Topic: Coronavirus
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Mon 11/02/20 07:04 AM
Edited by Seamus on Mon 11/02/20 07:30 AM
Yes it must be an unenviable task to have to decide the balance between individual freedom and protecting the lives of over 65 million people in the UK but governments are constantly faced with doing just this, especially during a pandemic. I think that you should prioritize saving as many lives as possible but this is where my confusion begins.
The Covid restrictions mean that the NHS cannot run normal clinics and routine treatments. According to government projections, this lack of routine treatment and surgery means that at least twice as many people will die from this as will die from covid-19. As an example of this that I know about, my oldest brother who is sixty five has two worn out knee joints that need replacing and a bowel hernia that needs surgery. He tells me that the pain wakes him screaming at night but has been told that he can't have pain meds because of the risk of addiction due to the eighteen month to two years backlog of patients. He also tells me that he doesn't think that he can stand that much pain for that long.

We would undoubtedly have a much better capacity to cope with the current crisis if successive governments over the last thirty years hadn't reduced the number of Hospitals, despite our growing population. In the town where I grew up there used to be two large Hospitals and several Hospices for the terminally ill. There's now one Hospital and no Hospices. This is something which happened across the entire country.
We would also be in a better position to cope if many of the most senior consultants and surgeons hadn't been exposed during the first Covid crisis earlier this year. Several of the people that my younger brother worked with were exposed and subsequently died from Covid.

During the last lockdown all 'non-essential' businesses were closed for approximately six months. About a third of local businesses never reopened, while Amazon increased its profits by a third, this bringing us ever closer to a few monopolies controlling the majority of business, something that is in no one's interest except for these monopolies (which mostly cleverly avoid paying taxes). Monopolies inevitably lead to increased prices and poorer service because they have no competition and the legislation intended to control these situations has been largely rendered toothless.

Unemployment due to the loss of businesses directly related to lockdown restrictions is expected to triple or quadruple, leading inevitably to increased poverty and other related problems. Many of these people will have families and mortgages but these mortgages will not be paid due to the legislation that says rent can be paid but mortgages cannot. The results seem inevitable.
Universal Credit, which has been slowly introduced by this and previous governments pays £73 per person per week (except if you're part of a couple when it pays less). Earlier this year, the processing backlog for these benefits was running at between five and six months before you received your first payment. That was before the pandemic, so how long those newly unemployed because the government ordered their businesses to close, will have to wait for payment is anyone's guess.

The toll on mental health during the last lockdown, where people were only allowed to leave their homes for "essential" purposes or to exercise for one hour a day, is said to be enormous but since mental health treatment is run by the NHS, it will not be available for the foreseeable future.

I can't help wondering how many additional deaths will be a direct result of these two things (unemployment and poor mental health).

As it stands, if I were of school age then I could and must attend school despite evidence showing that the recent spike in Covid infections is directly related to this.

If I worked, I could and should attend work (unless of course the business that I worked for had been shut by government order).

If I wasn't being responsible and self-isolating due to being infected with Covid, I could wander around a supermarket with hundreds of other people (wearing a mask).

The only thing that I can't do and would be fined for, is visiting my family.

What do I think would be a more measured and reasonable approach to the current pandemic?

How about, if all those who were elderly and vulnerable were supported and encouraged to self isolate and the rest of us were allowed to go about our business subject to whatever precautions were deemed necessary, such as masks, hygiene etc?

Of course, all of these poor decisions could be due to simple incompetence but this begs the question. Should such incompetent people be allowed to govern so many millions of people or escape punishment for such remarkable failures?


Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 11/02/20 08:24 AM
“You” is not referring to you personally Tom :-)

I know that, its just how people talk, no worries
waving

Covid-19 has been scientifically sequenced ., it exists and meets the criteria for a global pandemic .

Covid-19 has been scientifically sequenced ., it exists and meets the criteria for a potential global pandemic. It could be worse and perhaps the reason why it is not is because of the media over-sensationalizing it?

