Topic: Do Christians really believe.......?
Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 09/22/13 10:06 PM

If a man leaves his wife and children, and he promises to come back, how long should the wife sit and wait for him? Forever?

Look how long it has been for Jesus (if you believe he meant he might be gone for generations.) There are some who say that the promise to return was one that had a time frame that indicated it would be within THAT GENERATION.



"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place (Matthew 24:34)."


A generation. What did he mean? or was saying that they understood?


1 thing a lot of ministers keep preaching a generation at the time of Yahshua and now was 40 years.. made millions claiming this yet the bible does not say this.

Ps 90:10
10 The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
NKJV

I would say this Psalm attributed to Moses has a Generation pretty much pegged.

So Yahshua was talking about 70 to 80 years I would suggest.


"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place (Matthew 24:34)."

He spoke of this earlier at the Transformation.

Matt 16:27-17:1
27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

28 Jesus Transfigured on the Mount

(Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16-18)

Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."


NKJV

Interesting he talked about when he comes back here. What do we know about when he comes back?

Zech 14:12

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
NKJV
Many say this is Nuclear war.. I do not believe that because of what verses I am quoting.
Mal 3:2

2 "But who can endure the day of His coming?
And who can stand when He appears?
NKJV

We know this has not happened. We also know what will happen just before he comes back.

Who did they see at the Transformation?

Matt 17:1-3

Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
NKJV
Moses and EliYah.

Mal 4:4-5

4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
NKJV

What I am saying here is we are told about in the OT things that the Disciple knew because their was no NT while they were alive.

They understood fairly well what the Scriptures they knew said which would of been Zechariah and Malachi in short about Yahshua's coming and he also told them to wait until after his death to tell anyone what they saw.

What did they see?

They saw Yahshua shining. He comes back as Yahweh our Righteousness.. This is in Zech. We are told no one has seen Yahweh and lived. This is one reason why the Jews did not accept him because they believed he was coming in this glory.

and why I am saying this perceived Nuclear war in the Middle East is a farce that is preached.

So in Malachi the Law of Moses was to be remembered and he would send EliYah before he came to change the hearts of the children back to their earthly parents and Him and Yahweh.

He also said John was EliYah also but he was the forerunner Baptising in the wilderness preaching repentance.

We see these 2 in Rev. 11 called the 2 witnesses.

What do they witness to change the hearts of the people who are living in a Sodom and gommorah time?

The law of Moses and EliYah.

EliYah in the OT what did he proclaim to the Priests of Baal (Lord)?

That Elohim is Yahweh. That is what EliYah means.

Before Yahshua comes back 2 new things the people will hear who most will hate but he is not talking about the haters.

See When Yahshua said their be some hear that would not see death before they saw him come in his glory.


"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place (Matthew 24:34)."


You just saw that...
Matt 17:1

Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother,
NKJV

These 3 had seen a vision of the Future. The dead know nothing. Death is like sleep. Their is know knowledge of time in sleep neither is their when death happens. This is why we know when Yahshua told the thief on the stake he would be with him that day in Paradise we know the thief was not the 1st born of the Dead Yahshua was.

Peter James and John saw in a vision and was told not to tell anyone till after his death.. see it is even interesting that he says After 6 days he took the 3 up.

When does Yahshua come back in Prophecy? After 6 of his days because 1 day to Yahweh is like a 1000 years to us, another point of this vision .

This is what he was speaking of. Not that anyone their would still be alive.

They understood after his death what he meant about after 3 days he would rise.Peter talks about it in his books.

You can not just take a scripture and say see here.

That's why the scriptures always talk about 2 witnesses to settle a matter. whether in court or trying to understand the bible. because in the 2 witnesses the Bible gives you also a lot of the time tells 2 stories that you understand together to understand the meaning. shalom












no photo
Mon 09/23/13 08:38 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 09/23/13 08:49 AM
Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
NKJV
Moses and EliYah.




Aliens...? :tongue: :wink:

no photo
Mon 09/23/13 08:42 AM
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
NKJV
Many say this is Nuclear war.. I do not believe that because of what verses I am quoting.
Mal 3:2



This sounds like a frequency weapon that dissolves the holographic matter. It didn't say anything about their bones dissolving, so maybe only flesh and water is affected like a microwave weapon.



no photo
Mon 09/23/13 08:49 AM
You can not just take a scripture and say see here.


