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Topic: Do Christians really believe.......?
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 05:47 PM
One thing people forget about religious faith.It doesn't require evidence or facts because they believe what was written or what they were told to be true.So they choose to accept myth as truth. In their eyes mythological theology is true because they believe it is. Or they are really really big wishful thinkers. That statement sounds so arrogant. It seems as if you feel superior to anyone who believes in anything that is not supported by some scientific authority or 'evidence' who calls it "facts." Scientists (or materialist)have their authority figures(gods) just as a religious person has theirs.(Bible) They are no different from each other in the slightest. If a person holds tightly to their "beliefs" (be them scientific or religious,) they are just as equally bound to find them shattered to bits some day in the twinkle of an eye. (I suspect this reality does not have the integrity we think it does.) It is very likely a holographic illusion that could go POOF! and just disappear.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:09 PM
Religious faith doesn't require a degree or intelligence for that matter. People choose to believe what they want.I can choose to believe in an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament.With religious faith i don't have to prove it exist because i believe it does.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/08/13 06:13 PM Edited by msharmony on Wed 05/08/13 06:14 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,,

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:18 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/08/13 06:20 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. there is no physical evidence pointing anymore to it all being coincidence than there is it being designed,,,,

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 06:20 PM
Religious faith doesn't require a degree or intelligence for that matter. People choose to believe what they want.I can choose to believe in an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament.With religious faith i don't have to prove it exist because i believe it does. I don't agree that people can choose to believe what they want. You can imagine an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament, but you can't make yourself 'believe' it exists without some reason or evidence to support that belief. You can "say" you believe it, but that is just a lie. But to really believe it, is not that simple.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 06:23 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. Do you know the function of a black hole?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:26 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. Do you know the function of a black hole? They are at the center of galaxies and quasars so the function is galaxy formation.I asked her to pray to her god and tell me what he said though.Now that i typed what i did she can type he said what i did....thx

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:28 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. there is no physical evidence pointing anymore to it all being coincidence than there is it being designed,,,, OK never mind you don't keep up with science i see.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 06:37 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. Do you know the function of a black hole? They are at the center of galaxies and quasars so the function is galaxy formation.I asked her to pray to her god and tell me what he said though.Now that i typed what i did she can type he said what i did....thx Right, we get it. You think people who believe in a creator are stupid and hear voices in their head. We forgive you for your arrogance.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 06:38 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. there is no physical evidence pointing anymore to it all being coincidence than there is it being designed,,,, OK never mind you don't keep up with science i see. Maybe you should be more specific. What science are you referring to that shows more physical evidence to support the "cosmic coincidence?"

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/08/13 06:39 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. there is no physical evidence pointing anymore to it all being coincidence than there is it being designed,,,, OK never mind you don't keep up with science i see. I keep up fine with what FACTS and EVIDENCE are scientifically, and I keep up fine with knowing that all the scientific evidence in the world cant prove a NEGATIVE ,,, it isnt proven that all the things science discovers didnt have a design that was created,,,,and it never will be,,,,

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:48 PM
Religious faith doesn't require a degree or intelligence for that matter. People choose to believe what they want.I can choose to believe in an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament.With religious faith i don't have to prove it exist because i believe it does. I don't agree that people can choose to believe what they want. You can imagine an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament, but you can't make yourself 'believe' it exists without some reason or evidence to support that belief. You can "say" you believe it, but that is just a lie. But to really believe it, is not that simple. See it's irrational for me to believe in a invisible fluffy puppy but it's not irrational to believe in a roguish invisible deity or deities?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:51 PM
and it never will be,,,, ------------------------------------------ I see another belief.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 06:54 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 05/08/13 06:55 PM
Religious faith doesn't require a degree or intelligence for that matter. People choose to believe what they want.I can choose to believe in an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament.With religious faith i don't have to prove it exist because i believe it does. I don't agree that people can choose to believe what they want. You can imagine an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament, but you can't make yourself 'believe' it exists without some reason or evidence to support that belief. You can "say" you believe it, but that is just a lie. But to really believe it, is not that simple. See it's irrational for me to believe in a invisible fluffy puppy but it's not irrational to believe in a roguish invisible deity or deities? That is not the point. The point is, you can't just choose to believe in something. You could no more believe in a deity than you could in an invisible fluffy puppy. You can't choose what you believe. You either have a reason to believe or not. You apparently have no reason to believe. So you don't. That's very simple.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:55 PM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. there is no physical evidence pointing anymore to it all being coincidence than there is it being designed,,,, OK never mind you don't keep up with science i see. I keep up fine with what FACTS and EVIDENCE are scientifically, and I keep up fine with knowing that all the scientific evidence in the world cant prove a NEGATIVE ,,, it isnt proven that all the things science discovers didnt have a design that was created,,,,and it never will be,,,, No you just use god of the gaps to fill in what science hasn't figured out yet...come on it's ok even theist scientist do it too.Admit it you worship the god of the gaps.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 06:57 PM
I wish science would 'figure it out." Most mainstream science can't even comprehend David Bohm's explicate and implicate orders. Mainstream science is still in the dark about how reality works.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Wed 05/08/13 06:59 PM
Religious faith doesn't require a degree or intelligence for that matter. People choose to believe what they want.I can choose to believe in an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament.With religious faith i don't have to prove it exist because i believe it does. I don't agree that people can choose to believe what they want. You can imagine an invisible fluffy puppy that floats on a white fluffy cloud below the firmament, but you can't make yourself 'believe' it exists without some reason or evidence to support that belief. You can "say" you believe it, but that is just a lie. But to really believe it, is not that simple. See it's irrational for me to believe in a invisible fluffy puppy but it's not irrational to believe in a roguish invisible deity or deities? That is not the point. The point is, you can't just choose to believe in something. You could no more believe in a deity than you could in an invisible fluffy puppy. You can't choose what you believe. You either have a reason to believe or not. You apparently have no reason to believe. So you don't. That's very simple. So if a jew and a christian walked up to you to try and convert you to their faith.Let's just say you're hindu at the time then the christian faith seemed like the one you fit in with you're typing you didn't choose to believe in their faith?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 05/08/13 07:08 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 05/08/13 07:09 PM
So if a jew and a christian walked up to you to try and convert you to their faith.Let's just say you're hindu at the time then the christian faith seemed like the one you fit in with you're typing you didn't choose to believe in their faith? Not a good analogy. Here is another one: I was raised in a Christian environment, and sent to Sunday school at a young age. Being told things by authority figures from the Bible all my life. I just didn't believe them. I could not simply 'decide' to believe them either. My tiny five year old brain said: "This is not true." I call it natural discrimination. I knew it was incorrect.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 05/09/13 06:36 AM
yes, even the dull minded can have faith,,,and Gods grace its not earned with mans tests, or diplomas,,,,,, and people can believe in the cycle of life being a big cosmic coincidence too,,, its all relative,,,, There's more physical evidence to support the cosmic coincidence though. Pray to your god and ask why did he create black holes,tell me what he says. there is no physical evidence pointing anymore to it all being coincidence than there is it being designed,,,, OK never mind you don't keep up with science i see. I keep up fine with what FACTS and EVIDENCE are scientifically, and I keep up fine with knowing that all the scientific evidence in the world cant prove a NEGATIVE ,,, it isnt proven that all the things science discovers didnt have a design that was created,,,,and it never will be,,,, No you just use god of the gaps to fill in what science hasn't figured out yet...come on it's ok even theist scientist do it too.Admit it you worship the god of the gaps. I worship the creator of all the things science cant figure out,,, others worship the science, even with its unexplained gaps so I guess gaps are common to both our belief systems,,,,,