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Things are slowly turning to more normal here. No more distancing in the supermarket is one. Schools will reopen after summer holidays as normal, and the same for a few other things.
The only ones that still have to stick to restriction is restaurants and pubs, which doesn't really make much sense. You can stand on top of each other, mostly strangers, in the supermarket, but in a restaurant it's suddenly a problem. Oh well... |
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I don't get all this vaccine fuss. So far we've had 9.5 mill cases of which 5.1 million have recovered. Without a vaccine. 3.8 mill are still experiencing mild symptoms. 483.000 have died so far worldwide. Spanish flu had 30-40 MILLION killed worldwide, most of which withing ONE month! (October). Now THAT would've been something to worry about! So... why the bleep fuss about a vaccine? The best protection is our own immune system. I don't want a vaccine. Certainly not one that's been cooked up in a lab in a few months time, not properly tested, and that for a disease we know bleep all about! Total insanity to use that on people. Unless there's a 2nd wave to come, then maybe. A small maybe. In the meantime they should fine-tune whatever vaccine they cooked up and test it properly, and not on humans yet. This idiocy and fear has people lose sight of normal regulation for new meds that are to be used on people. There's a reason we don't just use newly cooked up stuff without thoroughly testing them. And even then things can go wrong. A vaccine for any disease must be a good thing, the world has nearly eradicated Polio, and many other diseases are kept under control because of vaccines, Measles for example which is more contagious than Coronavirus. How important is a vaccine for Coronavirus, well I believe it will enable us all to return to some normality, but more importantly, save millions of lives around the world. Had the UK not implemented a lockdown, scientific forecasts of as many as 200,000 lives would have been lost, and this Pandemic is by no means at an end. WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Monday the last one million cases were reported in just eight days. So you'd feel okay by getting injected with some substance that hasn't been properly tested, no one knows what it will do or if it will cause and what the side-effects are? I'm not. If memory serves when there was swine flu more people died of the vaccine than the flu itself. I can understand that certain groups are willing to take that risk, but I think it's premature to start mass vaccination. Measles and polio are entirely different, the side-effects of these can be severe. And you can say that it wasn't as bad as could be due to lockdown. No one knows this for sure. It's guessing, coming up with something and keeping your fingers crossed it will score effect. It does not explain why some towns had a huge amount of cases whereas cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague were and still are doing quite well. How can you explain that? If it had to do with masses of people on top of each other these cities would've been hell. They weren't and still aren't. You were better off in The Hague than in one of these towns in a rural province. We know nothing much of this virus, not really how it spreads either, nor do we know anything about this so called vaccine that has not been thoroughly tested. That is supposed to take years, not a few months. And again, we are nearing 10 million CASES, not 10 million deaths. It is going down naturally in many countries. There are only some 2 countries left where it's going up still: India and Brazil. And then in this day and age where more and more people are refusing the normal vaccinations we are going to be forced to take this chit? I'd think about it. The vaccine for HPV (cervix cancer) came on the market some 13 yrs ago for girls age 13. Many didn't want it, others did get it. Many of those who did got serious illnesses and I think a few died because of that vaccine! I'm SO happy my girl and I decided she'd not get it at the time. A vaccine might sound like heaven when you're scared, but it can have serious complications. And personally I don't give a rip about what a WHO dude says. They all have an agenda. |
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Edited by
Duttoneer
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Fri 06/26/20 11:21 AM
