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The bottom line is that we make our own choices. There comes a time when you just have to let go of the idea that you can solve their problem or help them if they no longer want your help and are not willing to help themselves. I hope a cure for addiction of all kind is found. To do that, they need to discover what causes addiction in the first place.

Does an alcoholic appreciate a person who is trying to help them? Ultimately, not. If anything they get angry at you if you try to come between them and their addiction. I understand this. Nobody likes to be judged or told what to do.

I was asked by my brother and by his children for help. That was the only reason I went to Al-anon when he started going to AA. I don't like getting into other people's lives but they were living with me so it was not easy to be out of their lives. Their lives directly affected mine.

People create their own lives. That includes alcoholics. Other people, like me, can choose to be involved in that life or not. You can't divorce your brother true enough. (You can divorce your husband.) You have a choice. You can spend your life watching someone you love destroy themselves and everyone around them, or you can choose not to have them in your life. This too is a choice. I would not let him come back into my life or live here again if he is still drinking. I realize I cannot help him. That is not denial.

Jeannie

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but...

who created toilet paper?

Willy:



Jonlaw:


Bry:



teresita:



rabbit:



toastedoranges:



feral:



Lordling:







James:

The understanding of 'God' by many is contained within the interpretation of the Bible reharding 'Gods' emotions, which you realize that I believe are indeed... misplaced and human ones.



Hiya wench...




wouldee:

Hello my friend...

I realize your conviction(s) concerning 'God', Jesus, and spirit. Sometimes your delivery puzzles me... for instance, you posted:



Clear enough of a message for many to understand, I suppose, until later in the same post, when you also claimed something that seemed quite different:



Those two different viewpoints are at odds with each other, are they not? Perhaps it is I who have misunderstood you here?




That statement seems a little presumptious my friend, most unlike most of what I have read from you.





I have understood many of the parables which are reported to have been Jesus' words refer directly to what is within one... The kingdom of 'God'... So, actually I believe that it is Christianity which has made the separation not Jesus.





Agreed!!!





Again, wouldee?... This is a different perspective than you have already given once, while at the same time being the same perspective that you also have already given once.

God either does or does not speak to an individual. I wonder which you believe to be true?





Ahhhh.... so much obvious truth in this statement, however do all understand it as I?





This would all depend on what one is movings towards and/or away from, would it not?

Delusional?







anoasis:



When speaking of a monotheistic 'God' which must be prior to all other things, 'God' was everything, before anything else. Polytheism would not be supported with this concept...





I do not believe in the notion of intentional creation by reason of a 'God' which was everything, thereby could not have been able to distinguish anything from nothing... after all 'God' was everything before anything else. In this thread, I earlier explained this conclusion, so it is not necessary not go into it all in detail once again...

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hello all, it's been awhile since I posted. I have a friend who violated his parole (DWI) and has spent the last 5 mo. finishing jail time. I met him this summer at a small town celebration. He was drinking and I didn't know he was a recovering alcoholic. He slipped off the wagon and ended up in detox and failed to make it to his parole officer's weekly meeting. I had three weeks to get to know him and we were hitting it off until everything happened. I'm scared to death, cuz he gets out next Mon. and wants to know if we can see each other.

I'm wondering if I should not start anything w/ him, cuz he may need rehab (he doesn't think so). I want him to NOT WANT TO DRINK, FOR HIMSELF... NOT CUZ I WANT HIM TO STOP. Is that a smart thing???

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Hi Trout,

I read this in the big book:

We have entered the world of the Spirit. Our next function is to grow in understanding and effectiveness. This is not an overnight matter. It should continue for our lifetime. Continue to watch for selfishness, dishonesty, resentment, and fear. When these crop up, we ask God at once to remove them. We discuss them with someone immediately and make amends quickly if we have harmed anyone. Then we resolutely turn our thoughts to someone we can help. Love and tolerance of others is our code.

A friend O' Bill's

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My late husband was the first person I ever heard call his higher power a door knob? He quit doing that however after some time.
No...I had nothing to do with that.

It was however where I got a better understanding of God for me.


