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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you can. |
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WRONG< there is a difference between teaching about homosexuality,, and teaching homosexuality is normal thats the difference I am talking about,,, homosexuality has no reason to be taught to my children, the schools can cover ANAL SEX, or CUNNILINGUS strictly from the anatomical perspective,, there is no reason to go promoting sexual 'preferences' IF hte interest were really in teaching about homosexuality, why wouldnt that include all the EXPONENTIAL Risks that the behavior is associated with? the interest is in teaching the EMBRACING of homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality,,, which is BS I dont want taught to my child from people she is being taught to respect as educators,,,, All I am reading here is you want YOUR agenda, YOUR morals, YOUR beliefs fostered onto the kids. You don't care about them being able to think for themselves, you'd rather do it for them. You cannot separate what you are suggesting from the idea that you want to teach them to judge homosexuals/lesbians as less than acceptable people based solely on whom they choose to share their lives with. You just cannot do it, it goes together. The fact is, kids are GOING to be exposed to these differences as they grow up, and it's something they need to know about and understand so they can handle it. Yes risks should be taught just as much as risks should be taught for straight sex, but to outright instill them that these people are different or less worthy of respect in any way is crossing the line. They may not be able to have kids like straight people can, but there is not one damn thing wrong with being with one another, I don't care what the Bible says about it, it is not relevant for discussion as it pertains to human rights and individuality. It needs to be kept out of discussions like this. Give the child all the information totally unbiased and let them decide from there, is that that hard?? No Kleisto, I want to carry and birth and provide and care for children whose life is dictated by SOMEONE ELSES agenda, morals, and values 
You don't get it, you really don't, their lives should NOT be all about you, let them make of their lives what they choose, this is why a lot of parents lose the respect of their kids because they try and make them what THEY want them to be instead of what the child desires, instead of listening to the child and what it needs. We should not be preaching ultimatums to our kids. Try and keep them from making bad choices? Yes, but not just saying: "this is how it is, like it or not", that's a surefire way to lose the kids and asks for rebellion. Listen to your child, don't just try and control them, you'll get more respect and might even find they'll have a better life for it. I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, |
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WRONG< there is a difference between teaching about homosexuality,, and teaching homosexuality is normal thats the difference I am talking about,,, homosexuality has no reason to be taught to my children, the schools can cover ANAL SEX, or CUNNILINGUS strictly from the anatomical perspective,, there is no reason to go promoting sexual 'preferences' IF hte interest were really in teaching about homosexuality, why wouldnt that include all the EXPONENTIAL Risks that the behavior is associated with? the interest is in teaching the EMBRACING of homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality,,, which is BS I dont want taught to my child from people she is being taught to respect as educators,,,, All I am reading here is you want YOUR agenda, YOUR morals, YOUR beliefs fostered onto the kids. You don't care about them being able to think for themselves, you'd rather do it for them. You cannot separate what you are suggesting from the idea that you want to teach them to judge homosexuals/lesbians as less than acceptable people based solely on whom they choose to share their lives with. You just cannot do it, it goes together. The fact is, kids are GOING to be exposed to these differences as they grow up, and it's something they need to know about and understand so they can handle it. Yes risks should be taught just as much as risks should be taught for straight sex, but to outright instill them that these people are different or less worthy of respect in any way is crossing the line. They may not be able to have kids like straight people can, but there is not one damn thing wrong with being with one another, I don't care what the Bible says about it, it is not relevant for discussion as it pertains to human rights and individuality. It needs to be kept out of discussions like this. Give the child all the information totally unbiased and let them decide from there, is that that hard?? all the information that implies 'there is not one damn thing wrong',,, of course,, right? yeah, thats hard for me becuase its a big pc lie,,,, so says your religion......but you can't base fact on it sorry to tell you. my religion didnt create the disproportionate risk factos check with the CDC {url] http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/ [/url} Hate to bust the fantasy 'all sex is the same if its consentual' bubble, ,,,,,, There's going to be risks in ANY kind of sex, straight or gay it doesn't matter, it will exist. You are just as likely to get std's or other health issues from straight sex than you are from gay. It all comes down to safety in the end. You can throw numbers around all you want, but at the end of the day the bottom line is that if you're safe and smart you are more likely to be ok, and if you're not you won't. That goes for both groups of people. |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is not heaven or hell and there is not God and Jesus is not coming back. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you can. Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, |
