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What we have here is a failure to tolerate.
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What we have here is a failure to tolerate.
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. |
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All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical. So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then. 
Yep. I would like to see someone get up and recite a prayer to Satan and see who gets excited. |
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Edited by
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Sun 06/09/13 03:51 PM
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I normally keep my nose out of the political threads...... But my question is this. As a legal resident of The United States of America, do I have the right to practice my religion in public if I so choose? Yes you do,unless your religion insists on proselytizing to a captive public audience when it is clearly against the rules and politically incorrect and considered rude. |
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Edited by
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Sun 06/09/13 06:16 PM
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All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical. So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.
Yep. I would like to see someone get up and recite a prayer to Satan and see who gets excited. Indeed.....can guarantee most who support this kid, would be angry at whoever did that. They're all for freedom of religious expression.....as long as it's theirs that is being expressed. They could care less about it otherwise, only when it suits them. |
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I normally keep my nose out of the political threads...... But my question is this. As a legal resident of The United States of America, do I have the right to practice my religion in public if I so choose? Yes you do,unless your religion insists on proselytizing to a captive public audience when it is clearly against the rules and politically incorrect and considered rude. when would a prayer turn into 'proseletyzing',,,? |
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Sun 06/09/13 06:28 PM
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All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical. So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.
Yep. I would like to see someone get up and recite a prayer to Satan and see who gets excited. Indeed.....can guarantee most who support this kid, would be angry at whoever did that. They're all for freedom of religious expression.....as long as it's theirs that is being expressed. They could care less about it otherwise, only when it suits them. Satan carries a different connotation than any God,, that person would probably be booed off the stage as I Cant imagine a prayer to Satan would have anything to do with forgiveness or AVOIDING evil in a culture where 'evil' is pretty universally a bad thing, I Think the comparison is lacking although, it is still about choice its kind of like comparing consentual incest or consentual sex between a teen and an adult, with homosexuality some will insist its not the same thing, although sex is sex and consent is consent likewise prayer is prayer,, although the details can sometimes make quite a bit of difference in perception,, |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Sun 06/09/13 07:03 PM
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. It's a little different when people are forced sort of by way of a crowd to pray with everyone else, and made to feel guilty if they did not. If you want a public prayer, do it in front of like minds then where everyone shares that belief, no need for a big marketplace where everyone may or may not share it. That's where prosteylzing comes in IMO to answer that question. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 06/09/13 07:07 PM
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. straight sex cant be 'forced' on anyone, noone is here without it,, it has to have happened for them to be able to exist to complain about it,, so I personally dont see the relevance of the comparison,,, but back on point,,,everyone, including you, should take your advice which is the point of the thread,,,and why people are applauding the young man for saying his prayer,,, I would not support forcing teachers to lead prayers in school, and I dont support forcing schools to teach a 'gay 'curriculum I totally support (in the name of free expression), INDIVIDUALS including in their personal speeches THEIR beliefs or aknowledging THEIR intimate relationships (lover, partner, spouse,,etc) its not an issue for me about believing everyone has to think like me, its just crossing a line between what we allow INDIVIDUALS to express for themself and what we mandate our childen be taught in schools media is a profit driven industry, I have long understood that, and whatever things become the popular and fashionble trend will become pushed and become more popular in society than they were before they were media fashions,,,, |
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. straight sex cant be 'forced' on anyone, noone is here without it,, it has to have happened for them to be able to exist to complain about it,, so I personally dont see the relevance of the comparison,,, but back on point,,,everyone, including you, should take your advice which is the point of the thread,,,and why people are applauding the young man for saying his prayer,,, but what about those who didn't believe it? to go back to my earlier comment I do believe that there was some prosteylzing going on there, intended or not. and of course you don't, you don't wanna see my argument so you're ignoring it. My argument simply is, if gays were to say to you that they were forced to see your behavior that THEY don't agree with or choose to live, that you'd not like it. So therefore, why is it ok for you to treat them the same way? |
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. straight sex cant be 'forced' on anyone, noone is here without it,, it has to have happened for them to be able to exist to complain about it,, so I personally dont see the relevance of the comparison,,, but back on point,,,everyone, including you, should take your advice which is the point of the thread,,,and why people are applauding the young man for saying his prayer,,, but what about those who didn't believe it? to go back to my earlier comment I do believe that there was some prosteylzing going on there, intended or not. and of course you don't, you don't wanna see my argument so you're ignoring it. My argument simply is, if gays were to say to you that they were forced to see your behavior that THEY don't agree with or choose to live, that you'd not like it. So therefore, why is it ok for you to treat them the same way? sorry, quite frankly, Id call them self hating, because without THAT Behavior, they wouldnt be existing how they can 'disagree' with it is beyond me,,,, IT is ok for me to treat people equally but not treat BEHAVIORS Equally,,,I owe NOTHING to homosexual behavior, the anatomy is not built for homosexual behavior, and so it is logical and normal for me to find it ABNORMAL and disagreeable,,, |
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I totally support (in the name of free expression), INDIVIDUALS including in their personal speeches THEIR beliefs or aknowledging THEIR intimate relationships (lover, partner, spouse,,etc) its not an issue for me about believing everyone has to think like me, its just crossing a line between what we allow INDIVIDUALS to express for themself and what we mandate our childen be taught in schools I disagree, it very much IS about everyone thinking like you, because how kids are raised and what they are taught will shape how they think later, so to say you don't want them being taught about homosexuality means you do want them to think the way you think, whether you admit that or not. You want to mold them to think YOUR WAY rather than making up their own mind with all the information available to them. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 06/09/13 07:15 PM
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All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical. So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.