...and yet that is what everyone does.

For every preacher, there is a different interpretation for what they read.


KinBarrie's photo
Mon 09/23/13 09:16 AM
Edited by KinBarrie on Mon 09/23/13 09:19 AM






We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?


Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences?


I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition.



I don't think God had any intention of making us to be
perfect beings. It starts with the story of Adam and Eve.
First humans ever to be created by God. Satan is cast out
of Heaven for his plot to overtake God. Satan them tempts
Adam and Eve, and they give in.

Today, whether you believe or you don't, we fight with
the negative and positive forces. A spiritual battle if
you will, with God on one side and satan on the other, vying
for our souls. God for good, wants us all to be in Heaven with
him. Satan is furious with God for casting him out into hell
forever, and will try to entice any of God's creations "us" into
sinning, so when we pass, we enter into his lair of torture and
pain for eternity.

You may know the story I've just posted? Not sure? May all be
just fiction to you, and you just may believe in what modern
science teaches you and that's it? Faith though is about keeping
an open mind and doing all the right things. To love your neighbor as yourself. Never hate, be jealous, envious, hurtful or racist to anyone. Jesus only taught peace.


First of all that's a lie, Jesus himself even said that he comes not to bring peace but a sword in the Bible, and speaks of dividing families........you are being dishonest. If he was all about peace his words would reflect it and they do not.

That's number one, number two, if God did not intend us to be perfect beings as you say, then what sense does it make to punish us eternally in the way that it does, and wipe out whole civilizations at times in addition to? You're gonna tell me God KNOWINGLY makes us imperfect and flawed, and then gets mad when we act exactly as it wanted us to be able to? Bullcrap. Again, either God made everything and everyone as it intended, or God screwed up, it cannot be both.

Finally, any divine being that would let people burn eternally in hell knowing it could prevent it and wants all to be saved in the place, is not one worthy of any worship at all. Such is a being a monster, and as far from anything loving as one could get. Love does not let someone suffer just for the sake of suffering.


If You actually read the Bible, you'll see there are many
verses where Jesus mentions peace. Here are just some
of them:

John 14:27 ESV /

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

Exodus 20:13 ESV /

“You shall not murder.

Thessalonians 3:16 ESV /

Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times in every way. The Lord be with you all.

John 16:33 ESV /

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

1 Peter 3:11 ESV /

Let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

Romans 12:18 ESV /

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

There are two forces at work here, remember that. God is the spiritual force controlling all that is good in humankind, and
of the earth. Satan has just enough power to sway people into
doing bad, heinous acts. Ultimately though, it's up to us to
control what's thrown our way by satan and his minions. Satan
wants people to be atheists agnostics, and occultists. He has
gotten through to people like these, in order to aquire their
souls when they pass over. He's the ultimate tempter and
deceiver.

It's sin within ourselves and through satan that works
the karma towards natural disasters, as far as I know.
I'll have to look into this some more.

God is a loving God. However he's also just and a good
judge. His rules are clear, that either you get saved
and follow his commandments to the best of your ability.
If one get "saved", which means you believe Jesus came
down to earth and eventually died for our sins, meaning
he sacrificed himself in order that, if we repented and
prayed for forgiveness of our sins,we could escape the fires of hell. Also believing that he was
resurrected three days later going up to Heaven, and that
he is our Lord and Saviour. According to scripture, we
are then "saved".

Now, you can be saved and still sin. One just need to have
a conscience and pray for forgiveness once they do commit
a sin, whereas an unsaved person or non-believer will not
be forgiven. There are some who believe that "once saved
always saved. However, I had been told my my pastor that
the only way to become unsaved, the only unforgivable sin
is to be a believer who then turn back to being a non-believer.

Kleisto's photo
Mon 09/23/13 11:06 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Mon 09/23/13 11:07 AM







We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?


Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences?


I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition.



I don't think God had any intention of making us to be
perfect beings. It starts with the story of Adam and Eve.
First humans ever to be created by God. Satan is cast out
of Heaven for his plot to overtake God. Satan them tempts
Adam and Eve, and they give in.

