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For taking do a civil suit, he wouldn't have to do more than tell his secretary to get the lawyers on it.
He wouldn't even have to show to court. |
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looking like no civil suit either, as this was apparently the NORM( for them to record conversations, with his knowledge and consent and upon his request) as his memory was bad
so with HUNDREDS of such recordings it would be hard to PROVE That he had no knowledge or gave no consent,,,,and in a civil suit, a preponderance of evidence is what matters,, the one bringing the suit has to PROVE they didn't give consent, which isn't as easy as it sounds,,, |
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I think that most agree, who the hell cares what this guy says or does. 
Finally, wisdom speaks!...Hi ((((Alle))))...Pretty in pink today babe!  ...
Hello Luv! 
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Edited by
AthenaRose2
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Im not aware of mj making any bids for the clippers ,, as they have had the same owner for a couple decades,, its only NOW an option for a new owner,, and being in LA< a former athlete, and the person that this man objected to even being 'seen' with a 'delicate white woman'....him throwing in an offer would be understandable,,, its probably a blessing in disguise, an old confused man who has made plenty of money, time for him to let in some new blood and go enjoy his life with the people he really wants to be surrounded by,,, in public and private,,lol he paid $15 million for this team and he is gonna sell it for roughly $700 million, so I would say that he will be the one lol to the bank.. way to get out of a contract,,,lol like I said, no empathy for him, he isn't gonna really suffer anything at all ,, no one really is it just exposed some bigotry in the old man,, what a surprise that an older American might be bigoted huh? shrugs,,,,,, This whole owning a team is an ego thing for him.. They are the worst team in all of sports over the last 30 years record wise and he is going to make a huge profit from selling it.. I think the scorned mistress is the only one that is going to lose in this. California has a 2 party consent law in recorded conversations and I doubt he gave any consent so she will eventually be prosecuted and sued civilly by him.. She is phucked Except that there is more going on here than meets the eye. While I was away yesterday I listened to all the various programs that carried this story and became curious about the context as I heard all the opinions being bandied about. Then when I returned home I listened to the entire recorded message to see exactly what all the hoopla is really centering around... well.... When this story first hit the air I thought it smelled like a legal maneuver of some sort... To either strip Mr. Sterling of his team by Magic, or in a divorce fight over property; something in the realm of these possibilities... I also thought from just the bits and pieces of the story that was being aired here where I live that this was about a jilted lover seeking revenge... But... while listening to the recording I quickly deduced these two were'n��t fighting and that NOBODY talks to each other the way these two do on this tape! In fact their entire exchange sounds scripted like they were just reading lines. The slight gaff in the sentence she speaks... "I do not understand..." "How a person like you who's educated, who's here, still feels he's above the world and you can't even be seen with someone in which is considered of a different skin color..." clinched it for me. This momentary pause in her rendition of an unusually long sentence gave me pause... because who talks like this? I realized then something's up! And it wasn't anger between these two, or anger or hatred or even dislike toward minorities. There's entirely too much innuendo throughout this conversation that unless you know all the details surrounding the entire affair doesn't make any sense the way it'��s being presented for public analyzing and judgment. On the one hand he's saying he doesn't want his girlfriend, who is biracial (so how much of a hater can he really be) to be flaunting her association with other black people in public, (MJ specifically). On the other hand he says she can love them, Magic specifically, whom he says should be admired; she can even have sex with him, but to keep her affairs private. Mr. Sterling emphatically states that he wants her to love minorities, but only in private, and he doesn't want her flaunting it so he doesn't get calls from his cultured friends about her public behavior. There'��s nothing sinister or ill intended about what he'��s saying. What bothers me the most about this whole seemingly tawdry affair is how this veiled conversation can be twisted into being considered racist and damaging enough to Mr. Sterling's character that the media is having a field day fanning bigotry flames, and the NBA used it to immediately inflict sanctions and punitive damages, etc. I obviously don'��t have enough information to establish any definitive opinion on who'��s playing who or what they'��re really trying to accomplish at this point. But I will say that I think everyone has jumped the gun and been far too severe in their reactions toward Mr. Sterling from what I gather so far. And rather than show their own bigotry and hatred for him and his cultural practices by rushing to judgment and wanting to destroy the man, those with their own agendas and hearts set against him could have rationally and logically looked into the entire matter before quickly finding him guilty based on the topic of a private conversation with his girlfriend that they didn'��t like. Yes, there'��s way more going on here than meets the eye. And I'��m sure it will all be revealed in due course. 
