come knocking at my door everyday to tell me about his latest problem. Or just to "run" some of his thoughts "by me" etc...Finally I told him that he was a grown man and I had confidence that he could "figure-out" solutions to his problems on his own. (I patted him on his arm and shoulder when I said this.)..I'm a widow (with no family left) and I'm on my own now too...Part of my growth process involves "figuring things out" for myself. (This is how I feel anyway.)...I don't like gossip either. This is why I tend to just "keep to myself."

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Sun 03/10/13 06:18 AM





Hey Richard...What do you mean by "desperately seeking various forms of escape"?...Are you saying some people feign interest as a way to ingratiate themselves to a man or woman they are trying to control, are

Not this. Many people are unhappy, and so they seek things to do to distract them from their sorrow. An alternative is to find out why there is sorrow in the first place.

You bring up an important thought. If someone is babbling doesn't it imply that they aren't giving care to what they are saying?
And if that is the case, I can understand how it would be tiresome listen to.


Understand...Rather than fix what's wrong with them they avoid by finding ways to escape their unhappiness or better, their own reality...

It could imply that as well as a lot of other things I would think...Mental illness, depression, poor social skills, attention deficit disorder, loneliness, a need for attention ...the list goes on and on...
The notion of social-skills can be tricky since we all come from different backgrounds and cultures. Don't you think?...What is the norm in our particular culture? How are men and women expected to "act?" What are the "rules" when it comes to "talking" (or not?)...Are we suppose to be passive and agreeable at all times? Or is it okay to "speak-out" and say how we "honestly feel?"...Is it "okay" to tell someone that we'd like to "switch topics" for awhile? Or ask for a little silence and "quiet time?" I think it all depends on our culture and "programming." Don't you?


Morning Claire...I think it's COULD depend on culture in SOME cases, but only in part and depending on the conversation...I think good manners, social etiquette, and plain old common sense transcend cultural differences...And we are talking about blabbering, as in takling non stop...In my experience there is usually an underlying reason and it never seems to be anything but negative...

Good morning to you too!...I run into people in my area who complain non-stop to me and anyone else around...When I see them with their friends I notice that everyone complains most of the time. (So I figure it must be their culture.)..If someone joined their group and talked about too many positive things I'm sure they would be regarded as a weirdo or an "outcast."...I live in a "melting pot" kind of area with "mixed cultures." So I "tread lightly" and listen most of all. (Listen and observe and try to gain some understanding about the "rules" and norms in all the various cultures.)...I know some people who barely talk at all. Yet other people seem to get "antsy" and nervous when there is silence. (And rush right in to fill-up the "void.")...I try to spend the majority of my time with people who prefer "2-way conversations." And people who share some of my interests...Years ago I lived in an area where there was more of a "common culture." But now I'm part of a "mixed bag." And I want to be tolerant and non-judgemental...Quite a few men in this area are big, big talkers. (They are not shy or "reserved.") But it seems to make them happy to talk so this is good.

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Sun 03/10/13 04:49 AM

This is going to sound overly “girly”, but I’m going there anyway. The last man I dated seriously was entirely too handsome. He had women of all ages flirting with him anywhere we went. I was VERY aware of it, and to be honest, kind of liked it. There was something really romantic in knowing that every day he could have his pick of really sexy women and every day, he chose to be with goofy little moi. Then again, it might have felt different to me had he ever flirted back.
I can relate...My husband didn't have "movie star" looks but he was "handsome enough."... It was his personality that drew people to him. He was cute and friendly (to all) and "full of life!"...He could really "light-up a room" yet he was modest and humble.. It was his joy and excitement and zest for life that made him so attractive and endearing...And he showed interest in everyone and knew how to make sincere and heartwarming and meaningful "connections" with people. (Both men and women.)...He never flirted. He always treated women with dignity and respect...Anyway I felt proud of my husband and proud to be married to him.

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Sun 03/10/13 04:27 AM



Hey Richard...What do you mean by "desperately seeking various forms of escape"?...Are you saying some people feign interest as a way to ingratiate themselves to a man or woman they are trying to control, are

Not this. Many people are unhappy, and so they seek things to do to distract them from their sorrow. An alternative is to find out why there is sorrow in the first place.

You bring up an important thought. If someone is babbling doesn't it imply that they aren't giving care to what they are saying?
And if that is the case, I can understand how it would be tiresome listen to.


Understand...Rather than fix what's wrong with them they avoid by finding ways to escape their unhappiness or better, their own reality...

It could imply that as well as a lot of other things I would think...Mental illness, depression, poor social skills, attention deficit disorder, loneliness, a need for attention ...the list goes on and on...
The notion of social-skills can be tricky since we all come from different backgrounds and cultures. Don't you think?...What is the norm in our particular culture? How are men and women expected to "act?" What are the "rules" when it comes to "talking" (or not?)...Are we suppose to be passive and agreeable at all times? Or is it okay to "speak-out" and say how we "honestly feel?"...Is it "okay" to tell someone that we'd like to "switch topics" for awhile? Or ask for a little silence and "quiet time?" I think it all depends on our culture and "programming." Don't you?

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Sun 03/10/13 03:46 AM

I would say that I'm burned out, but stronger for having been in the fire.
Definitely hopeful though with a dash of reality thrown in.
By the way, I have a disability as well, but it's one of those 'hidden disabilities'. Not obvious until you get to know me. Do I consider myself disabled? No..I'm differently abled, and actually I wouldn't be who I am without it.
It's taught me to be empathetic, understanding and considerate. It's part of the package that is me and I think I'm a pretty darn good package all wrapped up in a bow of sunshine and love.
For those of you with disabilities, if you haven't opted out with the 'pity me' cloak that some don, then you are the bravest, kindest, most empathetic souls out there, and the partner who finds you will be getting a helluva gift.
Just my opinion ya know. *wink*
Great post! I admire your attitude!

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Sun 03/10/13 03:41 AM


AthenaRose...I'm probably out of my realm when it comes to these type of situations...I was never involved with men who were big flirts...And there were no rivals waiting in the wings who wanted my man...YUK! It all sounds like a "soap-opera" to me! Or "stuff" people might go through in high-school...Come to think about it I did have a (supposedly) best friend in high-school who went "after" a guy I was dating behind my back...When I found out I stopped seeing my friend and the guy and just started "going it alone" most of all...And this is how I am today..Mostly a loner. I just see friends or step into "groups" once in a great while...So I'm not really part of what goes on in "mainstream society" (or life) very often.


Yes, Green Eyes, I like your style because I can relate... and I'm just as much out of my element when it comes to online sites where people connect and form friendships that can be as strong or as fragile as the real world... I'm really enjoying the many lessons I'm learning about how we all think and handle issues differently... it's so cool, you can ask one question and get 20 different answers and they are all valid... I love the diversity...
I agree...It is interesting to read everyone's "take" on things.

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