Today, whether you believe or you don't, we fight with
the negative and positive forces. A spiritual battle if
you will, with God on one side and satan on the other, vying
for our souls. God for good, wants us all to be in Heaven with
him. Satan is furious with God for casting him out into hell
forever, and will try to entice any of God's creations "us" into
sinning, so when we pass, we enter into his lair of torture and
pain for eternity.

You may know the story I've just posted? Not sure? May all be
just fiction to you, and you just may believe in what modern
science teaches you and that's it? Faith though is about keeping
an open mind and doing all the right things. To love your neighbor as yourself. Never hate, be jealous, envious, hurtful or racist to anyone. Jesus only taught peace.


First of all that's a lie, Jesus himself even said that he comes not to bring peace but a sword in the Bible, and speaks of dividing families........you are being dishonest. If he was all about peace his words would reflect it and they do not.

That's number one, number two, if God did not intend us to be perfect beings as you say, then what sense does it make to punish us eternally in the way that it does, and wipe out whole civilizations at times in addition to? You're gonna tell me God KNOWINGLY makes us imperfect and flawed, and then gets mad when we act exactly as it wanted us to be able to? Bullcrap. Again, either God made everything and everyone as it intended, or God screwed up, it cannot be both.

Finally, any divine being that would let people burn eternally in hell knowing it could prevent it and wants all to be saved in the place, is not one worthy of any worship at all. Such is a being a monster, and as far from anything loving as one could get. Love does not let someone suffer just for the sake of suffering.


If You actually read the Bible, you'll see there are many
verses where Jesus mentions peace. Here are just some
of them:

John 14:27 ESV /

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

Exodus 20:13 ESV /

“You shall not murder.

Thessalonians 3:16 ESV /

Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times in every way. The Lord be with you all.

John 16:33 ESV /

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

1 Peter 3:11 ESV /

Let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

Romans 12:18 ESV /

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

There are two forces at work here, remember that. God is the spiritual force controlling all that is good in humankind, and
of the earth. Satan has just enough power to sway people into
doing bad, heinous acts. Ultimately though, it's up to us to
control what's thrown our way by satan and his minions. Satan
wants people to be atheists agnostics, and occultists. He has
gotten through to people like these, in order to aquire their
souls when they pass over. He's the ultimate tempter and
deceiver.

It's sin within ourselves and through satan that works
the karma towards natural disasters, as far as I know.
I'll have to look into this some more.

God is a loving God. However he's also just and a good
judge. His rules are clear, that either you get saved
and follow his commandments to the best of your ability.
If one get "saved", which means you believe Jesus came
down to earth and eventually died for our sins, meaning
he sacrificed himself in order that, if we repented and
prayed for forgiveness of our sins,we could escape the fires of hell. Also believing that he was
resurrected three days later going up to Heaven, and that
he is our Lord and Saviour. According to scripture, we
are then "saved".

Now, you can be saved and still sin. One just need to have
a conscience and pray for forgiveness once they do commit
a sin, whereas an unsaved person or non-believer will not
be forgiven. There are some who believe that "once saved
always saved. However, I had been told my my pastor that
the only way to become unsaved, the only unforgivable sin
is to be a believer who then turn back to being a non-believer.


Doesn't the Bible say love never fails? If God is love and love doesn't fail, yet it fails to save every single soul willing it to be, how does that NOT make it a failure?

Also if God is supposed to not be a keeper of wrongs.....how does it make sense that if you sin too much you can go to hell or at the least cease to exist? And if God is supposed to be merciful and forgiving even if one rebels against it (Daniel 9:9), how does it have the capacity to NOT forgive at the same time?

Finally about Jesus, ok fine it says all those things about peace, but it does not change the fact that it ALSO talks about bringing a sword in other parts of the Bible. Which is true?

Bottom line to me is simply that the Bible is one of the most contradictory pieces of literature ever written, it constantly speaks this double speak. As such, it is not the least bit credible to be any kind of complete truth in my estimation.


no photo
Mon 09/23/13 11:31 AM
Edited by lawgiver on Mon 09/23/13 11:33 AM
I don't think so. Because say I put a gun to a Christian's head, no doubt he'd beg for dear life. Kind of strange don't you think, considering how afterwards he'd go to heaven.