I remember years back when HIV/AIDS first hit the media. I was married but still worried about getting it from the dentist, hospitals and such. Then there was bird flu and swine flu, all which are potential pandemics.

I remember reading when COVID first hit the scene about an apartment building in China where the building staircase was reinfecting people by surface contact. I remember thinking "Well, this is new." The surface contamination was the pandemic threat I was thinking about.

Any viral infection has the potential to go pandemic because humans have a world-wide movement. We travel a lot. Viral outbreaks no longer just kill a village and die out, we carry it around to other parts of the world.

In my life, for the last 10 years or so I have had all the symptoms of COVID.
I have sinus problems and I cough a lot from the drainage. I run fevers because I was infected by toxins in my job. I have infection flares sometimes. But...I am not infectious.

People encounter me now and if I cough a lil to clear my throat, they immediately believe I have COVID. Media induced fear response. Its the same media induced fear response which caused my neighbor to pack up and flee from a hurricane which never hit us.

I stream everything thru my computer. I watch what I choose to watch. I don't have an antenna, satellite or cable service. I no longer even listen to radio. I don't watch the NEWS. I read NEWS online and most of the time just the headlines. When a headline captures my interest I read multiple sources from different parts of the country/world. I've been socially isolated since my disability took me out of the public. I 'live' in the "right here / right now". I don't live remotely thru the media.

Granted, I do maintain reasonable preparedness. I do follow public expectations by wearing a mask, washing my hands frequently and maintaining social distance but I am not too concerned about it. I do this because when I do go out in public I am expected to follow society's rules.

I also know if I contract COVID I am likely to die due to my health. But, I'm not afraid to die. Been there / done that, its gunna happen again no matter how much I worry about it so, why worry?

I don't know anyone infected with COVID in my life. Of the people, in my life, they know nobody infected with COVID. Oh, I've read about people experiencing it but those people are not in my life.
There may be a real pandemic happening but not in my experience.
When my neighbors start putting white sheets on their houses to alert medical teams and body collection squads then I will have a pandemic to worry about.

GLOBAL QUICK FACTS
CONFIRMED
46,509,183
RECOVERED
31,078,720
DEATHS
1,200,358
ACTIVE
14,230,105
COUNTRIES
190

46 million out of nearly 8 billion confirmed cases. 1 million out of 8 billion deaths. You do the math.
A pandemic worth worrying about would have the 'recovered' and 'deaths' numbers reversed. If, of the 46.5 million infected results in 31 million dead but only 1 million recovered that would be significant.
If, of the 8 billion people alive right now, 6 billion were infected, that would be significant.

This pandemic is real but the resultant hysteria about it is media induced panic. To me, its kinda comical how humans and their incessant need to 'be informed' drives societies to such extremes.

Ya know, if I wanted to hide something from people I would do something that would make them focus on something else. I'm just sayin...

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Mon 11/02/20 05:47 PM

Yes it must be an unenviable task to have to decide the balance between individual freedom and protecting the lives of over 65 million people in the UK but governments are constantly faced with doing just this, especially during a pandemic. I think that you should prioritize saving as many lives as possible but this is where my confusion begins.
The Covid restrictions mean that the NHS cannot run normal clinics and routine treatments. According to government projections, this lack of routine treatment and surgery means that at least twice as many people will die from this as will die from covid-19. As an example of this that I know about, my oldest brother who is sixty five has two worn out knee joints that need replacing and a bowel hernia that needs surgery. He tells me that the pain wakes him screaming at night but has been told that he can't have pain meds because of the risk of addiction due to the eighteen month to two years backlog of patients. He also tells me that he doesn't think that he can stand that much pain for that long.

We would undoubtedly have a much better capacity to cope with the current crisis if successive governments over the last thirty years hadn't reduced the number of Hospitals, despite our growing population. In the town where I grew up there used to be two large Hospitals and several Hospices for the terminally ill. There's now one Hospital and no Hospices. This is something which happened across the entire country.
We would also be in a better position to cope if many of the most senior consultants and surgeons hadn't been exposed during the first Covid crisis earlier this year. Several of the people that my younger brother worked with were exposed and subsequently died from Covid.