We used to tell guests to use whatever they felt worked for them in place of God, if that was what they needed.
Kat

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My sponsor, also, said "Longevity is a beautiful thing.
The hours turn into days, the days turn into weeks, the weeks turm into months, the months turn into years. We read the book, talk to one another, take the steps, and we grow in our spirituality, but all we really have is today." That is how it began for me. I had to take it one day a time, because my mind could not wrap itself around the idea that I could not have a drink forever. Here I am 20 years later, "One Day At A Time".

Anonymous Not

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addiction i say congradulations to all who have overcome the battle.i have seen many lifes cut short and although i never had that problem i can say that nomatter what drug of choice it is it is not easy it is a disease and people think that you just stop well it is in no way that easy.i smoked for 20 years and the withdraw just from cigarettes was crazy.so i can only imagine what it must be like to overcome something much stronger.one day at a time and get a sponsor if you are ever having a bad day call your sponsor.good luck and best wishes continue to win the war.

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Thanks J
Having recovered from the seemingly hopless state of mind and body, thanks to Bill, Bob and the rest of the gang. I no longer frequent meetings. Still practice my program. I've had many years of exposure, and have been able to give back a little of what was given to me. But I don't believe once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. People who disappear from meetings don't always go back to their old ways, they just quietly live life on life's terms.

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kuddos to those struggling day to day to stay safe and sane. However...so much for the spirit of anonimity and attraction rather than promotion. Sigh,,,whatever happened to the Traditions?

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This sounds eerily like my Miss Chrystal. Oddly enough this young lady is from the same county and town I was, when it was written. She is also a friend of one of my sons. She was a meth user as well as a drinker. She was very young.

They found this poem(letter)after her death in a dresser drawer.

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Meet Mr. and Mrs. Crystal Meth.


I'LL destroy homes – I'll tear families apart.

I'll take your children and that's just a start.

I'm more valued than diamonds, more precious than gold.

The sorrow I'll bring is a sight to behold.

If you need me, remember, I'm easily found.

I live all around you, in school and in town.

I live with the rich, I live with the poor.

I live just down the street and maybe next door.

I'm made in a lab, but not one like you think.

I can be made under the kitchen sink,

I'm in your child's closet, and even out in the woods.

If this scares you to death, then it certainly should.

I have many names. But there's one you'll know best.

I'm sure you've heard of me, my name is Crystal Meth.

My power is awesome, try me, you'll see.

But if you do, you may never break free.

Just try me once and I might let you go.

But if you try me twice, then I'll own your soul.

When I possess you, you'll steal and you'll lie.

You'll do what you have to do, just to get high.

The crimes you commit for my narcotic charms,

Will be worth the pleasures you feel in my arms.

You'll lie to your mother; you'll steal from your dad.

When you see their tears, you must feel sad.

Just forget your morals and how you were raised.

I'll be your conscience, I'll teach you my ways.

I'll take kids from their parents; I'll take parents from their kids.

I'll turn people from God, I'll separate friends.

I'll take everything from you, your looks and your pride.

I'll be with you always, right by your side.

You'll give up everything, your family, your home.

Your money, your true friend, then you'll be alone.

I'll take and take till you have no more to give.

When I'm finished with you, you'll be lucky to live.

If you try me, be warned, this is not a game.

If I'm given the chance, I'll drive you insane.

I'll ravage your body; I'll control your mind.

I'll own you completely; your soul will be mine.

The nightmares I'll give you when you're lying in bed,

And the voices you'll hear from inside your head.

The sweats, the shakes, and the visions from me.

I want you to know these things are gifts from me.

But then it's too late, and you'll know in your heart

That you are now mine and we shall not part.

You'll regret that you tried me (they always do).

But you came to me, not I to you.

You knew this would happen.

Many times you've been told.

But you challenged my power,

You chose to be bold.

You could have said no and then walked away.

If you could live that day over now, what would you say?

My power is awesome, as I told you before.

I can take your life and make it so damned and sore.

I'll be your master and you'll be my slave.

I'll even go with you when you go to your grave.

Now that you've met me, what will you do?

Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.

I can show you more misery than words can tell.

Come take my hand, let me lead you to HELL.

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Hi everybody,

I say, to know me is to love me!

You really don't know me from this Online dating site, unless we have a long term relationship either by email or by phone. I ain't no saint, but I know that by shring my experience, strength and hope, I may help someone else. i just try to carry the message. Sorry if I broke the rules.....

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