RKISIT's photo
Mon 09/23/13 12:00 PM
Edited by RKISIT on Mon 09/23/13 12:03 PM

There are two forces at work here, remember that. God is the spiritual force controlling all that is good in humankind, and
of the earth. Satan has just enough power to sway people into
doing bad, heinous acts. Ultimately though, it's up to us to
control what's thrown our way by satan and his minions. Satan
wants people to be atheists agnostics, and occultists. He has
gotten through to people like these, in order to aquire their
souls when they pass over. He's the ultimate tempter and
deceiver.
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Lets pretend what you typed is true.So if i die and Vishnu reincarnates me(hinduism)that's the work of satan or hindu is right and christianity was wrong?

licklylick's photo
Tue 09/24/13 10:07 PM
JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE...FOR CENTURIES MANY HAVE DOUBTED HIS WORD...FOR CENTURIES PPL HAVE ARGUED AND QUESTIONED HIS WORD....BUT JUST LIKE THIS POST...ONLY HIS WORD SHAL REMAIN...AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ARE A DUMPY IF YOU THINK THERE ISNT AN CREATOR...I DONT GIVE A **** WHAT YOU NAME HIM OR CALL HIM THAT ISNT THE POINT...YOU OUTTA BELIEVE BUT THERE ARE MANY THAT DOESNT....AND THATS WHY THEY QUESTIONED HIM...IF YOU HONESTLY WANT TO SEEK ANYTHING...ANY REAL ANSWER IM VERY SURE YOU WONT FIND IT ON THIS SITE...LOL...YOU JUST WANT TO START UP AND HOT TOPIC...AND RELIGION IS AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A BAFFLED TO THOSE THAT ARE CLOSED MINDED. SO, NOW YOU HAVE ALOT OF REPLIES AND IM SURE NONE OF IT HAS ANY MERIT AT ALL ON YOUR ORGINAL QUESTIONED OTHER THEN THOSE WHO COMMONLY AGREE WITH YOU AND THATS ALSO COMMON...ITS JUST LIKE A HUMAN FOLLOWER TO BE COMMON...NO ORGINALITY AT ALL....BUT JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY AND WONT BE THE LAST....YOU WILL DIE AND SO WILL THIS POST... MEMORIES OF YOU WILL BE LOST AND FORGOTTEN...BUT ONLY HIS WORD WILL REMAIN....FOREVER....THATS A FACT....

KinBarrie's photo
Wed 09/25/13 10:20 AM
Edited by KinBarrie on Wed 09/25/13 10:21 AM








We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?


Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences?


I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition.



I don't think God had any intention of making us to be
perfect beings. It starts with the story of Adam and Eve.
First humans ever to be created by God. Satan is cast out
of Heaven for his plot to overtake God. Satan them tempts
Adam and Eve, and they give in.

Today, whether you believe or you don't, we fight with
the negative and positive forces. A spiritual battle if
you will, with God on one side and satan on the other, vying
for our souls. God for good, wants us all to be in Heaven with
him. Satan is furious with God for casting him out into hell
forever, and will try to entice any of God's creations "us" into
sinning, so when we pass, we enter into his lair of torture and
pain for eternity.

You may know the story I've just posted? Not sure? May all be
just fiction to you, and you just may believe in what modern
science teaches you and that's it? Faith though is about keeping
an open mind and doing all the right things. To love your neighbor as yourself. Never hate, be jealous, envious, hurtful or racist to anyone. Jesus only taught peace.


First of all that's a lie, Jesus himself even said that he comes not to bring peace but a sword in the Bible, and speaks of dividing families........you are being dishonest. If he was all about peace his words would reflect it and they do not.

That's number one, number two, if God did not intend us to be perfect beings as you say, then what sense does it make to punish us eternally in the way that it does, and wipe out whole civilizations at times in addition to? You're gonna tell me God KNOWINGLY makes us imperfect and flawed, and then gets mad when we act exactly as it wanted us to be able to? Bullcrap. Again, either God made everything and everyone as it intended, or God screwed up, it cannot be both.

