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Topic: Brave Student Prays in Graduation Speech
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Sat 06/08/13 10:14 PM

If atheistic and agnostic students want to control what is said in valedictorian speeches, then they should strive to become valedictorians.

That makes no sense Dodo. Who's to say those people aren't the valedictorians at their schools?

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Sat 06/08/13 10:30 PM
The issue is what is said during a valedictorian speech.
So, if atheistic and agnostic students don't want God to be mentioned in valedictorian speeches, then they need to make sure that they are the valedictorians. That way they won't be trampling on the freedom of speech of others.

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Sun 06/09/13 08:04 AM

I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?

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Sun 06/09/13 09:01 AM


I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.

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Sun 06/09/13 09:07 AM

If atheistic and agnostic students want to control what is said in valedictorian speeches, then they should strive to become valedictorians.




Very well put.

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Sun 06/09/13 09:49 AM



I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.


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Sun 06/09/13 09:51 AM




I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.





:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Sun 06/09/13 09:59 AM




I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.




These two issues are very different. I get that you link them because your religion tells you not to support homosexuality. For me, though, gay people are just people. I believe they should have the same rights I do. And I will stand up for them to have those same rights.

As for praying in public, go for it. Just don't force others to join or be involved.

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Sun 06/09/13 10:00 AM




I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.




These two issues are very different. I get that you link them because your religion tells you not to support homosexuality. For me, though, gay people are just people. I believe they should have the same rights I do. And I will stand up for them to have those same rights.

As for praying in public, go for it. Just don't force others to join or be involved.

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Sun 06/09/13 10:04 AM



I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,,


so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat

I guess anti religion folks feel the same way when a religious person says a prayer in front of them, but as far as it being their right,, its the SAME thing,,,



thats kind of the point

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Sun 06/09/13 10:27 AM





I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.




I get that you link them because your religion tells you not to support homosexuality.



Not everyone who doesn't "support" homosexuality is religious.

Anatomy and physiology are explanatory.


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Sun 06/09/13 10:35 AM
Not everyone who doesn't "support" homosexuality is religious.

Anatomy and physiology are explanatory.


I wasn't responding to everyone, I was responding to you. You are against homosexuality and you're religious.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 06/09/13 10:36 AM
Clearly this student was not paying attention in Biology Class.

Revoke her diploma.

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/09/13 10:50 AM
I think everyone has the best 'intentions'

thats all,,lol

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Sun 06/09/13 11:45 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Sun 06/09/13 11:50 AM

Not everyone who doesn't "support" homosexuality is religious.

Anatomy and physiology are explanatory.


I wasn't responding to everyone, I was responding to you. You are against homosexuality and you're religious.


Not everyone who believes in God and the laws of creation is religious.

You were initially finding fault with public prayer.

It's noticable that you are usually the first on the scene to do that sort of thing.

Seems you're religious about the thing you support.

Conscientious here.


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Sun 06/09/13 11:49 AM


Not everyone who doesn't "support" homosexuality is religious.

Anatomy and physiology are explanatory.


I wasn't responding to everyone, I was responding to you. You are against homosexuality and you're religious.


Not everyone who believes in God and the laws of nature is religious.

You were initially finding fault with public prayer.

It's noticable that you are usually the first on the scene to do that sort of thing.

Seems you're religious about the thing you support.

Conscientious here.




I asked questions about public prayer, because I wanted to know why it was so important.

And no, I am not religious at all.

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Sun 06/09/13 11:53 AM




I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.


and so is Religion!

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/09/13 11:55 AM
the laws seem to enforce the idea that we should have the CHOICE to make otherwise personal things public,,,

it should apply to religion as much as it does to homosexuaility

TheCaptain's photo
Sun 06/09/13 02:34 PM
I normally keep my nose out of the political threads......


But my question is this.

As a legal resident of The United States of America, do I have the right to practice my religion in public if I so choose?

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Sun 06/09/13 02:52 PM




I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well?

I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well?


Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all.


Sing, You should ask yourself that same question..."Am I obsessed with public prayer?" Also ask yourself...Am I obsessed with speaking out publicly for the recognition of gayness?

You are intimately involved with gays. Your connection is voluntary.
We are all forced to be involved.
Everytime we turn on our tv or read the newspapers the topic of gayness is there...not just gay rights. Comedy & drama, news,

Everyday some sort of celebration or commendation is made on behalf of gays. It's all in our face.

Do we really need to know who's come out of the closet?
Why are we being force-fed other people's sexual appetites?
They even want to teach our kindergaten children about homosexuality.

Sex is a very private thing, so why do we all need to know who's doing who or what?

Prayers ask God to bring wisdom and good morals to the forefront.




Thank you.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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