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Im not aware of mj making any bids for the clippers ,, as they have had the same owner for a couple decades,, its only NOW an option for a new owner,, and being in LA< a former athlete, and the person that this man objected to even being 'seen' with a 'delicate white woman'....him throwing in an offer would be understandable,,, its probably a blessing in disguise, an old confused man who has made plenty of money, time for him to let in some new blood and go enjoy his life with the people he really wants to be surrounded by,,, in public and private,,lol he paid $15 million for this team and he is gonna sell it for roughly $700 million, so I would say that he will be the one lol to the bank.. way to get out of a contract,,,lol like I said, no empathy for him, he isn't gonna really suffer anything at all ,, no one really is it just exposed some bigotry in the old man,, what a surprise that an older American might be bigoted huh? shrugs,,,,,, This whole owning a team is an ego thing for him.. They are the worst team in all of sports over the last 30 years record wise and he is going to make a huge profit from selling it.. I think the scorned mistress is the only one that is going to lose in this. California has a 2 party consent law in recorded conversations and I doubt he gave any consent so she will eventually be prosecuted and sued civilly by him.. She is phucked I doubt it,, he will take his money and move on with his life he has little to gain from this woman , except maybe a lesson in reasons to be faithful (IF this was even his mistress, many including myself have only been ASSUMING) they aren't going quietly.. she broke the law in recording the conversation then releasing it. whether this guy is a bigot or not he is a billionaire and he and his wife will destroy this women simply because they can. don't be naive. After listening to I assume was the entire conversation I'm really having my doubts about Mr. Sterling being a true victim here when it relates to the tape and it's release. It's very much looking like he knew he was being recorded and this entire matter has been staged for some monetary purpose we're not aware of yet. IMO |
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What has happened to Mr. Sterling's right to free speech? Especially when his words didn't infringe on anyone else's rights, regardless to how revolting they are to some?
What is our country becoming when a person can be punished for simply stating their political opinions and or expressing their cultural beliefs and practices even if they aren't popular? Yes, I believe there is something more to this story and this taped discussion is simply a tool being used to unmask it while trying to destroy a man that certain people don't like. And I wonder what kind of lurid details will be exposed as the real reasons for his sought after banishment becomes apparent. 
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Edited by
AthenaRose2
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Thu 05/01/14 05:49 AM
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What has happened to Mr. Sterling's right to free speech? Especially when his words didn't infringe on anyone else's rights, regardless to how revolting they are to some? What is our country becoming when a person can be punished for simply stating their political opinions and or expressing their cultural beliefs and practices even if they aren't popular? Yes, I believe there is something more to this story and this taped discussion is simply a tool being used to unmask it while trying to destroy a man that certain people don't like. And I wonder what kind of lurid details will be exposed as the real reasons for his sought after banishment becomes apparent.
While further satisfying my curiosity I looked back to see how the media purposefully selected only the most flaming sound bites to enhance a racial intolerance frenzy in the eyes of the public, while they intentionally withheld all the nice things Mr. Sterling was saying in his message. (I mean unknowingly taped conversation.) To be followed by Kevin Johnson, a former all-star turned NBA adviser proudly boasting that... "This is a defining moment in our history. Today stands as one of those great moments, where sports once again transcends, where sports provides a place for fundamental change on how our country should think and act." And Lebron James thanked Commissioner Silver for being a great (albeit new) leader "for protecting their beautiful and powerful league."  curiosity peeks deeper and deeper... what do they need protection from? A few controversial words between a man and his woman?