During the last lockdown all 'non-essential' businesses were closed for approximately six months. About a third of local businesses never reopened, while Amazon increased its profits by a third, this bringing us ever closer to a few monopolies controlling the majority of business, something that is in no one's interest except for these monopolies (which mostly cleverly avoid paying taxes). Monopolies inevitably lead to increased prices and poorer service because they have no competition and the legislation intended to control these situations has been largely rendered toothless.

Unemployment due to the loss of businesses directly related to lockdown restrictions is expected to triple or quadruple, leading inevitably to increased poverty and other related problems. Many of these people will have families and mortgages but these mortgages will not be paid due to the legislation that says rent can be paid but mortgages cannot. The results seem inevitable.
Universal Credit, which has been slowly introduced by this and previous governments pays £73 per person per week (except if you're part of a couple when it pays less). Earlier this year, the processing backlog for these benefits was running at between five and six months before you received your first payment. That was before the pandemic, so how long those newly unemployed because the government ordered their businesses to close, will have to wait for payment is anyone's guess.

The toll on mental health during the last lockdown, where people were only allowed to leave their homes for "essential" purposes or to exercise for one hour a day, is said to be enormous but since mental health treatment is run by the NHS, it will not be available for the foreseeable future.

I can't help wondering how many additional deaths will be a direct result of these two things (unemployment and poor mental health).

As it stands, if I were of school age then I could and must attend school despite evidence showing that the recent spike in Covid infections is directly related to this.

If I worked, I could and should attend work (unless of course the business that I worked for had been shut by government order).

If I wasn't being responsible and self-isolating due to being infected with Covid, I could wander around a supermarket with hundreds of other people (wearing a mask).

The only thing that I can't do and would be fined for, is visiting my family.

What do I think would be a more measured and reasonable approach to the current pandemic?

How about, if all those who were elderly and vulnerable were supported and encouraged to self isolate and the rest of us were allowed to go about our business subject to whatever precautions were deemed necessary, such as masks, hygiene etc?

Of course, all of these poor decisions could be due to simple incompetence but this begs the question. Should such incompetent people be allowed to govern so many millions of people or escape punishment for such remarkable failures?


you raise many good points Seamus . The impact of covid is widespread and yes many are struggling . The problem is we still don’t have a cure and there are a lot of unanswered questions especially regarding immunity , reinfection and longterm effects .. Perhaps what happens this winter will provide more answers .

Healthy individuals (including children and young adults ) with no apparent comorbidites have required hospitalisation or sadly died from covid . Countries aware of the risk to elderly (and with the necessary resources) have put in place supports and protocols to minimise that risk .. especially were rest homes are concerned .. yet figures of infections and hospitalisations continue to rise .

Unfortunately health has been underfunded and under-resourced for years . I have read several global reports on hospital capacity and it is daunting reading . Without a doubt our ability to provide hospital care is guiding our pandemic response . When you compare the world population with the number of infected /recovered .. it is clear this pandemic is still in its early stage . It is that “potential” that is creating fear .

It is not just a lack of hospital capacity but also qualified healthworkers that is a concern . As you mentioned the closure of hospitals and services is becoming more commonplace despite growing populations . Understaffing has always been problematic . Add to that covid burnout and staff illness/quarantines and the situation quickly becomes very grim .

Regarding the economy, unemployment, and impact on mental health I really do empathise with all those affected . Basic needs are being threatened and the stress that creates is tremendous . Health is not just physical but social , mental /emotional and spiritual . The impact of covid affects all dimensions of health and daily life .

A recession is exoected ( for some countries already a reality ) . How we progress will largely be determined by the value we place on health versus the risks we are prepared to take as a society . It is a complex situation .