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I don't get all this vaccine fuss. So far we've had 9.5 mill cases of which 5.1 million have recovered. Without a vaccine. 3.8 mill are still experiencing mild symptoms. 483.000 have died so far worldwide. Spanish flu had 30-40 MILLION killed worldwide, most of which withing ONE month! (October). Now THAT would've been something to worry about! So... why the bleep fuss about a vaccine? The best protection is our own immune system. I don't want a vaccine. Certainly not one that's been cooked up in a lab in a few months time, not properly tested, and that for a disease we know bleep all about! Total insanity to use that on people. Unless there's a 2nd wave to come, then maybe. A small maybe. In the meantime they should fine-tune whatever vaccine they cooked up and test it properly, and not on humans yet. This idiocy and fear has people lose sight of normal regulation for new meds that are to be used on people. There's a reason we don't just use newly cooked up stuff without thoroughly testing them. And even then things can go wrong. A vaccine for any disease must be a good thing, the world has nearly eradicated Polio, and many other diseases are kept under control because of vaccines, Measles for example which is more contagious than Coronavirus. How important is a vaccine for Coronavirus, well I believe it will enable us all to return to some normality, but more importantly, save millions of lives around the world. Had the UK not implemented a lockdown, scientific forecasts of as many as 200,000 lives would have been lost, and this Pandemic is by no means at an end. WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Monday the last one million cases were reported in just eight days. So you'd feel okay by getting injected with some substance that hasn't been properly tested, no one knows what it will do or if it will cause and what the side-effects are? I'm not. If memory serves when there was swine flu more people died of the vaccine than the flu itself. I can understand that certain groups are willing to take that risk, but I think it's premature to start mass vaccination. Measles and polio are entirely different, the side-effects of these can be severe. And you can say that it wasn't as bad as could be due to lockdown. No one knows this for sure. It's guessing, coming up with something and keeping your fingers crossed it will score effect. It does not explain why some towns had a huge amount of cases whereas cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague were and still are doing quite well. How can you explain that? If it had to do with masses of people on top of each other these cities would've been hell. They weren't and still aren't. You were better off in The Hague than in one of these towns in a rural province. We know nothing much of this virus, not really how it spreads either, nor do we know anything about this so called vaccine that has not been thoroughly tested. That is supposed to take years, not a few months. And again, we are nearing 10 million CASES, not 10 million deaths. It is going down naturally in many countries. There are only some 2 countries left where it's going up still: India and Brazil. And then in this day and age where more and more people are refusing the normal vaccinations we are going to be forced to take this chit? I'd think about it. The vaccine for HPV (cervix cancer) came on the market some 13 yrs ago for girls age 13. Many didn't want it, others did get it. Many of those who did got serious illnesses and I think a few died because of that vaccine! I'm SO happy my girl and I decided she'd not get it at the time. A vaccine might sound like heaven when you're scared, but it can have serious complications. And personally I don't give a rip about what a WHO dude says. They all have an agenda. Vaccines have to be tested in Clinical trials to see if they work, and to see if they are safe, before they are offered to the general public. No one in the UK is forced to be vaccinated against any disease. I have had a Flu Jab every year for the past 20+ years, and when they find and are able to offer me a Coronavirus Jab I will have it. I am more than happy to receive some protection against catching the disease. Flu and Coronavirus are both serious and can be deadly diseases for anybody, particularly older people and those with weak immune health systems. |
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Vaccines have to be tested in Clinical trials to see if they work, and to see if they are safe, before they are offered to the general public. No one in the UK is forced to be vaccinated against any disease. I have had a Flu Jab every year for the past 20+ years, and when they find and are able to offer me a Coronavirus Jab I will have it. I am more than happy to receive some protection against catching the disease. Flu and Coronavirus are both serious and can be deadly diseases for anybody, particularly older people and those with weak immune health systems. Yes and that tested is what I was talking about. It takes years not months. Maybe this interests you, on the swine flu vaccine in 2009, that virus also being new, not the same type of 'normal' swine flue; On 11 June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared that the swine flu had developed into a full scale world epidemic - a pandemic alert to Phase 6. ... Two