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Edited by
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. |
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WRONG< there is a difference between teaching about homosexuality,, and teaching homosexuality is normal thats the difference I am talking about,,, homosexuality has no reason to be taught to my children, the schools can cover ANAL SEX, or CUNNILINGUS strictly from the anatomical perspective,, there is no reason to go promoting sexual 'preferences' IF hte interest were really in teaching about homosexuality, why wouldnt that include all the EXPONENTIAL Risks that the behavior is associated with? the interest is in teaching the EMBRACING of homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality,,, which is BS I dont want taught to my child from people she is being taught to respect as educators,,,, All I am reading here is you want YOUR agenda, YOUR morals, YOUR beliefs fostered onto the kids. You don't care about them being able to think for themselves, you'd rather do it for them. You cannot separate what you are suggesting from the idea that you want to teach them to judge homosexuals/lesbians as less than acceptable people based solely on whom they choose to share their lives with. You just cannot do it, it goes together. The fact is, kids are GOING to be exposed to these differences as they grow up, and it's something they need to know about and understand so they can handle it. Yes risks should be taught just as much as risks should be taught for straight sex, but to outright instill them that these people are different or less worthy of respect in any way is crossing the line. They may not be able to have kids like straight people can, but there is not one damn thing wrong with being with one another, I don't care what the Bible says about it, it is not relevant for discussion as it pertains to human rights and individuality. It needs to be kept out of discussions like this. Give the child all the information totally unbiased and let them decide from there, is that that hard?? all the information that implies 'there is not one damn thing wrong',,, of course,, right? yeah, thats hard for me becuase its a big pc lie,,,, so says your religion......but you can't base fact on it sorry to tell you. my religion didnt create the disproportionate risk factos check with the CDC {url] http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/ [/url} Hate to bust the fantasy 'all sex is the same if its consentual' bubble, ,,,,,, There's going to be risks in ANY kind of sex, straight or gay it doesn't matter, it will exist. You are just as likely to get std's or other health issues from straight sex than you are from gay. It all comes down to safety in the end. You can throw numbers around all you want, but at the end of the day the bottom line is that if you're safe and smart you are more likely to be ok, and if you're not you won't. That goes for both groups of people. no, YOU ARE NOT JUST AS LIKELY, thats the point you are SIGNIFICANTLY mor at risk in those lifestyles,, and thats not from the bible strictly, ,thats in the CDC reports themself if anyone bothered to check them,,, and even with protection there are higher health risks in those communities that are not STD related,,,,because of pushing anatomy beyond its normal function,,, |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,,
What do you have against feeling good or doing what feels good? What is the alternative? Doing what feels bad and feeling bad? Did you know that can lead to disease and illness? |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is not heaven or hell and there is not God and Jesus is not coming back. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you can. Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, You whine about things that go against your religious beliefs a lot, though, so I will have to say that I don't believe you'd be completely fine with an atheist saying those things. |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is not heaven or hell and there is not God and Jesus is not coming back. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you can. Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, You whine about things that go against your religious beliefs a lot, though, so I will have to say that I don't believe you'd be completely fine with an atheist saying those things. yeah, in an opinion forum, I Give my opinion thats to be expected in a public event though, I kind of expect diversity of opinion and behavior,,,, |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,,
What do you have against feeling good or doing what feels good? What is the alternative? Doing what feels bad and feeling bad? Did you know that can lead to disease and illness? who says I have to have something 'against' feeling good I have something against being unhealthy or at risk,,,,or doing wrong,, or any other number of things people can engage in to 'feel good' not everything good for us 'feels good' we get too obessess with 'feeling good' and not involved enough with BEING HEALTHY |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Does he know the things you say about gay people on here? And even if he's being safe, you believe what he's doing is not healthy? Do you tell him that? Do you try to push your beliefs on him? |
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I still don't see what Msharmony has against feeling good or doing what feels good. As long as it does not hurt someone else.