I agree government /leadership have accountablity for handling of the pandemic . Performance should be questioned and reviewed . In some cases this is already under way .

Sorry to hear about your brother (and those you have lost to covid :heart: ) non treatment of pain is unethical . . I would suggest he seek a second opinion or change health providers .

Thanks for taking the time to provide such a detailed and personal perspective Seamus .. understanding and awareness will hopefully shine the light on solutions .

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Mon 11/02/20 07:36 PM

“You” is not referring to you personally Tom :-)

I know that, its just how people talk, no worries
waving

Covid-19 has been scientifically sequenced ., it exists and meets the criteria for a global pandemic .

Covid-19 has been scientifically sequenced ., it exists and meets the criteria for a potential global pandemic. It could be worse and perhaps the reason why it is not is because of the media over-sensationalizing it?

I remember years back when HIV/AIDS first hit the media. I was married but still worried about getting it from the dentist, hospitals and such. Then there was bird flu and swine flu, all which are potential pandemics.

I remember reading when COVID first hit the scene about an apartment building in China where the building staircase was reinfecting people by surface contact. I remember thinking "Well, this is new." The surface contamination was the pandemic threat I was thinking about.

Any viral infection has the potential to go pandemic because humans have a world-wide movement. We travel a lot. Viral outbreaks no longer just kill a village and die out, we carry it around to other parts of the world.

In my life, for the last 10 years or so I have had all the symptoms of COVID.
I have sinus problems and I cough a lot from the drainage. I run fevers because I was infected by toxins in my job. I have infection flares sometimes. But...I am not infectious.

People encounter me now and if I cough a lil to clear my throat, they immediately believe I have COVID. Media induced fear response. Its the same media induced fear response which caused my neighbor to pack up and flee from a hurricane which never hit us.

I stream everything thru my computer. I watch what I choose to watch. I don't have an antenna, satellite or cable service. I no longer even listen to radio. I don't watch the NEWS. I read NEWS online and most of the time just the headlines. When a headline captures my interest I read multiple sources from different parts of the country/world. I've been socially isolated since my disability took me out of the public. I 'live' in the "right here / right now". I don't live remotely thru the media.

Granted, I do maintain reasonable preparedness. I do follow public expectations by wearing a mask, washing my hands frequently and maintaining social distance but I am not too concerned about it. I do this because when I do go out in public I am expected to follow society's rules.

I also know if I contract COVID I am likely to die due to my health. But, I'm not afraid to die. Been there / done that, its gunna happen again no matter how much I worry about it so, why worry?

I don't know anyone infected with COVID in my life. Of the people, in my life, they know nobody infected with COVID. Oh, I've read about people experiencing it but those people are not in my life.
There may be a real pandemic happening but not in my experience.
When my neighbors start putting white sheets on their houses to alert medical teams and body collection squads then I will have a pandemic to worry about.

GLOBAL QUICK FACTS
CONFIRMED
46,509,183
RECOVERED
31,078,720
DEATHS
1,200,358
ACTIVE
14,230,105
COUNTRIES
190

46 million out of nearly 8 billion confirmed cases. 1 million out of 8 billion deaths. You do the math.
A pandemic worth worrying about would have the 'recovered' and 'deaths' numbers reversed. If, of the 46.5 million infected results in 31 million dead but only 1 million recovered that would be significant.
If, of the 8 billion people alive right now, 6 billion were infected, that would be significant.

This pandemic is real but the resultant hysteria about it is media induced panic. To me, its kinda comical how humans and their incessant need to 'be informed' drives societies to such extremes.

Ya know, if I wanted to hide something from people I would do something that would make them focus on something else. I'm just sayin...
I don’t put a lot of emphasis on statistics Tom . It is widely acknowledged that the numbers are likely much lower than reality . When covid first hit ., documenting was not a priority . Many deaths and infections went unaccounted . Even now . I would question the accuracy of figures for some countries .

