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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Does he know the things you say about gay people on here? And even if he's being safe, you believe what he's doing is not healthy? Do you tell him that? Do you try to push your beliefs on him? no as an adult now its his decision, he knows how I feel about the lifestyle and why because it was discussed already,, he also knows of my love for him from all the years of a relationship we built (none of it centered around his sexual preference) And all the relationship we continue to build upon that does not HAVE TO include his sexual relations,,,, I dont push anything, he is an adult, we had the discussions , when he asks I am honest, and life goes on,,,,I dont insert or push my thoughts about it,,, |
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I still don't see what Msharmony has against feeling good or doing what feels good. As long as it does not hurt someone else. logical fallacy it has nothing to do with all types of 'feeling good' or some general 'feeling good' opinion it has to do with when 'feeling good' conflicts with 'being healthy' or 'doing right' |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Ok so then if you understand that, what makes you think you have the right to tell someone else how to act personally in front of you, not preaching but just being who they are. never said anything about having that right, I cant tell any adult how to act unless they are in my home,,, not sure what you are talking about,,, |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Ok so then if you understand that, what makes you think you have the right to tell someone else how to act personally in front of you, not preaching but just being who they are. never said anything about having that right, I cant tell any adult how to act unless they are in my home,,, not sure what you are talking about,,, |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Ok so then if you understand that, what makes you think you have the right to tell someone else how to act personally in front of you, not preaching but just being who they are. never said anything about having that right, I cant tell any adult how to act unless they are in my home,,, not sure what you are talking about,,, just the idea of being so upset and offended when gay people show being gay in public. |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Okay now take that one situation and times it by thousands of incidents where you are at a public event and someone gets up and rails on Gay rights or that there is no God and see how you feel. Atheists have been hearing people carry on about God for years and years and just having their ears raped over and over and putting up with it. They have had enough. It is time to keep your religious beliefs personal and private and stop trying to "spread the word" in public gatherings to people who don't want to hear it. |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. haaa, ok,,,,I will rely on your expertise in parental love and raising children on this one,, NOT |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Ok so then if you understand that, what makes you think you have the right to tell someone else how to act personally in front of you, not preaching but just being who they are. never said anything about having that right, I cant tell any adult how to act unless they are in my home,,, not sure what you are talking about,,, just the idea of being so upset and offended when gay people show being gay in public. how 'upset' am I ? anymore 'upset' than when the non religious hear a religios person say a prayer on a loudspeaker? I agree,, just the idea,,,,, its the public, we dont have to 'like' it, ,but we should all be 'dealing' with that individuals self expression,,, |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. haaa, ok,,,,I will rely on your expertise in parental love and raising children on this one,, NOT We may not all have had children, but we have all been children with parents who can sometimes be a bit controlling. |
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 well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Okay now take that one situation and times it by thousands of incidents where you are at a public event and someone gets up and rails on Gay rights or that there is no God and see how you feel. Atheists have been hearing people carry on about God for years and years and just having their ears raped over and over and putting up with it. They have had enough. It is time to keep your religious beliefs personal and private and stop trying to "spread the word" in public gatherings to people who don't want to hear it. not gonna happen, gonna keep on having the right to be 'who we are' just like everyone else has,,,
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think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. haaa, ok,,,,I will rely on your expertise in parental love and raising children on this one,, NOT Don't have to have a kid to know what is proper love and care and what isn't. I can respect the fact you don't push your belief on him now as an adult, but have you ever thought to ask him how he feels about that? If that bothers him or hurts him? I would bet it probably does even if he doesn't say it. I mean how would you feel if your parents rejected the person you wanted to be with? |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. haaa, ok,,,,I will rely on your expertise in parental love and raising children on this one,, NOT We may not all have had children, but we have all been children with parents who can sometimes be a bit controlling. I feel for ya, I wasnt there, I Wasnt anyone elses parent,,, projection is pointless with me,,, |
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Okay now take that one situation and times it by thousands of incidents where you are at a public event and someone gets up and rails on Gay rights or that there is no God and see how you feel. Atheists have been hearing people carry on about God for years and years and just having their ears raped over and over and putting up with it. They have had enough. It is time to keep your religious beliefs personal and private and stop trying to "spread the word" in public gatherings to people who don't want to hear it. not gonna happen, gonna keep on having the right to be 'who we are' just like everyone else has,,,
You only have that right beyond where someone elses' starts, if you preach to someone else who clearly doesn't want to be preached at about what to believe (not the same as what gays do btw before you even try that), your rights end there. There are boundaries. |
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think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. haaa, ok,,,,I will rely on your expertise in parental love and raising children on this one,, NOT Don't have to have a kid to know what is proper love and care and what isn't. I can respect the fact you don't push your belief on him now as an adult, but have you ever thought to ask him how he feels about that? If that bothers him or hurts him? I would bet it probably does even if he doesn't say it. I mean how would you feel if your parents rejected the person you wanted to be with? he feels just as disappointed IM sure, as I do but that has little to do with whether we love each other he thinks I should be happy if he is happy, I have a different idea of what being a parent is primarily, thinking Im gonna encourage healthy behavior and not encourage unhealthy behavior,,, ,,,my parents HAVE rejected people I Was with,, and with good reason,, having the communication we have I related to and understood everyone of their objections I understood it came from love and protection I continued with my choice, and they didnt disrespect me or the other person nor did they pretend to be happy about it they dealt with us as INDIVIDUALS ,, how about that? not as a GAY COUPlE, or a STRAIGHT COUPLE,, that element they stayed out of COMPLETELY And we didnt force it on them or flaunt it in front of them out of respect,,, |
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Okay now take that one situation and times it by thousands of incidents where you are at a public event and someone gets up and rails on Gay rights or that there is no God and see how you feel. Atheists have been hearing people carry on about God for years and years and just having their ears raped over and over and putting up with it. They have had enough. It is time to keep your religious beliefs personal and private and stop trying to "spread the word" in public gatherings to people who don't want to hear it. not gonna happen, gonna keep on having the right to be 'who we are' just like everyone else has,,,
You only have that right beyond where someone elses' starts, if you preach to someone else who clearly doesn't want to be preached at about what to believe (not the same as what gays do btw before you even try that), your rights end there. There are boundaries. If YOU ARE AT A PUBLIC EVENT,, be prepared to hear the SPEAKERS views be an adult, deal with it, grow up,,,,, if you dont want to hear it,, leave if there is any other reason you are there, deal with it and be grateful for whatever it is you came to celebrate,,, |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. haaa, ok,,,,I will rely on your expertise in parental love and raising children on this one,, NOT We may not all have had children, but we have all been children with parents who can sometimes be a bit controlling. I feel for ya, I wasnt there, I Wasnt anyone elses parent,,, projection is pointless with me,,, You missed the point completely. You don't know all the answers to parenting and human nature just because you are a parent. How you raise your children is up to you, but keep it in the family. You don't need to go around telling other people how to raise theirs. 