While the Clippers went on to win the game they played on the same day they ousted their owner they've obviously and yet secretly despised for a long, long time. Coincidence, or a celebratory victory dance that was all part of the show? After all, games have been thrown before for far less conspicuous reasons. Yes, my dear Watson, this is a strange story with many turns and twists and rope to hang who? Can't wait to see how and who it continues to unfurl... 
WTF! Sports is the catalyst being used now by which we Americans are being schooled on how to think and act... With it's long history of immoral behavior on the part of some players and... 
Yikes... me thinks following the leader is a game I'll sit out for this particular moment while all the skeletons still in the closet begin to come out when this case hits the courts for trying to force a man to part with his favorite toy and obsession... his team... 
Sometimes it's in the best interest of all concerned to let dead dogs lie rather than riling them... But what do I know I'm just a bubble headed woman that doesn't know the first thing about basketball and what it takes to become a "STAR". Me thinks they protests too much... but then again... who will walk away a winner, and who will run away and hide... 
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Im not aware of mj making any bids for the clippers ,, as they have had the same owner for a couple decades,, its only NOW an option for a new owner,, and being in LA< a former athlete, and the person that this man objected to even being 'seen' with a 'delicate white woman'....him throwing in an offer would be understandable,,, its probably a blessing in disguise, an old confused man who has made plenty of money, time for him to let in some new blood and go enjoy his life with the people he really wants to be surrounded by,,, in public and private,,lol he paid $15 million for this team and he is gonna sell it for roughly $700 million, so I would say that he will be the one lol to the bank.. way to get out of a contract,,,lol like I said, no empathy for him, he isn't gonna really suffer anything at all ,, no one really is it just exposed some bigotry in the old man,, what a surprise that an older American might be bigoted huh? shrugs,,,,,, This whole owning a team is an ego thing for him.. They are the worst team in all of sports over the last 30 years record wise and he is going to make a huge profit from selling it.. I think the scorned mistress is the only one that is going to lose in this. California has a 2 party consent law in recorded conversations and I doubt he gave any consent so she will eventually be prosecuted and sued civilly by him.. She is phucked I doubt it,, he will take his money and move on with his life he has little to gain from this woman , except maybe a lesson in reasons to be faithful (IF this was even his mistress, many including myself have only been ASSUMING) they aren't going quietly.. she broke the law in recording the conversation then releasing it. whether this guy is a bigot or not he is a billionaire and he and his wife will destroy this women simply because they can. don't be naive. After listening to I assume was the entire conversation I'm really having my doubts about Mr. Sterling being a true victim here when it relates to the tape and it's release. It's very much looking like he knew he was being recorded and this entire matter has been staged for some monetary purpose we're not aware of yet. IMO I just did a search using "did donald sterling give consent to have conversation taped" and there is not one article that says he did. If this recording does not contain her saying "I am taping this" and him saying "that is fine" or "ok go ahead" then it doesn't meet the criteria for consent. My issue is that recording conversations without consent or court order, whether it is the NSA or someone looking to do it for devious purposes should not be accepted or condoned. Private conversations are private conversations. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 05/01/14 06:34 AM
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She recorded the conversation, Nehoray said, but had no role in providing the damaging tape to TMZ, the website that first broke the story. The conversation occurred at her home in September in the presence of another person and Sterling knew he was being recorded, Nehoray added
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-v-stiviano-attorney-someone-leaked-sterling-tape-for-money-20140430,0,7230834.story#ixzz30TD7zjfD perhaps this is why he is one of few who hasn't immediately played 'victim' to a 'setup' or unconsentual recording,,? the law doesn't require the consent be included on the tape,,, as to freedom of speech concerns,, I think people look at it with tunnelvision freedom of speech for me, does not take away freedom of movement, freedom of choice, or the right to 'pursue happiness' of others it merely means, one is not going to be able to be imprisoned for speaking it does not mean that someone can come on my property to 'protest' blacks in the neighborhood, their removal wouldn't be due to using their 'freedom of specch', their removal would be due to illegal trespass and disturbing the peace,,, it does not mean that I, for instance, must continue DATING a man who is verbally abusive, I have the freedom to refuse to see him anymore it does not mean that a business has to continue