I think fearIng the unknown is a natural protective response . How people cope with that fear is individual . I too remember when AIDS/HIV appeared .... fear and stigmatisation was largely due to a lack of knowledge and understanding . I don’t remember much how the media portrayed that or the level of attention that was given to it . Admittedly I was young and bullet proof back then lol .. Of course Transmission of HIV is very different To Covid .

The only hysteria I have encountered was at the supermarket when people were stock piling despite being told stocks and supplies were not threatened . I have noticed lately it seems to be taking supermarkets longer to restock and some brands have completely disappeared . Medicine supplies were certainly affected in my country and for some medications that is still the case . Pharmacies were only able to dispense a maximum of one month at a time . Some important drugs are still low in stock or unavailable . If there is global second wave of covid what will that mean for supply industries already struggling .

To be honest if a stranger was coughing close to me . I would likely distance myself if that was an option . I don’t see that as panic , hysteria or paranoia .. just commonsense :wink:

Always enjoy your input Tom ., keep up the good work waving

Duttoneer's photo
Tue 11/03/20 12:12 AM

Covid-19: Liverpool to pilot city-wide coronavirus testing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54786130

"People in Liverpool will be offered regular Covid-19 tests under the first trial of whole city testing in England."

"Liverpool has one of the highest rates of coronavirus deaths in England."

"China has shown it is possible to test entire cities of millions of people. However, there are questions with both the tests used and the strategy as a whole"

"Will people isolate when they have no symptoms at all or will they even come forward for testing if it might mean missing work and pay? The UK's first attempt at city-wide testing will help find the answers."

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Tue 11/03/20 02:41 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Tue 11/03/20 02:50 AM
Sounds like the UK had a stricter lockdown than we did.
We didn't have a rule like only 1 hour a day for exercise / going outdoors.

And I agree it's ridiculously to put surgeries and non-pandemic related things on hold. That is happening here too. People who desperately need heart surgery... They're not getting it.

They closed down hospitals here too over the years. It's a miracle we still have a small one here on the island. Not for full scale surgeries anymore though. But you can still see a specialist locally (on this island), have blood taken, X-rays done etc which esp for the elderly is great.
They'd wanted to close it a number of times but it's still there.

In certain cities the old and perfectly okay hospitals had to merge. That would be cheaper. Right. So they build a bloody expensive huge monstrosity of a new building. All to save money. We usually call these large impersonal hospitals 'factories'.

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Tue 11/03/20 02:46 AM

Sounds like the UK had a stricter lockdown than we did.
We didn't have a rule like only 1 hour a day for exercise / going outdoors.

Now I completely forgot what I was going to post, hihi.


It’s not the UK as a whole Crystal as Scotland has different restrictions to England. It changes daily and I can’t keep up!

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Tue 11/03/20 05:11 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Tue 11/03/20 05:11 AM


Sounds like the UK had a stricter lockdown than we did.
We didn't have a rule like only 1 hour a day for exercise / going outdoors.

Now I completely forgot what I was going to post, hihi.


It’s not the UK as a whole Crystal as Scotland has different restrictions to England. It changes daily and I can’t keep up!

Oh yes, you said something like that before. A good thing for sure, especially since Scotland was doing better, right?

But keeping up with it all is a thing. I'm not busy with it a lot and as soon as the news comes on the radio (2x an hour) I completely turn down the volume.
So occasionally I go to the special government site to get updated on the rules.

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Tue 11/03/20 12:00 PM



Sounds like the UK had a stricter lockdown than we did.
We didn't have a rule like only 1 hour a day for exercise / going outdoors.

Now I completely forgot what I was going to post, hihi.


It’s not the UK as a whole Crystal as Scotland has different restrictions to England. It changes daily and I can’t keep up!

Oh yes, you said something like that before. A good thing for sure, especially since Scotland was doing better, right?

But keeping up with it all is a thing. I'm not busy with it a lot and as soon as the news comes on the radio (2x an hour) I completely turn down the volume.
So occasionally I go to the special government site to get updated on the rules.