pharmaceutical companies had, under considerable time pressure, developed a vaccine against the swine flu. .... On 25 September 2009 -so only 3 months later JUST like now-, the European Medicines Agency (EMEA) approved Pandemrix, the swine flu vaccine produced by GSK and Focetria produced by Novartis. ..... Then the blow came: "The worst nightmare of both the industry and the health authorities is an illness that turns out to be mild, while the vaccine that was supposed to prevent a dangerous epidemic causes a severe side effect that was previously unknown." Narcolepsy is a severe chronic neurologic disease that not only results in a disabling fatigue, which typically results in the patient falling asleep anywhere and at any time. It might also lead to panic attacks and a state of exhaustion. For many, the worst consequences are the symptoms of cataplexy. This condition causes the narcolepsy patient, when expressing strong feelings such as laughter or crying, to suddenly lose muscular control. The legs give way, speech gets slurred, the gaze goes unfocused and the person gives the impression of being drunk. In some patients, frightening hallucinations appear when falling asleep or waking up. ... No European countries had a particularly high rate of deaths due to the swine flue. Somewhere in 2010 the pandemic had gone and the WHO concluded it hadn't been all that bad. They'd cried wolf. And that vaccine had been tested AND approved of. Tested for maybe a few weeks because if it takes 3 months to find & create you're not tested for the whole 3 months. So maybe you're in a risk group, fair enough and understandable you're scared. But look at the facts and numbers. People aren't piling up in the streets. Almost everyone recovers and almost everyone who did get it had a VERY mild case, often not even knowing about it. But if people want to risk things like quoted above... like suddenly losing all muscle control, falling asleep wherever... Meaning you cannot drive a car, cycle, live alone, walk outdoors, anymore. You'd have to move into a home where you can be watched and looked after 24/7. All because of a tested & approved vaccine... |
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Edited by
Duttoneer
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Sun 06/28/20 02:50 AM
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Vaccines have to be tested in Clinical trials to see if they work, and to see if they are safe, before they are offered to the general public. No one in the UK is forced to be vaccinated against any disease. I have had a Flu Jab every year for the past 20+ years, and when they find and are able to offer me a Coronavirus Jab I will have it. I am more than happy to receive some protection against catching the disease. Flu and Coronavirus are both serious and can be deadly diseases for anybody, particularly older people and those with weak immune health systems. Yes and that tested is what I was talking about. It takes years not months. Maybe this interests you, on the swine flu vaccine in 2009, that virus also being new, not the same type of 'normal' swine flue; On 11 June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared that the swine flu had developed into a full scale world epidemic - a pandemic alert to Phase 6. ... Two pharmaceutical companies had, under considerable time pressure, developed a vaccine against the swine flu. .... On 25 September 2009 -so only 3 months later JUST like now-, the European Medicines Agency (EMEA) approved Pandemrix, the swine flu vaccine produced by GSK and Focetria produced by Novartis. ..... Then the blow came: "The worst nightmare of both the industry and the health authorities is an illness that turns out to be mild, while the vaccine that was supposed to prevent a dangerous epidemic causes a severe side effect that was previously unknown." Narcolepsy is a severe chronic neurologic disease that not only results in a disabling fatigue, which typically results in the patient falling asleep anywhere and at any time. It might also lead to panic attacks and a state of exhaustion. For many, the worst consequences are the symptoms of cataplexy. This condition causes the narcolepsy patient, when expressing strong feelings such as laughter or crying, to suddenly lose muscular control. The legs give way, speech gets slurred, the gaze goes unfocused and the person gives the impression of being drunk. In some patients, frightening hallucinations appear when falling asleep or waking up. ... No European countries had a particularly high rate of deaths due to the swine flue. Somewhere in 2010 the pandemic had gone and the WHO concluded it hadn't been all that bad. They'd cried wolf. And that vaccine had been tested AND approved of. Tested for maybe a few weeks because if it takes 3 months to find & create you're not tested for the whole 3 months. So maybe you're in a risk group, fair enough and understandable you're