to employ a cashier that is regularly insulting its customers, they still have the freedom to FIRE that employee in the interest of their relationship with their customers so, as stated before, though Shirley Sherrod was never IMPRISONED for revealing she had trouble helping a white farmer years before, her EMPLOOYERS were 'free' to let her go because that PUBLIC knowledge than affected a PUBLIC IMAGE Which would adversely affect the office she held though Don Imus was never IMPRISONED for calling women nappy headed hoes, his EMPLOYERS Were 'free' to let him go because the PUBLIC knowledge of that statement affected the PUBLIC IMAGE/BRAND they promote and adversely affected THEIR BUSINESS though Sterling will not be IMPRISONED for saying that a white woman merely being SEEN with black people was hurtful and demeaning, his EMPLOYERS are 'free' to let him go because the PUBLIC knowledge of that sentiment/statement affects the PUBLIC IMAGE/BRAND they promote, and adversely affects THEIR BUSINESS I wonder if people would be so quick to jump to Oprah Winfreys defense if she were heard saying that its demeaning to be seen with white folks and the networks refused to air her material anymore,,,lol this guy is just not gonna be the innocent victim people jumping to his defense are hoping to make him,, just a billionaire who said the wrong thing and something detrimental to his job,,,, |
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Pay to play, this is the American way! And it appears that V. Stiviano prefers gold to silver as she banks her own way to success after devising a clever way to catch her ex-boyfriend in a predictable and compromising situation. Ms. Stiviano, while knowing her ex-lover's proclivities and previously established boundaries made it a point to antagonize him by making a public move that she knew could draw him out. I dare say she was hoping he would utter the very words she wanted to elicit from him for her own benefit, as well as for the benefit of those who are helping her promote this tactic. Donald Sterling, owner of the Los Angels Clippers has a well established track record of sponsoring his personal minority preferences by including some while excluding others. And regardless to which side of the track his feet are firmly planted it appears that everyone around him grows richer either by earning or winning a piece of the American pie he shares willingly or begrudgingly depending on the circumstances. Only now however, while everyone involved plays politics putting on airs of disgust and outrage, and publicly takes sides in their effort to oust him from the limelight do his previous supporters strip him of his lifetime achievement award they were to honor him with next month. It's reported that Mr. Sterling earned this public recognition because his organization gave more to the minority community than all the others. So ultimately, who is going to be served and who is going to be benched by shining a light on this lucrative, albeit sensitive, and public opinion generated agenda now being broadly exposed? Can't wait to see how this new game plays out...
On the other hand, while not knowing the details, if the Sterlings are in the midst of divorcing over Mr. Sterling's lifestyle choices, perhaps this maneuver is meant to divest them of their capital before divvying up their assets in the final decree... Like I said my dear Watson... this case is very, very interesting... and we have to wait and see... 
I don't understand what money is to be gained from this,, its not like its something that can be used as blackmail since everyone heard it,,,, at worst, he will lose some players or be replaced,, and the money being paid to him will be paid to someone else,,,,well, except for the agreed upon severance and other payments that will no doubt be negotiated behind closed doors nothing will be lost or gained,, he may just have to 'retire' earlier and lose a few black companions(or mixed,,lol) neither involved are angels, for me, its not about the one going with a married man ,,,,its just about the oddness of having a life so enriched by black people and yet feeling like it is somehow beneath a 'white' woman to be seen with them,,, to his companions, I imagine its the most shocking imagine having a boyfriend , no matter how good he was too you or others in your race/ethnicity,,,,and finding out that he felt it beneath him to be 'seen' with you or them,,,it would be hurtful and no doubt change ones desire to be 'seen' with him as well, or to be around him at all,, I mean I have heard and even due to Americas history, can understand(though not agree) with older people feeling like interracial 'dating' is somehow not right or appropriate but this feeling that even just 'being seen' with someone of another race is so terrible, is just,,,,,,the strangest version of 'non hateful' racism I have ever heard,,,lol IDK harmony it sounds like pretty hateful racism to me....I remember the old Sidney Poitier movie with Katharine Ross "Guess Whose Coming To Dinner?" Both parents (black & white) were not pleased with inter racial dating. In traditional cultures in the past it had been frowned upon.....but education is a wonderful thing.....lol |
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Edited by
AthenaRose2
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Thu 05/01/14 07:39 AM
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American justice 101...
Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law or public opinion? Slippery slopes........... yayyyyyyyyyyyy, skating, skiing, and sliding, even falling in... is so much fun.... until it hurts... then let's get up... and do it again... if at first you don't succeed to stardom... where there's a will there's a way... 
Strip civil rights from some... for whatever reason... even talking about things that are controversial... regardless to how personal or embarrassing... who and what's next? 
It's amazing how people go along quietly with things, even publicly awarding it as long as it puts money in everybody's pocket. But as soon as a threat, like let's say a scandalous divorce, or a public cat fight might put a stop to the free falling green, then everybody is so offended to the extreme. Yeah, American hypocrisy 101... Lesson one... Turn a blind eye... then when the game is up... pretend to cry. 
The pity me he's a bad man that talks trash and doesn't want to be seen in public with us version looks much better and garners more public sympathy than the gold digging do anything to get there version does, doesn't it? Just puzzling my mind dear Watson... why do you pester me with such contrary thoughts?  or is it just me talking to me?  I guess this is what can happen spending so much time alone to think...
American politics 101... Dirty to the core... and there's two sides to everything... sometimes 3 or more... Who knew? 
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She recorded the conversation, Nehoray said, but had no role in providing the damaging tape to TMZ, the website that first broke the story. The conversation occurred at her home in September in the presence of another person and Sterling knew he was being recorded, Nehoray added http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-v-stiviano-attorney-someone-leaked-sterling-tape-for-money-20140430,0,7230834.story#ixzz30TD7zjfD perhaps this is why he is one of few who hasn't immediately played 'victim' to a 'setup' or unconsentual recording,,? the law doesn't require the consent be included on the tape,,, as to freedom of speech concerns,, I think people look at it with tunnelvision freedom of speech for me, does not take away freedom of movement, freedom of choice, or the right to 'pursue happiness' of others it merely means, one is not going to be able to be imprisoned for speaking it does not mean that someone can come on my property to 'protest' blacks in the neighborhood, their removal wouldn't be due to using their 'freedom of specch', their removal would be due to illegal trespass and disturbing the peace,,, it does not mean that I, for instance, must continue DATING a man who is verbally abusive, I have the freedom to refuse to see him anymore it does not mean that a business has to continue to employ a cashier that is regularly insulting its customers, they still have the freedom to FIRE that employee in the interest of their relationship with their customers so, as stated before, though Shirley Sherrod was never IMPRISONED for revealing she had trouble helping a white farmer years before, her EMPLOOYERS were 'free' to let her go because that PUBLIC knowledge than affected a PUBLIC IMAGE Which would adversely affect the office she held though Don Imus was never IMPRISONED for calling women nappy headed hoes, his EMPLOYERS Were 'free' to let him go because the PUBLIC knowledge of that statement affected the PUBLIC IMAGE/BRAND they promote and adversely affected THEIR BUSINESS though Sterling will not be IMPRISONED for saying that a white woman merely being SEEN with black people was hurtful and demeaning, his EMPLOYERS are 'free' to let him go because the PUBLIC knowledge of that sentiment/statement affects the PUBLIC IMAGE/BRAND they promote, and adversely affects THEIR BUSINESS I wonder if people would be so quick to jump to Oprah Winfreys defense if she were heard saying that its demeaning to be seen with white folks and the networks refused to air her material anymore,,,lol this guy is just not gonna be the innocent victim people jumping to his defense are hoping to make him,, just a billionaire who said the wrong thing and something detrimental to his job,,,, Actually it does.. I live in a state that requires consent for being recorded. You must notify the person that they are being recorded and there must be an audible acceptance of this recording by that person or the taping of the conversation is illegal. If there is no audible or written consent required to be present then why bother to have wiretapping laws? Anyone can just claim that they were told 2 years ago that they were allowed to tape someone yesterday.. That is moronic.. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Thu 05/01/14 08:40 AM
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just came across this on FB!