Wales, Scotland and Ulster have their own Parliaments and broad legislative powers within their region, so they do have different rules. In England, the rules were quite strict but did relax a bit towards the end of the first lockdown when the numbers of infections and deaths began to fall significantly.The lockdown was supposed to last six weeks but lasted six months instead.
I think that with this new lockdown, the rules will be relaxed for a week around Christmas before being imposed again until sometime in March. The last person to ban Christmas was the Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell in 1640 because, as an extreme Puritan Protestant, he considered it a frivolous, gaudy and gluttenous offence against Christianity.
No sane politician would risk that kind of comparison, it's worse than being caracatured as Ebeneezer Scrooge from Dickens.
:laughing:

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Tue 11/03/20 01:29 PM
Laboratory trial result ...mouthwash /covid ....


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939522


http://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-mouthwash-help-stop-covid-19

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Tue 11/03/20 03:19 PM
Edited by Blondey111 on Tue 11/03/20 03:20 PM
Covid world update ...

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/11/coronavirus-latest-from-around-the-world-wednesday-november-4.html

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Wed 11/04/20 01:46 AM
http://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-scientists-discover-key-pathway-lysosomes-coronaviruses-use-exit-cells

New research discovers cellular pathway corona viruses exist cells . Opens up a potential new avenue for therapeutic treatment.

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Wed 11/04/20 01:50 AM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/03/household-transmission-of-coronavirus/

American study reports transmission of covid within a household may be faster than expected .

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Wed 11/04/20 01:52 AM
Edited by Blondey111 on Wed 11/04/20 02:15 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/world/who-china-coronavirus.html

Found this summary interesting to read .. details attempts and failures to trace origin of covid .. investigation still ongoing

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Wed 11/04/20 12:06 PM
Thanx, I appreciate yours as well :thumbsup:

I don’t put a lot of emphasis on statistics Tom . It is widely acknowledged that the numbers are likely much lower than reality . When covid first hit ., documenting was not a priority . Many deaths and infections went unaccounted . Even now . I would question the accuracy of figures for some countries .

I think fearIng the unknown is a natural protective response . How people cope with that fear is individual . I too remember when AIDS/HIV appeared .... fear and stigmatisation was largely due to a lack of knowledge and understanding . I don’t remember much how the media portrayed that or the level of attention that was given to it . Admittedly I was young and bullet proof back then lol .. Of course Transmission of HIV is very different To Covid .

The only hysteria I have encountered was at the supermarket when people were stock piling despite being told stocks and supplies were not threatened . I have noticed lately it seems to be taking supermarkets longer to restock and some brands have completely disappeared . Medicine supplies were certainly affected in my country and for some medications that is still the case . Pharmacies were only able to dispense a maximum of one month at a time . Some important drugs are still low in stock or unavailable . If there is global second wave of covid what will that mean for supply industries already struggling .

To be honest if a stranger was coughing close to me . I would likely distance myself if that was an option . I don’t see that as panic , hysteria or paranoia .. just commonsense :wink:

Statistics precision is not important to me but the ratios make sense. The only statistics which are important to me are the ones I gather from my own life experiences. Mainly because I live 'right here / right now' and not vicariously thru media.
When I go out in public, one thing I've noticed is masks do not hide the eyes. Many people have fear or anger in their eyes. They may have always had this but the mask focuses it now.

Its common sense to move away / distance yourself from someone coughing in public. Especially in cold & flu season. The difference now (with covid) is the reaction to a cough. That reaction now is more severe than before and often illicits a fear or anger response.

I haven't been socially active since I was no longer able to work (just over 10 years now). I haven't been ... exposed to mainstream media for the last 15 or 20 years. I got rid of twitter, facebook, skype and other social networking sites. In doing so, my life has become simpler and less stressful.
I don't concern myself with things which do not directly affect me. I'm doing better than I have ever done in my life. I'm content.