Finally, any divine being that would let people burn eternally in hell knowing it could prevent it and wants all to be saved in the place, is not one worthy of any worship at all. Such is a being a monster, and as far from anything loving as one could get. Love does not let someone suffer just for the sake of suffering.


If You actually read the Bible, you'll see there are many
verses where Jesus mentions peace. Here are just some
of them:

John 14:27 ESV /

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

Exodus 20:13 ESV /

“You shall not murder.

Thessalonians 3:16 ESV /

Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times in every way. The Lord be with you all.

John 16:33 ESV /

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

1 Peter 3:11 ESV /

Let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.

Romans 12:18 ESV /

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

There are two forces at work here, remember that. God is the spiritual force controlling all that is good in humankind, and
of the earth. Satan has just enough power to sway people into
doing bad, heinous acts. Ultimately though, it's up to us to
control what's thrown our way by satan and his minions. Satan
wants people to be atheists agnostics, and occultists. He has
gotten through to people like these, in order to aquire their
souls when they pass over. He's the ultimate tempter and
deceiver.

It's sin within ourselves and through satan that works
the karma towards natural disasters, as far as I know.
I'll have to look into this some more.

God is a loving God. However he's also just and a good
judge. His rules are clear, that either you get saved
and follow his commandments to the best of your ability.
If one get "saved", which means you believe Jesus came
down to earth and eventually died for our sins, meaning
he sacrificed himself in order that, if we repented and
prayed for forgiveness of our sins,we could escape the fires of hell. Also believing that he was
resurrected three days later going up to Heaven, and that
he is our Lord and Saviour. According to scripture, we
are then "saved".

Now, you can be saved and still sin. One just need to have
a conscience and pray for forgiveness once they do commit
a sin, whereas an unsaved person or non-believer will not
be forgiven. There are some who believe that "once saved
always saved. However, I had been told my my pastor that
the only way to become unsaved, the only unforgivable sin
is to be a believer who then turn back to being a non-believer.


Doesn't the Bible say love never fails? If God is love and love doesn't fail, yet it fails to save every single soul willing it to be, how does that NOT make it a failure?

Also if God is supposed to not be a keeper of wrongs.....how does it make sense that if you sin too much you can go to hell or at the least cease to exist? And if God is supposed to be merciful and forgiving even if one rebels against it (Daniel 9:9), how does it have the capacity to NOT forgive at the same time?

Finally about Jesus, ok fine it says all those things about peace, but it does not change the fact that it ALSO talks about bringing a sword in other parts of the Bible. Which is true?

Bottom line to me is simply that the Bible is one of the most contradictory pieces of literature ever written, it constantly speaks this double speak. As such, it is not the least bit credible to be any kind of complete truth in my estimation.




God is loving, Kliesto, but if we, his people choose to
ignore him and not give praise, prayer and ask his only
begotten son Jesus Christ for forgiveness, then we have
failed God. Why should we be forgiven if we didn't choose
to have a relationship with God and Jesus?

Not too long ago
I didn't understand the importance of this. I thought well,
"I'm a nice guy,so God will forgive me" for whatever reasons.
Even though I wasn't praying all that much, and not asking
for forgiveness and repenting for my sins. It doesn't work
that way. We must believe that God sent his only son Jesus
down to be crucified and die for our sins, so that we may
escape the bowels of hell when we die. And that he was
resurrected three days later, ascending to Heaven. And
also that he is our Lord and Savior. If one does not believe
then it's clear where they go when they die.

Now ceasing to exist. Are you talking about annihilationism?
It's the belief with some that when you die, you cease to
exist if you've sinned? It's a false teaching. And actually
as I've stated in the above post, your prior sins will be
nullified only, if you save yourself by repenting, have faith
in Jesus' mission here on earth and and believe he is our savior.
After that you are saved if you believe. You then begin a process
called regeneration, where you feel so much better for giving your
life to God.

The sword Jesus was bringing was just a figure of speech. The sword
he brought was just a warning to non-believers. Not once did he ever kill anyone, or asked for anyone to be killed.

What you think is your choice, Kliesto. I can't make you
change your mind. You can either choose God or choose your
own way.

KinBarrie's photo
Wed 09/25/13 10:23 AM

I don't think so. Because say I put a gun to a Christian's head, no doubt he'd beg for dear life. Kind of strange don't you think, considering how afterwards he'd go to heaven.