Yep. I would like to see someone get up and recite a prayer to Satan and see who gets excited. Indeed.....can guarantee most who support this kid, would be angry at whoever did that. They're all for freedom of religious expression.....as long as it's theirs that is being expressed. They could care less about it otherwise, only when it suits them. Satan carries a different connotation than any God,, that person would probably be booed off the stage as I Cant imagine a prayer to Satan would have anything to do with forgiveness or AVOIDING evil in a culture where 'evil' is pretty universally a bad thing, I Think the comparison is lacking although, it is still about choice its kind of like comparing consentual incest or consentual sex between a teen and an adult, with homosexuality some will insist its not the same thing, although sex is sex and consent is consent likewise prayer is prayer,, although the details can sometimes make quite a bit of difference in perception,, People who worship Satan or the Devil do not consider him to be 'evil.'To them, he is the liberator of the Human race and the light bearer. He brought the knowledge of good and evil to Adam and Eve did he not? God wanted them to remain as innocent and ignorant as animals, procreating just like animals with no knowledge of good and evil. Satan only carries a different connotation to Christians because they are told that he is the ultimate evil and they believe it. And Msharmony, please stop bringing up issues of sex, incest and homosexuality. Are you obsessed with that? This is about sponsoring a particular religious belief in public when it is clearly against the rules to do so. Forget Satan if it bothers you so much. How would you like it if someone got up and did a little preaching about atheism and how there is no such thing as God? Its just rude to push your personal beliefs on a captive crowd at a public setting. Why can't people get this fact into their heads? |
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when would a prayer turn into 'proseletyzing',,,?
You can not possibly understand that to an atheist a prayer to God is proselytizing the existence of God? Or a prayer in "Jesus name" is proselytizing Christianity? Use your imagination. |
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I totally support (in the name of free expression), INDIVIDUALS including in their personal speeches THEIR beliefs or aknowledging THEIR intimate relationships (lover, partner, spouse,,etc) its not an issue for me about believing everyone has to think like me, its just crossing a line between what we allow INDIVIDUALS to express for themself and what we mandate our childen be taught in schools I disagree, it very much IS about everyone thinking like you, because how kids are raised and what they are taught will shape how they think later, so to say you don't want them being taught about homosexuality means you do want them to think the way you think, whether you admit that or not. You want to mold them to think YOUR WAY rather than making up their own mind with all the information available to them. WRONG< there is a difference between teaching about homosexuality,, and teaching homosexuality is normal thats the difference I am talking about,,, homosexuality has no reason to be taught to my children, the schools can cover ANAL SEX, or CUNNILINGUS strictly from the anatomical perspective,, there is no reason to go promoting sexual 'preferences' IF hte interest were really in teaching about homosexuality, why wouldnt that include all the EXPONENTIAL Risks that the behavior is associated with? the interest is in teaching the EMBRACING of homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality,,, which is BS I dont want taught to my child from people she is being taught to respect as educators,,, and right, I Want them to learn about anatomy and reproduction and leave all that other PC garbage to the media with me having an option to balance it out with non pc information so they can make better decisions,,, if the school says its so and mom says its not, thats causing a conflict at home that isnt the schools place to create,,,,, |
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. straight sex cant be 'forced' on anyone, noone is here without it,, it has to have happened for them to be able to exist to complain about it,, so I personally dont see the relevance of the comparison,,, but back on point,,,everyone, including you, should take your advice which is the point of the thread,,,and why people are applauding the young man for saying his prayer,,, but what about those who didn't believe it? to go back to my earlier comment I do believe that there was some prosteylzing going on there, intended or not. and of course you don't, you don't wanna see my argument so you're ignoring it. My argument simply is, if gays were to say to you that they were forced to see your behavior that THEY don't agree with or choose to live, that you'd not like it. So therefore, why is it ok for you to treat them the same way? sorry, quite frankly, Id call them self hating, because without THAT Behavior, they wouldnt be existing how they can 'disagree' with it is beyond me,,,, IT is ok for me to treat people