See, there could be an Ebola pandemic right now and I wouldn't be concerned unless it came into my life. I have yet to encounter COVID so why worry about it? Worrying does nothing except increase stress. I don't need that in my life.
Granted, if it comes a knocking I'll take steps but till it does, I have no reason to be concerned.

Like I said, when I go out in public I follow public rules. I go days, sometimes a week without going anywhere. I'm just no longer interested in participating in social insanity.

I do understand most people must go out to work. They need a social life and external entertainment and these restrictions are very hard on them. Some fear and anger is a justified response when you consider the social mentality.

However, being away from that social anxiety, an external observer over 10 years, I see trends which most people don't, at least till I point them out.

For instance, peoples constant need to look at their phones.
Just after the hurricane hit, trees down all over the place, I was sitting on the porch at 1 am and one guy, his face in his phone, was driving too fast and I said, look, he's gunna plow right into that down tree. Sure enough, plowed right into it. Others saw the tree and drove up on the sidewalk but not this guy. Then he got out and started yelling at the tree and punched his fender. LOL I was cracking up.
Common sense would tell ya to put the phone down but insanity rules now.
That insanity transfers to public reaction to the pandemic.

I sometimes wonder what it would be like if the media just put out PSAs instead of crisis alerts? Would more people be infected? Can't really say because that isn't what happened. The media got everybody all worked up and their own fears did the rest.

Granted, the statistics might not be accurate but the ratios indicate a lot more people have not been infected and those infected are mostly recovering.
The COVID death toll by species is insignificant and a long way from being so. Even the death rate is lower than most things which kill people.

As far as supplies go. If I have a case of beer and someone comes to visit and I offer them a beer I might tell them I only had a six pack so I have more beer for myself. If I were getting grants of beer and they only sent me more beer when I was running low, I might claim a shortage so more beer is funded to me. Just an example, I do share my beer freely.
But, if a hospital claims a bed shortage or meds shortage they get funded with more beds and more meds. Especially during a 'pandemic'.

Duttoneer's photo
Thu 11/05/20 03:50 AM

LOCKDOWN

"Once more, men are suffering the most compared to women. No more lads, no more restaurant, no more pub, no more football...

#

"While women can still live their normal lives: cleaning, ironing, cooking, washing dishes and clothes, tidying..."

(only kidding laugh )

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Fri 11/06/20 11:29 PM
Here's a thought, WHY DON'T ALL THE ELDERLY THAT HAVE COVID GET THE SAME DRUGS THAT IDIOT TRUMP GOT?

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Sun 11/08/20 02:41 PM
BOMBSHELL REPORT: 90% OF POSITIVE COVID-19 TESTS SHOULD BE NEGATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wcQAEygYlnPR/

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Mon 11/09/20 10:46 AM

BOMBSHELL REPORT: 90% OF POSITIVE COVID-19 TESTS SHOULD BE NEGATIVE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wcQAEygYlnPR/

What else is new... I'm not following much of this pandemic but I knew this anyhow. Intuition I guess.

It's also nuts that people run around with their stupid face masks like scared sheep.
What for?
I do believe there'll be a virus and I do believe it can be very unpleasant if you contract pneumonia as well. Damage to the lungs.
Cos I know from my osteo who's heard from reliable people that even young fit people, incl athletes, still haven't recovered fully after half a year.

But all the to-do, the numbers, the fear, I don't buy into all that.

And I also believe in the strength and resilience of our bodies to bounce back and recover.
And I believe in my own body and my work and ability to keep my immune system strong.

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Tue 11/10/20 02:50 AM

"Denmark to cull up to 17 million mink amid coronavirus fears"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54818615

"Part of the country has been put under lockdown after Danish authorities found genetic changes they say might undermine the effectiveness of future Covid-19 vaccines.

"More than 200 people have been infected with mink-related coronavirus.

"And the UK has imposed an immediate ban on all visitors from Denmark amid concerns about the new strain.

"The WHO has called on all countries to step up surveillance and tighten biosecurity measures around mink farms."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54842643