You put a gun to anyone's head and their going to have
that initial fear and shock. At least the saved, righteous
person will be going to the right place.

KinBarrie's photo
Wed 09/25/13 10:25 AM


There are two forces at work here, remember that. God is the spiritual force controlling all that is good in humankind, and
of the earth. Satan has just enough power to sway people into
doing bad, heinous acts. Ultimately though, it's up to us to
control what's thrown our way by satan and his minions. Satan
wants people to be atheists agnostics, and occultists. He has
gotten through to people like these, in order to aquire their
souls when they pass over. He's the ultimate tempter and
deceiver.
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Lets pretend what you typed is true.So if i die and Vishnu reincarnates me(hinduism)that's the work of satan or hindu is right and christianity was wrong?


You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity
is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come
back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself.

Kleisto's photo
Wed 09/25/13 08:35 PM


I don't think so. Because say I put a gun to a Christian's head, no doubt he'd beg for dear life. Kind of strange don't you think, considering how afterwards he'd go to heaven.


You put a gun to anyone's head and their going to have
that initial fear and shock. At least the saved, righteous
person will be going to the right place.



So that justified it? I think not! Love doesn't use terror tactics to get what it wants. Period. If you think it does, you don't know love or God.

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Thu 09/26/13 08:08 PM


We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect.

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Thu 09/26/13 09:46 PM

JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE...FOR CENTURIES MANY HAVE DOUBTED HIS WORD...FOR CENTURIES PPL HAVE ARGUED AND QUESTIONED HIS WORD....BUT JUST LIKE THIS POST...ONLY HIS WORD SHAL REMAIN...AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ARE A DUMPY IF YOU THINK THERE ISNT AN CREATOR...I DONT GIVE A **** WHAT YOU NAME HIM OR CALL HIM THAT ISNT THE POINT...YOU OUTTA BELIEVE BUT THERE ARE MANY THAT DOESNT....AND THATS WHY THEY QUESTIONED HIM...IF YOU HONESTLY WANT TO SEEK ANYTHING...ANY REAL ANSWER IM VERY SURE YOU WONT FIND IT ON THIS SITE...LOL...YOU JUST WANT TO START UP AND HOT TOPIC...AND RELIGION IS AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A BAFFLED TO THOSE THAT ARE CLOSED MINDED. SO, NOW YOU HAVE ALOT OF REPLIES AND IM SURE NONE OF IT HAS ANY MERIT AT ALL ON YOUR ORGINAL QUESTIONED OTHER THEN THOSE WHO COMMONLY AGREE WITH YOU AND THATS ALSO COMMON...ITS JUST LIKE A HUMAN FOLLOWER TO BE COMMON...NO ORGINALITY AT ALL....BUT JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY AND WONT BE THE LAST....YOU WILL DIE AND SO WILL THIS POST... MEMORIES OF YOU WILL BE LOST AND FORGOTTEN...BUT ONLY HIS WORD WILL REMAIN....FOREVER....THATS A FACT....


licklylick?

rofl rofl rofl

Just in case you don't know this, typing in all caps equals YELLING.

Yes I doubt all the B.S. that all religions preach. They are all either lying on purpose or they are just ignorant.



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Thu 09/26/13 09:49 PM



We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect.


If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions?

Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God?

I don't think so.


KinBarrie's photo
Thu 09/26/13 11:18 PM
Edited by KinBarrie on Thu 09/26/13 11:26 PM



I don't think so. Because say I put a gun to a Christian's head, no doubt he'd beg for dear life. Kind of strange don't you think, considering how afterwards he'd go to heaven.


You put a gun to anyone's head and their going to have
that initial fear and shock. At least the saved, righteous
person will be going to the right place.



So that justified it? I think not! Love doesn't use terror tactics to get what it wants. Period. If you think it does, you don't know love or God.


Who's the one who has the gun to the other person's head?
There is nowhere in scripture where murder is condoned,
so it's the man/or woman with the gun to the believer's
head. The non-believer is being used by satan. He can't
make him pull the trigger, no. But what he can do is fill
that person's mind with negative, evil lies and deception
to fool the non-believer into thinking what he/or she is
doing is somewhat justified.