equally but not treat BEHAVIORS Equally,,,I owe NOTHING to homosexual behavior, the anatomy is not built for homosexual behavior, and so it is logical and normal for me to find it ABNORMAL and disagreeable,,, Again you are ignoring the point, this is NOT an opinion issue......regardless of why they'd think that way, you wouldn't like it if they told you they didn't wanna see what you were doing, so if you wouldn't want it done to you, why is it ok to do it to them? It's not and should never have been. As for the rest, you are just showing yourself as selfish because you care more about your own morality than about what someone else actually wants for their life. You owe it to people to love them as they are, and if you are gonna cast judgment on them because they love someone who you disagree with SOLELY on biology and what you've been taught in religion, and no other reason, you fail that test. |
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All I am gonna say is this, I best not hear about anyone complaining if a Muslim prays publicly to Allah, or when any other religion or type of spirituality, has a public prayer for that matter, or even when an atheist chooses to make public his or her non belief. Because if you have the right to put yours out like this, so too do they, to say otherwise is hypocritical. So yeah, you want your right to be seen/heard? Fine. But don't complain when someone else wants to do the same, because they deserve the same right then.
Yep. I would like to see someone get up and recite a prayer to Satan and see who gets excited. Indeed.....can guarantee most who support this kid, would be angry at whoever did that. They're all for freedom of religious expression.....as long as it's theirs that is being expressed. They could care less about it otherwise, only when it suits them. Satan carries a different connotation than any God,, that person would probably be booed off the stage as I Cant imagine a prayer to Satan would have anything to do with forgiveness or AVOIDING evil in a culture where 'evil' is pretty universally a bad thing, I Think the comparison is lacking although, it is still about choice its kind of like comparing consentual incest or consentual sex between a teen and an adult, with homosexuality some will insist its not the same thing, although sex is sex and consent is consent likewise prayer is prayer,, although the details can sometimes make quite a bit of difference in perception,, People who worship Satan or the Devil do not consider him to be 'evil.'To them, he is the liberator of the Human race and the light bearer. He brought the knowledge of good and evil to Adam and Eve did he not? God wanted them to remain as innocent and ignorant as animals, procreating just like animals with no knowledge of good and evil. Satan only carries a different connotation to Christians because they are told that he is the ultimate evil and they believe it. And Msharmony, please stop bringing up issues of sex, incest and homosexuality. Are you obsessed with that? This is about sponsoring a particular religious belief in public when it is clearly against the rules to do so. Forget Satan if it bothers you so much. How would you like it if someone got up and did a little preaching about atheism and how there is no such thing as God? Its just rude to push your personal beliefs on a captive crowd at a public setting. Why can't people get this fact into their heads? I Cannot stop bring up homosexuality,, it is an analogy people in this forum who arent particularly religious seem to be extremely fond/protective of homosexuals and homosexuality its a way to get those people to relate to how the RELIGIOUS feel they are treated,,, |
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. straight sex cant be 'forced' on anyone, noone is here without it,, it has to have happened for them to be able to exist to complain about it,, so I personally dont see the relevance of the comparison,,, but back on point,,,everyone, including you, should take your advice which is the point of the thread,,,and why people are applauding the young man for saying his prayer,,, but what about those who didn't believe it? to go back to my earlier comment I do believe that there was some prosteylzing going on there, intended or not. and of course you don't, you don't wanna see my argument so you're ignoring it. My argument simply is, if gays were to say to you that they were forced to see your behavior that THEY don't agree with or choose to live, that you'd not like it. So therefore, why is it ok for you to treat them the same way? sorry, quite frankly, Id call them self hating, because without THAT Behavior, they wouldnt be existing how they can 'disagree' with it is beyond me,,,, IT is ok for me to treat people equally but not treat BEHAVIORS Equally,,,I owe NOTHING to homosexual behavior, the anatomy is not built for homosexual behavior, and so it is logical and normal for me to find it ABNORMAL and disagreeable,,, Again you are ignoring the point, this is NOT an opinion issue......regardless of why they'd think that way, you wouldn't like it if they told you they didn't wanna see what you were doing, so if you wouldn't want it done to you, why is it ok to do it to them? It's not and should never have been. As for the rest, you are just showing yourself as selfish because you care more about your own morality than about what someone else actually wants for their life. You owe it to people to love them as they are, and if you are gonna cast judgment on them because they love someone who you disagree with SOLELY on biology and what you've been taught in religion, and no other reason, you fail that test. how do I care more about my morality by stating I Want the same treatment about my religious choice as others get about their sexual choice? |