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is not heaven or hell and there is not God and Jesus is not coming back. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you can. Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, You whine about things that go against your religious beliefs a lot, though, so I will have to say that I don't believe you'd be completely fine with an atheist saying those things. yeah, in an opinion forum, I Give my opinion thats to be expected in a public event though, I kind of expect diversity of opinion and behavior,,,, I'm not saying I think you're going to stand up at a public event and protest. But, if a speech like that happened, I bet you'd come back to a place like this and whine about it. That's what I'm talking about. |
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well then they are 'selfish' because they should expect a valedictorian at such an event who expresses THEIR Personal view of their future,,
thats what happens,,, if they dont want to hear about religion, maybe they should make sure their kid gets to be the valedictorian so that religion isnt mentioned,, So, if it were an atheist who was valedictorian and they went on about how god wasn't real, you'd be fine with that? No they wouldn't. I can just hear the speech now. Ladies and Gentlemen, I have some good news for you all. There is no heaven or hell and the Devil does not exist and there is no God and Jesus is not coming back. You are on your own. So please take responsibility for yourselves and be kind to one another and live your lives the best way you c Thats a good point Jeannie personally, I go to graduations to celebrate my loved ones accomplishment, and if the valedictorian chosen to speak expressed that was his view,, I wouldnt whinge about it it wouldnt be the point of why I was there and he would be free to feel and express whatever he wanted,, without me needing to 'like it' in order to respect his right to feel it and say it,,, Personally, I don't believe you. Oh I believe you would not whinge or make a fuss because you would just let it slide so as not to make a scene. But you would not like it if someone got up there and started talking about there not being any God, or about Gay rights. Especially gay rights. I wouldnt like it and I wouldnt have to,, but there would be plenty of other things going on that I WOULD like ,, and my expectation would not be that everything in that public forum would be something I 'liked',,,,, I dont expect in public that every person is going to be doing and saying things I LIKE,, because I dont expect everyone to like the same things,,,, Ok so then if you understand that, what makes you think you have the right to tell someone else how to act personally in front of you, not preaching but just being who they are. |
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, |
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Kleisto
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I listen to my children, I value my children, I Tell my children truth and not pc , feel good, do what feels good, rhetoric,,, my children will tell you that listening to them has never been an issue,, my family believes love doesnt have to exclude honesty for the sake of sparing feelings,,,honesty is a PART Of how we love each other,,caring enough to tell the truth,,, You're not though, you tell them YOUR truth. And as far as listening to your kids, isn't your son gay? If you truly listened to him and valued him as you say you would respect him as he is, and simply want him to be happy in it that life as opposed just drawing a line in the sand that he's wrong based on what you believe. listening to him doesnt require me to agree with whatever he says or does ,,,,,,,,and respecting him isnt based upon any requirement to agree with everything he says or does either,,, I Want him to be happy AND Healthy,, and what he engages in is NOT HEALTHY,,,, smokers are happy smoking until they get cancer, and I wouldnt be fine with him smoking either ,,,,whether it made him 'happy' or not,, I would explain that it was not something I could ever be pleased about beause I want him to have a HEALTHY life Smoking and this are not the same thing. Just be honest and admit you want him to think like you do, and you're upset that he's not. That's really what it is to me. You care more about your moral beliefs being upheld than what he wants for his life. Justify it how you want, it's still selfish and not good parenting, no matter the intentions. Ever stop to think how he feels when you reject him like this? I suspect not. think whatever you like when you carry life in you for nine months, sacrifice to raise and nurture it your whole life,, and then give unpopular advice based upon wanting them to have a healthy life I hope noone is pompous enough to suggest to you that your intentions are elsewhere there are plenty of things he doesnt think like I do, they cause him no harm , they are not unhealthy we dont agree in our taste in music, yet I still sit and listen to his musical interests with him we dont agree in our taste in fashione, yet I still have taken him shopping for what he wants to wear ,,,,please dont start ASSuming you know how I feel or how much I Care for my kids,,,, I don't really have to, what you've said on this site tells me plenty. You may in your mind think you're doing the right thing in treating the lifestyle this way, but in reality it's still not loving him how you think it is. |
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