via "Statism Is Slavery" Welcome to the world of double standards and hypocrites. Donald Sterling has been fined and banned from the NBA for life for saying he doesn't want his mistress to hang out with black people in public. He didn't make this statement in public knowingly. He expressed his opinion in the privacy of his own home, not knowing that his mistress was taping him. Instead of having her being excoriated for embarrassing him and making what was supposed to be a private conversation public, Sterling was punished by losing his job. Meanwhile, Shaq made fun of a man born with ectodermal dysplasia, which causes baldness and missing teeth. Shaq knowingly man fun of a man born with a genetic disorder in public and this story was hardly reported. Shaq hasn't been banned from attending NBA games and the incident was hardly reported. Making fun of someone born with a physical disability is far worse than a person being racist. A person making racist comments is the one who ends up looking like a fool, while making fun of people with disablities causes personal hurt. But such is the hypocritical world we live in, where people only want to report on stories that rile people up and cause more division instead of actually doing anything to make the world a better place. -DR |
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She is not an attention whore... LMFAO
http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/30/v-stiviano-video-president-donald-sterling-clippers/?adid=tmzhero7 |
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Not to mention, in his many, many years of preaching hate, has Fairycan ever been sued for bigotry and promoting separatism.
BTW, the NOI has 0, that's ZERO white folks as members. A bit racist, no? Thank you, Mr Invictus V for reminding all of us that each conversation we wish to tape, the other party needs to be advised. Ex. This phone call may be recorded for training purposes. (And, to use whatever info you may give us agin' ya.) |
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Not to mention, in his many, many years of preaching hate, has Fairycan ever been sued for bigotry and promoting separatism. BTW, the NOI has 0, that's ZERO white folks as members. A bit racist, no? Thank you, Mr Invictus V for reminding all of us that each conversation we wish to tape, the other party needs to be advised. Ex. This phone call may be recorded for training purposes. (And, to use whatever info you may give us agin' ya.) I was going to mention the training purposes caveat.. I can say when a customer service rep answers the phone that I decline to be taped and they are required by law to not tape beyond that point. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 05/01/14 09:19 AM
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So much for the 1st Amendment....... all of them for that matter under this admin and its minions..... Free country my a$$! |
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just came across this on FB! via "Statism Is Slavery" Welcome to the world of double standards and hypocrites. Donald Sterling has been fined and banned from the NBA for life for saying he doesn't want his mistress to hang out with black people in public. He didn't make this statement in public knowingly. He expressed his opinion in the privacy of his own home, not knowing that his mistress was taping him. Instead of having her being excoriated for embarrassing him and making what was supposed to be a private conversation public, Sterling was punished by losing his job. Meanwhile, Shaq made fun of a man born with ectodermal dysplasia, which causes baldness and missing teeth. Shaq knowingly man fun of a man born with a genetic disorder in public and this story was hardly reported. Shaq hasn't been banned from attending NBA games and the incident was hardly reported. Making fun of someone born with a physical disability is far worse than a person being racist. A person making racist comments is the one who ends up looking like a fool, while making fun of people with disablities causes personal hurt. But such is the hypocritical world we live in, where people only want to report on stories that rile people up and cause more division instead of actually doing anything to make the world a better place. -DR 
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She is not an attention whore... LMFAO http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/30/v-stiviano-video-president-donald-sterling-clippers/?adid=tmzhero7 She's not a whore...  ... don't burst my bubble InvictusV ...
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She is not an attention whore... LMFAO http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/30/v-stiviano-video-president-donald-sterling-clippers/?adid=tmzhero7 She's not a whore... ... don't burst my bubble InvictusV ...
what do you call someone that walks around with a grinding mask on and has her entourage wearing VSTIVIANO hats? haha... |
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