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I don't care if someone prays, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do you guys get from pushing your prayers on others? Why is it so important that you're able to pray in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make religion and prayer a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Sorry if it is off topic but doesn't this apply as well? I don't care if someone is gay, as long as they're not trying to force me to join in. But, what do gays get from pushing your gay acts on others? Why is it so important that you're able to be gay in front of big groups of people like this? What do you lose out on when you make being gay a personal thing, rather than trying to force others to accept it as well? Goodness you guys are obsessed with homosexuality. You keep bringing it up in threads it has nothing to do with. But, I'll give my response. I know many gay people and I've never been forced to join in. I've never had gay people push their "gay acts" on me. As for saying you're gay in front of a lot of people, same goes if you're straight, right? All the anti-gay people are basically getting up and letting everyone know they're straight. As for being forced to accept their being gay? You don't have to. They're just asking for equal rights. You don't have to be involved at all. its the same thing, because noone 'forces' anyone to share in their religious beliefs either just by using their own mouth to say a prayer out loud in public,,, so, I may have to put up with watching a display between two gay folks, either in public or most times I turn on my tv,, but thats not being forced to 'join' in, however much it feels like it is having it forced down my throat People are different from you, if you can't handle that than I suggest you move to a place where everyone thinks like you. Otherwise, learn to deal with it. Gays could argue straight sexuality is forced on them too, bet you wouldn't like that would you? I would suggest not. Not everyone will think like you or want to act like you publicly......that's just life. straight sex cant be 'forced' on anyone, noone is here without it,, it has to have happened for them to be able to exist to complain about it,, so I personally dont see the relevance of the comparison,,, but back on point,,,everyone, including you, should take your advice which is the point of the thread,,,and why people are applauding the young man for saying his prayer,,, but what about those who didn't believe it? to go back to my earlier comment I do believe that there was some prosteylzing going on there, intended or not. and of course you don't, you don't wanna see my argument so you're ignoring it. My argument simply is, if gays were to say to you that they were forced to see your behavior that THEY don't agree with or choose to live, that you'd not like it. So therefore, why is it ok for you to treat them the same way? sorry, quite frankly, Id call them self hating, because without THAT Behavior, they wouldnt be existing how they can 'disagree' with it is beyond me,,,, IT is ok for me to treat people equally but not treat BEHAVIORS Equally,,,I owe NOTHING to homosexual behavior, the anatomy is not built for homosexual behavior, and so it is logical and normal for me to find it ABNORMAL and disagreeable,,, Again you are ignoring the point, this is NOT an opinion issue......regardless of why they'd think that way, you wouldn't like it if they told you they didn't wanna see what you were doing, so if you wouldn't want it done to you, why is it ok to do it to them? It's not and should never have been. As for the rest, you are just showing yourself as selfish because you care more about your own morality than about what someone else actually wants for their life. You owe it to people to love them as they are, and if you are gonna cast judgment on them because they love someone who you disagree with SOLELY on biology and what you've been taught in religion, and no other reason, you fail that test. and this has never been about who I love or how I love why cant people seem to get the concept that disagreeing with BEHAVIOR Is not the same as mistreating people who choose to engage in it I guess seperating those two factors is a test others fail,,,,,I have a couple loved ones in my life engaged in lifestyles I disagree with,,,,, I dont DEFINE Them by that choice or that lifestyle on its own, they are complex and beautiful people and I treat them as such ,, which I can still do while DISAGREEING with some of what they do in their life,,, |
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