scared. But look at the facts and numbers. People aren't piling up in the streets. Almost everyone recovers and almost everyone who did get it had a VERY mild case, often not even knowing about it. But if people want to risk things like quoted above... like suddenly losing all muscle control, falling asleep wherever... Meaning you cannot drive a car, cycle, live alone, walk outdoors, anymore. You'd have to move into a home where you can be watched and looked after 24/7. All because of a tested & approved vaccine... I believe we need to do our own research, I found the results below off the internet, which disagree with your findings. From results of investigations in Taiwan and Europe, there is no statistical significance from all those people having narcolepsy, between the numbers of those not vaccinated before the start of vaccinations, and the numbers of those after being vaccinated, that indicates the vaccine caused an increase in the numbers above that normally expected within that population to develop narcolepsy. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6254596/#:~:text=Results,higher%20cumulative%20risk%20(1.1%20vs. Narcolepsy During the 2009–2010 H1N1 Pandemic(In Taiwan) There were 22 narcolepsy cases; five (23%) occurred after H1N1 vaccination. The vaccinated population had higher incidence (1.2 vs. 1.0 per million person-years, P = 0.711) (incidence rate ratio 1.24, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.40–3.83), and higher cumulative risk (1.1 vs. 0.9 per million persons, P = 0.772) (risk ratio 1.16, 95% CI 0.43–3.14) of narcolepsy (figure). These differences, however, were not significant. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html In 2014, CDC published a studyexternal icon on the association between 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines, 2010/2011 seasonal influenza vaccines, and narcolepsy. The analysis included more than 650,000 people who received the pandemic flu vaccine in 2009 and over 870,000 people who received the seasonal flu vaccine in 2010/2011. The study found that vaccination was not associated with an increased risk for narcolepsy. |
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Only one thing I can say: to each their own.
We all must make our own choices in life. If you're okay with a vaccine or medication that's barely been tested, which is supposed to take years, be my guest. I'm not. And I feel it's a shame that so many people react from fear and are willing to go there, risking all kinds of side-effects, and only filling the pockets of Big Pharma in the process that has proved over the years not to give a toss about us. |
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http://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/04/06/smashing-barriers-covid-vaccine.html
Understanding vaccine development and clinical trial testing . vaccination is a personal decision . . Hopefully a fully informed one :-) |
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Happened to stumble upon an article on the vaccine.
Research in Utrecht found that the vaccine itself will create/develop another disease within 2-3 years due to the vaccine's make-up. So then you might maybe perhaps per chance have something that works against Covid -which is wait and see as it hasn't been tested long enough- and then get ANOTHER disease because of the vaccine within 2-3 years. Odd to see the situation in the US is getting worse instead of better, numbers of new cases doubling?? And the so called 2nd wave in China from 2 weeks ago... Is that truly a 2nd wave I wonder? China has a helluva lot more people than the USA, yet China had 83.531 cases of Corona? Which leaves the logical assumption that most of the Chinese people have simply not been exposed to it, yet. Is it really strange they had some people getting it after 50 days of no cases? And not like thousands, some 45. Since the virus is still ongoing I wouldn't say it's a surprise that unexposed people can still attract it? |
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While browsing through this encyclopedic thread I came across: checkout a youtube video of a nyc doctor discussing steps that he strongly recommends to prevent the spread of covid19 and protect yourself and those around you...in the youtube app search for "nyc front lines doctor explains how easy"... -- Maybewecan 4/03/2020 I'm glad I did because in the video Dr. Dave Price gives 4 rules to protect family https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw Recorded March 22 Since my region is going through Lock Down 3, I would be very interested in your opinions and from our own Doctor on the validity of the claims in video After all video was recorded in March 22 and there's more info And if Dr Price is right - it would motivate us to help / assist fellow men here to change our scenario. TY |
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Hi jai ....
