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Topic: Coronavirus - part 2
SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Sun 01/10/21 05:32 AM
I think all the rules and lockdowns are proving themselves not to be useful at all.
I wished they'd look into why some countries barely have a problem at all (anymore) and/or why it has gone down significantly in other countries.

Also, I read a while back that Asians & Europeans have a higher chance to get certain things like this Covid for some genetic reason which is why it isn't all that bad among Africans. And research made clear that had nothing whatsoever to do with less testing and hospitals whatsoever. It's a genetic thingie. (I posted about that earlier).

Why isn't science looking into that, as I assume they're not since we hear nothing about that.

It seems to me that answers to these questions are crucial as there we may find the real way to sort this, also when it resurfaces in the future.
Lockdown, face masks, ripping societies apart and trashing economies is not a solution and clearly isn't having any effect either.

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Sun 01/10/21 09:00 AM
May local elections could be put on hold because of corona virus with 40million voters forced to wait until as late as autumn to cast ballots.

You can stand in a "socially-distanced" queue for the supermarket but you can't stand in line to vote? I suppose this might eventually include the next "General Election" in approximately four years time?

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Sun 01/10/21 09:12 AM

May local elections could be put on hold because of corona virus with 40million voters forced to wait until as late as autumn to cast ballots.

You can stand in a "socially-distanced" queue for the supermarket but you can't stand in line to vote? I suppose this might eventually include the next "General Election" in approximately four years time?

You already have elections??? Boris barely got in place?

We have elections in May, I do hope these won't be cancelled. We need to be rid of this idiot that's running the country now. He wants to stay in power one last term. If that happens there'll be nothing left of us by the time he disappears to a well-paid EU position...

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Sun 01/10/21 09:26 AM


May local elections could be put on hold because of corona virus with 40million voters forced to wait until as late as autumn to cast ballots.

You can stand in a "socially-distanced" queue for the supermarket but you can't stand in line to vote? I suppose this might eventually include the next "General Election" in approximately four years time?

You already have elections??? Boris barely got in place?

We have elections in May, I do hope these won't be cancelled. We need to be rid of this idiot that's running the country now. He wants to stay in power one last term. If that happens there'll be nothing left of us by the time he disappears to a well-paid EU position...

These are elections for local members of parliament and local Councils. Our General Election, where we choose a new Government, is in four years time. Still, I imagine that there's a lot at stake. Boris currently has a majority of roughly eighty over all the opposition parties but that could easily change, especially if Nigel Farage's Party puts up.a lot of candidates as he's likely to take a lot of votes from both Conservative and Labour Parties. Postponing elections sets a bad precedent, especially after all the other guaranteed freedoms that we've been denied recently. Chief of these is the right "to go about our lawful business without let or hinderence".

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Sun 01/10/21 09:58 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž on Sun 01/10/21 10:00 AM



May local elections could be put on hold because of corona virus with 40million voters forced to wait until as late as autumn to cast ballots.

You can stand in a "socially-distanced" queue for the supermarket but you can't stand in line to vote? I suppose this might eventually include the next "General Election" in approximately four years time?

You already have elections??? Boris barely got in place?

We have elections in May, I do hope these won't be cancelled. We need to be rid of this idiot that's running the country now. He wants to stay in power one last term. If that happens there'll be nothing left of us by the time he disappears to a well-paid EU position...

These are elections for local members of parliament and local Councils. Our General Election, where we choose a new Government, is in four years time. Still, I imagine that there's a lot at stake. Boris currently has a majority of roughly eighty over all the opposition parties but that could easily change, especially if Nigel Farage's Party puts up.a lot of candidates as he's likely to take a lot of votes from both Conservative and Labour Parties. Postponing elections sets a bad precedent, especially after all the other guaranteed freedoms that we've been denied recently. Chief of these is the right "to go about our lawful business without let or hinderence".

Here it will be General Elections and considering how the country is doing, how it's being ruled (= read ruined) and how the current situation is dealt with we do need different people in power.
So I keep my fingers crossed they won't get cancelled. If need be get sorted another way than going to the local voting places. Like you said, I don't see the problem since we all go to supermarkets too.

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Sun 01/10/21 10:10 AM
I think that there's very little politicians enjoy more than a crisis if it gives them a chance to take more power and abolish inconvenient rights :slight_smile:.

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Sun 01/10/21 12:26 PM

I think that there's very little politicians enjoy more than a crisis if it gives them a chance to take more power and abolish inconvenient rights :slight_smile:.

Let's hope both our countries get the elections that were scheduled and needed!

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Sun 01/10/21 02:39 PM
:thumbsup:.

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Mon 01/11/21 02:18 AM
'NHS is in most dangerous situation in living history': Chris Whitty warns 'next few weeks will be worst' yet as ministers may 'only allow people to leave home ONCE a week, ban chat in supermarkets and bring in curfews' amid fears of 2,000 deaths a DAY.

This seems a little excessive to me.

Duttoneer's photo
Mon 01/11/21 02:24 AM

Covid deaths: The emergency mortuary in a Surrey woodland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55613575

"As hospital mortuaries fill up in Surrey, England, some of the dead from the coronavirus pandemic are being brought to an emergency body storage facility."

