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agreed. and addictions are not diseases, saying that only makes someone sound weak.

a disease is something you have no control over.

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how rude ..

now I know how Glenn Close felt in the movie "Fatal Attraction" ..well that movie title does kind of explains this thread

as usual a christian tries to think for everyone and tell them to ignore someonme just because that people disagree with their belief ..this is a forum where issues are discuss and debated ..isn't that how you stayed in an addiction because you didn't think you should listen to anything or anyone but your addiction ..so you're still being closed minded

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Funches, your lack of education in NA is very obvious. First off, once an addict always an addict, the differance is abstinence from the substance. And the saying in NA is nothing about "never feeling bad again", the philosophy is actualy that it gets harder without our crutch aka problem drug, which is one of the reasons peer support is so important.

Praise God for sending my PO to lock me up, my addiction would have killed me otherwise;^]

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Been clean & sober a little over 5 years here, nov. 7th 2002 marks the beggining of my clean time. I'm lucky enough that after a few months clean I was able to continue on my own. Unfortunatly most addicts or alchohalics cannot do so. People who try to beat addiction on their own usualy fail for lack of peer support and lack of tools for maintaining sobreighty, as the saying goes, insanity is doing the same thing over & over while expecting differant results. Of course, people who've never experianced severe addictions will never understand fully because they can't comprehend how our addictions made our choices for us. In the new season of the wire (on HBO), on the second episode it began with a scene of an NA meeting and the lady speaker of that scene summed it up well. She said she told herself she'd never trick, then after she was tricking she made new rules which she then implied went out the window as well. Followed up by saying setting these rules is only making a list of things you will do once your inner addict tells you to. And that's the reality of addiction and in my using days I too broke every rule I put in front of myself. God by my side I'll be sober again today, my name is Timothy and I AM an addict;^]

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Hey Holland,
You've taken the first step to recovery; admission. GOOD for you. Do you want to be well? Email me & we can talk. I practice Life Coaching. Give it some thought. I'll be there for you or anyone else.
T mie

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Working on my 25th year of being clean and sober but all I got is today. But what a beautiful day. It is so much restful to go to sleep and wake up than to pass out and come to. Got to go to a great meeting in Harrison, Arkansas called the AWOL group. We have new NA meetings springing up all over Arkansas thanks to Drug Court.

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Hi jonlaw.

Formally possessed myself. Still an addict; just not active.
Twenty plus years. First alcohol...then pot....then meth...coke....then alcohol...then back again...over and over and over again.

I have been clean for many years now. I do not count the years, because it became something that made me think about it too much. Since I quit thinking about the months and years; I had an easier time of it.

Not everyone can do what I do; but I can drink wine without wanting to do it again the next day. I partake very rarely. But, if I were to drink hard liquor, I would be in trouble.

Then I would be right back out there doing all of it all over again.

Stay healthy man. Never try and do it alone. I was very fortunate to have a firm support system in place.

I also helped counsel and held meetings in my own home for quite some time. Then worked very hard at getting a house for our meetings which grew beyond my expectations. Took meetings to prisons, halfway houses, treatment centers, and traveled all over the tri state area taking people with me. It was a blast.

Kat

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Good thread, jonlaw. I'm glad you started it.

Big ol honkin hug, feral (quick b'fore the aliens spot us again)

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im addicted to masturbation
and sex
and alcohol
and girls
and it would probably be best to name sex again

I've lived through three ODs (obviously )

I have friends and family members that are addicts, several have ODed and have passed away.

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Friend of Bill W. Anyone ever needs to talk email me.

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Shalom Jonlaw.

yahweh does things in his timing. You or we do not know that Yahweh allowed what happened to you for a greater good. It sounds you found it in your heart to help others.. it reminds me of Romans 8:28

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love Elohim, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
NKJV


May Your Work Continue To Glorify Yahweh....Blessings..Miles

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thank you very much.....I teach and help others also....which truly helps me also. And I might just take you up on the e-mail. I know the Lord will never give me more then I can handle, and that it's not up to me for my brother to break this......I told him as I was leaving that his only hope is to get on his knees and give it to God.....thats all I can do at this point...And pray pray pray and then just when I think I can't do it anymore.....pray pray pray

Thanks jon.....I feel I have met a kindred spirit.

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I am going through this right now. My brother is an alcoholic and I moved him from San Diego in October. This last Monday his landlady called the police as he was so drunk and out of control. I tried to get him to go to detox and into a 12-step.....and he said no....And as anyone who has gone through this knows.....It has to be a decision the addict makes...you cannot make it for them. Now this is Wednesday and He is in a hotel drunk. I finally went over their and told him...ok I see you have made your choice....and left.

I will not have anything to do with him...as hard as that is.....

I found my father dead on his living room rug.....so drunk he had fallen on a lamp and bled out.....and died.

My sister died at 18 in an accident, where she to was drunk. And my mom at 50.....so this is something I am not only very familiar with....but also have broken the cycle as far as my family by the grace of God.....

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the first and only step should be to stop using it

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There is the 12-step way and the cognitive therapy way. Whatever works!

the only huiman that has that power to relieve your alcoholism is yourself