The 4 rules mentioned were 1. Guard your hands ....know where they are , what they are touching and know that they are clean at all times . Carry hand sanitizer to use . (Hand hygiene ) 2. Be more aware of your hands and avoid touching your face . (Hand hygiene) 3.. public do not need to wear a “medical grade mask “ 4 . Social distancing . 1, 2 and 4 relate to approved standard protocols endorsed by many global health authorities to reduce contact/large droplet transmission of covid . There is still global debate about mask use by the public , the type of mask recommended and whether masks should be mandatory . . There are several links already on this thread or you can message me privately for more info . ..,it is important to note that there are still uncertainties over transmission pathways . Science now points to airborne transmission of covid as a third potential route (not yet confirmed ). This was mentioned briefly in the video but only from a hospital standpoint (aerosol generating procedures such as suctioning / PPE and protective eyewear ). Studies by infectious disease and aerosol scientist have demonstrated that fine respiratory aerosols can be transmitted through normal talking /breathing ......and in the case of covid can survive for 3 hours in the air . Infective capacity has not been confirmed ...If you are interested in seeing the research let me know :-) 
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more lockdowns in China ....hebei outside of Beijing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-53216047 |
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New cases in Victoria Australia prompt further restrictions ....
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344775 |
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Two new cases for New Zealand .. now 18 active cases all from border entries .. all in quarantine facilities . Still no evidence of community transmission .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344964 |
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America buys entire world supply of remdesivir ....
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344792 |
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Edited by
Blondey111
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Remdesivir phase 3 clinical trial outcome ..,
official study data yet to be released . http://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/6/gilead-announces-results-from-phase-3-trial-of-remdesivir-in-patients-with-moderate-covid-19 FDA formal approval yet to be granted .... http://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/23/health/coronavirus-remdesivir.amp.html Preliminary study findings .... . http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764 America records biggest daily rise in cases since start of pandemic ., certainly demonstrated in graphical trends . .... http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/07/coronavirus-us-records-biggest-daily-rise-in-new-covid-19-cases-since-start-of-pandemic-reuters-tally.amp.html Expert opinion expresses concerns ..... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344450 |
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In the UK...preparations underway to lift lockdown from 4th of July and address economic issues .....,
http://amp.tvnz.co.nz/news/story/JTJGY29udGVudCUyRnR2bnolMkZvbmVuZXdzJTJGc3RvcnklMkYyMDIwJTJGMDYlMkYzMCUyRmJvcmlzLWNvdmlk |
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Science now points to airborne transmission of covid as a third potential route (not yet confirmed ). This was mentioned briefly in the video but only from a hospital standpoint (aerosol generating procedures such as suctioning / PPE and protective eyewear ). Studies by infectious disease and aerosol scientist have demonstrated that fine respiratory aerosols can be transmitted through normal talking /breathing ......and in the case of covid can survive for 3 hours in the air . Infective capacity has not been confirmed ...If you are interested in seeing the research let me know :-) waving Thanks Blondey. So if air borne transmission (3 hours survival) is considered then patients should convert their homes to ventilated sanatoriums and not go to hospitals unless they have breathing problems and need a ventilator. In other words hospitals can turn into breeding grounds for the virus with patient overload - right? Over here, except for the utility value of masks, we are in a fog. Just the other day our local government allowed 'non air conditioned restaurants' to open and since yesterday, under Lock down 3, ordered them closed. Most surprising are the reports on doctors / nurses continuing to get infected. I have some info that needs to be validated / medical opinion - mainly to ensure there's no misinformation when I share with my community here. Will mail. Thanks. 
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There are a lot of theoreticals in your question jai depending on context and environment .
In my country ., The majority of patients are tested away from hospitals at special Community testing facilities . Those requiring hospital care are transferred either to a dedicated area in the hospital or a negative pressure isolation room . There are very specific infection control procedures followed throughout the admission to protect staff, patients and the Hospital environment . Not all pts with breathing difficulties are ventilated that is a case by case assessment . There are other Less invasive oxygenation therapies which can be used . You are always welcome to share your info with me privately jai 
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12345158
Experts express concern ... that only a low percentage of global populations have been infected by covid ... as it reaches third world countries with poverty and poor health systems it will become unstoppable and that the summer season in the northern hemisphere does not appear to have slowed the virus down ... ultimately ... They worry the worst is yet to come . |
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