Love is not coming from the one with the gun. Anything we think
of negatively, doesn't come from God, those are mental
attacks from satan, so only love comes from God and Jesus.
Thou shall not murder is one of the ten commandments. Clearly
stated and easily understood.

KinBarrie's photo
Thu 09/26/13 11:24 PM




We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect.


If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions?

Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God?

I don't think so.




We can either live for ourselves, or live for God as the
Bible teaches us to do. I'm not saying there haven't been
false teachings, or crooked preachers and priests. Of course
there have, they gave into temptation from satan.

If our decisions are negatively based, on what will
ultimately hurt us, or other people, then we're not
being guided by God.

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Fri 09/27/13 07:16 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 09/27/13 07:27 AM





We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect.


If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions?

Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God?

I don't think so.




We can either live for ourselves, or live for God as the
Bible teaches us to do. I'm not saying there haven't been
false teachings, or crooked preachers and priests. Of course
there have, they gave into temptation from satan.

If our decisions are negatively based, on what will
ultimately hurt us, or other people, then we're not
being guided by God.


Why would you believe that living for ourselves is wrong? What do you think we are here for? (TO LIVE!)

Too many people DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD IS so how on earth do you expect them to live for something the don't understand?

We are here to live for ourselves and each other. We (Humanity) is the expression of consciousness made flesh. We are here to live.

To live "for ourselves" is to live for God because we are that. That is what we are here to do.

(I don't believe that there is some entity living in some other world (heaven) who created humanity to be his servants. If that were true, we would not have free will. )

People use the term "God" and they don't even know what that is. They imagine there is some wise entity watching us who expects us to serve him and do his will. Then they have to imagine what that is.

If you think of God as a parent, then I would ask, what do you want for your children? Do you want them as your servants? Do you not want them to live for themselves and be happy?

So don't talk about how people should live for God rather than for themselves. It makes no sense. First you had better define God.








KinBarrie's photo
Fri 09/27/13 09:21 AM






We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect.
We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other,
in this spiritual battle of life.


God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work?

If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he?

God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect.


If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions?

Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God?

I don't think so.




We can either live for ourselves, or live for God as the
Bible teaches us to do. I'm not saying there haven't been
false teachings, or crooked preachers and priests. Of course
there have, they gave into temptation from satan.

If our decisions are negatively based, on what will
ultimately hurt us, or other people, then we're not
being guided by God.


Why would you believe that living for ourselves is wrong? What do you think we are here for? (TO LIVE!)

Too many people DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD IS so how on earth do you expect them to live for something the don't understand?

We are here to live for ourselves and each other. We (Humanity) is the expression of consciousness made flesh. We are here to live.

To live "for ourselves" is to live for God because we are that. That is what we are here to do.

(I don't believe that there is some entity living in some other world (heaven) who created humanity to be his servants. If that were true, we would not have free will. )

People use the term "God" and they don't even know what that is. They imagine there is some wise entity watching us who expects us to serve him and do his will. Then they have to imagine what that is.

If you think of God as a parent, then I would ask, what do you want for your children? Do you want them as your servants? Do you not want them to live for themselves and be happy?

So don't talk about how people should live for God rather than for themselves. It makes no sense. First you had better define God.


As a believer, the definition of God is that he is everything's
creator. Not just the humans he made in his image. The animals,
insects, our oceans, lakes, forestry, vegetation etc. He has
created us to do his will, according to the Bible. Living for
just ourselves constitutes selfishness, which is a sin.

God has given us free will in the physical realm. We can
either live by his words or ignore him and think he doesn't
even exist. If someone lives by the latter however, that
free will ends when we pass out of our physical bodies.

We can be as arrogant, selfish, close minded, hateful,
lustful, deceitful as much as we desire during our time
here in the physical body. God has made a place for people
who don't want any part of him when we die. That place is
hades.

For people who are in third world countries, who are in
remote parts who have never heard of God, they can still
be saved if they believe in a creator, and stay good
people. God gives them signs and visions to give them
a sense of his being.

God wants us to be happy. We are not so oppressed by
the rules written in the Bible, that we can't have any
happiness. But there are set rules we have to abide by
as his creations, which he makes very clear to his
people.