when did I do that in this thread? I seem to recall my family being brought up and MY parenting style being assumed and critiqued,,,, |
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he feels just as disappointed IM sure, as I do but that has little to do with whether we love each other he thinks I should be happy if he is happy, I have a different idea of what being a parent is primarily, thinking Im gonna encourage healthy behavior and not encourage unhealthy behavior,,, ,,,my parents HAVE rejected people I Was with,, and with good reason,, having the communication we have I related to and understood everyone of their objections I understood it came from love and protection I continued with my choice, and they didnt disrespect me or the other person nor did they pretend to be happy about it they dealt with us as INDIVIDUALS ,, how about that? not as a GAY COUPlE, or a STRAIGHT COUPLE,, that element they stayed out of COMPLETELY And we didnt force it on them or flaunt it in front of them out of respect,,, I'm sorry I have a little different definition of love than you do, I don't think this is really love, it's more love with some conditions to me. Love to me means you put their happiness over your own, and desire the best for them even if they have a different definition of it than you might. I don't think you truly do that because even though you don't push your belief on him now, you have made it clear you reject his lifestyle which is a part of who he is. I don't see that as loving, I'm sorry but I don't. And to me.....I would feel disrespected if my parents rejected a lover of mine strictly on a basis like this, because it say to me they care again more about their morality and superiority than about what I need, and I think your son feels the same way. |
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Okay now take that one situation and times it by thousands of incidents where you are at a public event and someone gets up and rails on Gay rights or that there is no God and see how you feel. Atheists have been hearing people carry on about God for years and years and just having their ears raped over and over and putting up with it. They have had enough. It is time to keep your religious beliefs personal and private and stop trying to "spread the word" in public gatherings to people who don't want to hear it. not gonna happen, gonna keep on having the right to be 'who we are' just like everyone else has,,,
You only have that right beyond where someone elses' starts, if you preach to someone else who clearly doesn't want to be preached at about what to believe (not the same as what gays do btw before you even try that), your rights end there. There are boundaries. If YOU ARE AT A PUBLIC EVENT,, be prepared to hear the SPEAKERS views be an adult, deal with it, grow up,,,,, if you dont want to hear it,, leave if there is any other reason you are there, deal with it and be grateful for whatever it is you came to celebrate,,, it depends what the public event is for though......if it's designated for a certain believer or group of believers fine, anyone who doesn't want to hear about that or has no interest in it has the option to opt out, but at an event that is not designated as such I think it crosses the line because there is no such choice involved. |
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he feels just as disappointed IM sure, as I do but that has little to do with whether we love each other he thinks I should be happy if he is happy, I have a different idea of what being a parent is primarily, thinking Im gonna encourage healthy behavior and not encourage unhealthy behavior,,, ,,,my parents HAVE rejected people I Was with,, and with good reason,, having the communication we have I related to and understood everyone of their objections I understood it came from love and protection I continued with my choice, and they didnt disrespect me or the other person nor did they pretend to be happy about it they dealt with us as INDIVIDUALS ,, how about that? not as a GAY COUPlE, or a STRAIGHT COUPLE,, that element they stayed out of COMPLETELY And we didnt force it on them or flaunt it in front of them out of respect,,, I'm sorry I have a little different definition of love than you do, I don't think this is really love, it's more love with some conditions to me. Love to me means you put their happiness over your own, and desire the best for them even if they have a different definition of it than you might. I don't think you truly do that because even though you don't push your belief on him now, you have made it clear you reject his lifestyle which is a part of who he is. I don't see that as loving, I'm sorry but I don't. And to me.....I would feel disrespected if my parents rejected a lover of mine strictly on a basis like this, because it say to me they care again more about their morality and superiority than about what I need, and I think your son feels the same way. sorry if you have such a shallow relationship with your parents my relationship with my children started WELL before they made sexual choices and our bond is based in love not some utopian idea of everything that feels good to you is ok by me,,,, TRUST , that in my family, family is family and truth is truth and love shall never require turning from the truth,,, my son and my daughter are FIRST AND FOREMOST my son and my daughter and thats where our love starts ALWAYS,, whatever else is happening in our lives,,, they understand that completely,,, ,, you have no clue what my son feels,, from what I Have read, your family life has nothing in common with mine or my children we dont operate on a love that has the 'condition' that we agree with and support any and everything how about that!? |
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