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/11/21 04:06 AM

'NHS is in most dangerous situation in living history': Chris Whitty warns 'next few weeks will be worst' yet as ministers may 'only allow people to leave home ONCE a week, ban chat in supermarkets and bring in curfews' amid fears of 2,000 deaths a DAY.

This seems a little excessive to me.

2000? The site I'm following -and gets updated daily- states around 1000 a day. Sometimes 800+, sometimes 1100+, so on average 1000.
The highest it's ever been -according to data sent to that website- the highest it's ever been is 1325 a few days back? Nothing near 2000...

Weird they tell you it's double? That means someone is talking out their ermm... well, you know, haha.


http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/11/21 04:14 AM
PS... the death % in the UK seems to be around 2,65% which is a little below the 3% average.
Over here it's around 1,5%.
Some countries it's higher though, like Belgium. Whether they count differently, like including deaths of ppl that died of something else but did have Corona, I don't know.

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Mon 01/11/21 04:37 AM
Yes, it's odd that they should be pushing these figures that don't appear to be supported by the N.H.S. statistics. Perhaps they're trying to go for the 5,000 daily deaths that they were predicting last March that brought in the first lockdown.

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/11/21 05:49 AM
It is all weird. All it does is create fear in people.
Like saying the hospitals are overrun with patients. This professor said a few days ago there's currently 3000 people in hospital of Corona. How can we not handle that I wonder?
But hearing such things instigates fear and most people do not research beyond what the media tells them.

Oh well... all we can do I suppose is grin and bear it and hope it ends soon!

Duttoneer's photo
Mon 01/11/21 05:55 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Mon 01/11/21 06:03 AM

The number of daily deaths at Christmas was 500, now 2 weeks later 1000, I think the 2000 must be a forecast of expected daily death figures in another 2 weeks time. The protection from vaccination takes 3 weeks to take effect, so they could be right that it will reach 2000 a day, maybe higher, here in the UK.

There are still many people just not following the rules in my opinion.

blah..blah..'s photo
Mon 01/11/21 09:30 AM
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS)
Covid deaths make up roughly 24.6 % of all registered deaths, so what is killing the other 75.4 % then if it isn't Covid?

blah..blah..'s photo
Mon 01/11/21 09:33 AM

PS... the death % in the UK seems to be around 2,65% which is a little below the 3% average.
Over here it's around 1,5%.
Some countries it's higher though, like Belgium. Whether they count differently, like including deaths of ppl that died of something else but did have Corona, I don't know.


That's how it's worked out in the UK, the death figures are for people who died within 28 days of having a positive test, so not necessarily killed by Covid, but still included in the official death tolls.
I'm not usually that cynical, but surely they could manipulate any figures they want to?
For example, they could say someone died of flu if they died within 28 days of having flu even though they had fully recovered and were killed by some other illness etc.

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Tue 01/12/21 05:02 PM
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/01/coronavirus-another-new-strain-of-covid-19-with-uk-and-south-african-style-mutations-found.html

Another new variant found in japan/Brazil .

β€œLike the South African variant . The new mutation has the ability to disguise itself to the immune system’s antibodies .

The more covid spreads the increased chance it will develop new changes β€œ.

It is good we have the technology to monitor and find such changes .

I still believe covid is in its infancy and has not yet shown us its true capabilities .

Until the vaccines take effect and herd immunity Is achieved ,social distancing (including lockdown )and hand hygiene are our biggest weapon to limit the spread of covid and reduce its potential to mutate . I do understand how frustrating that is and the motivation to rebel . That rebellion just enables covid to become more resistant and to develop into something that causes more harm . To me it is simple .., either we all do our part or we provide covid with what it needs to become successful . To those who believe it is all a load of nonsense . I invite you to volunteer in your local hospital ... it is amazing what a dose of reality can achieve :thumbsup:

Duttoneer's photo
Wed 01/13/21 02:53 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Wed 01/13/21 02:56 AM

In my opinion, now that we have the Oxford vaccine in the UK at a reported Β£3.00 per dose, we should vaccinate everyone coming in to the country free of charge, after all our most vulnerable and front line workers have been offered a vaccination. No Jab. No entry in to the country. We don't need another strain of this dreadful disease being brought in, prevention is better than cure.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 01/13/21 08:11 AM
I invite you to volunteer in your local hospital ... it is amazing what a dose of reality can achieve

I live a couple blocks from my local hospital.
When I drive past it during the day the parking lot is packed.
When I drive past at night, the parking lot is barren.
Its been like that for the last 7 years.

I think if the pandemic is hospitalizing large numbers of people, the overnight parking lot would be full. I've seen no significant changes. Its not a scientific observation just a personal one. I have an aversion to hospitals.
I only enter one when I absolutely must.

I've noticed a redoubling of efforts recently. The stores which didn't require or stopped requiring masks now have mandatory mask signs displayed. They're back to limiting capacity, spraying karts and enforcing separation.

I've still yet to meet anyone who has had personal experience with covid itself. I'm not seeking but I am asking when I see them.
In all fairness, my county is the lowest in the region of reported infections but my family lives across the central and eastern US and they haven't told me of anyone either.

As of this time, it seems the pandemic response is much more intense than the pandemic cause. From a prevention point of view, I guess that's a good thing.
However, the response is causing disruption of life for many people.

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