Topic: Do Christians really believe.......?
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Tue 05/07/13 04:21 AM

Wouldn't it be considered sacrilegious to point to any man and call him Jesus or the Messiah or God?




He would make a fine Jesus. The three wise men could be played by Tony Blair Dick Cheney and Binjamen Netanyahu. Sarah Palin for The Virgin Mary.

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Tue 05/07/13 04:24 AM
On a serious note. I only believe in the here and now. There is no second coming only WW3 if the war mongers don't wind their necks in.

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Tue 05/07/13 05:37 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 05/07/13 05:38 AM


Wouldn't it be considered sacrilegious to point to any man and call him Jesus or the Messiah or God?




He would make a fine Jesus. The three wise men could be played by Tony Blair Dick Cheney and Binjamen Netanyahu. Sarah Palin for The Virgin Mary.
Pray tell,who are your Heroes?
Khomeini,Ahmadinnerjacket and Assad the Younger?laugh

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Tue 05/07/13 06:30 AM
The Bible's own definition of offspring produced from unions between the sons of God and the daughters of man would be Demi Gods. So unless the son of God is not also a God, this would make Jesus a Demi God too wouldn't it.

Going from the word of the Bible it also would seem to indicate that either God had full breed sons himself or there were other Gods in those times.

The issue of unions between angles and daughters of man produced giants and the babes of fallen ones and daughters of man produced demons and monsters.

Fabulous book, that...has everything! :tongue:

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Tue 05/07/13 11:43 AM

The Bible's own definition of offspring produced from unions between the sons of God and the daughters of man would be Demi Gods. So unless the son of God is not also a God, this would make Jesus a Demi God too wouldn't it.


No, Jesus would be the son of God, because his father was God, not a "son of God," and so any sons Jesus (if he had any) would be "Demi Gods."



Going from the word of the Bible it also would seem to indicate that either God had full breed sons himself or there were other Gods in those times.


History shows that ancient civilisations were visited by many beings that were worshiped as ‘gods’.





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Tue 05/07/13 12:01 PM


The Bible's own definition of offspring produced from unions between the sons of God and the daughters of man would be Demi Gods. So unless the son of God is not also a God, this would make Jesus a Demi God too wouldn't it.


No, Jesus would be the son of God, because his father was God, not a "son of God," and so any sons Jesus (if he had any) would be "Demi Gods."



Going from the word of the Bible it also would seem to indicate that either God had full breed sons himself or there were other Gods in those times.


History shows that ancient civilisations were visited by many beings that were worshiped as ‘gods’.







I think you need to read Julian James' the Breakdown of the BiCarmel Mind

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Tue 05/07/13 12:23 PM
I've never heard of ulian James' the Breakdown of the BiCarmel Mind.

Why do you think I should read it?

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Tue 05/07/13 12:33 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 05/07/13 12:34 PM
Yes, I do remember his book. It is interesting and has some good points. I have my own theories about some of what he says.

His idea of what consciousness actually is, is not really the same as mine, but over looking that flaw I understand why he believes that way.

His observations and theory is a story of how as mankind became more conscious (of there own thoughts etc.) they actually gained more control of their will. (free will).

The "voice of god" theory is a matter of what concept of God one might entertain. (I have, on one occasion, heard my own voice in my head -- and if that is the voice of god,-- then I must be god.) bigsmile




Julian Jaynes (February 27, 1920 – November 21, 1997) was an American psychologist, best known for his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1976), in which he argued that ancient peoples were not conscious.

Jaynes defines "consciousness" more narrowly than most philosophers. Jaynes' definition of consciousness is synonymous with what philosophers call "meta-consciousness" or "meta-awareness" i.e. awareness of awareness, thoughts about thinking, desires about desires, beliefs about beliefs. This form of reflection is also distinct from the kinds of "deliberations" seen in other higher animals such as crows insofar as Jaynesian consciousness is dependent on linguistic cognition.

Jaynes wrote that ancient humans before roughly 1000BC were not reflectively meta-conscious and operated by means of automatic, nonconscious habit-schemas. Instead of having meta-consciousness, these humans were constituted by what Jaynes calls the "bicameral mind". For bicameral humans, when habit did not suffice to handle novel stimuli and stress rose at the moment of decision, neural activity in the "dominant" (left) hemisphere was modulated by auditory verbal hallucinations originating in the so-called "silent" (right) hemisphere (particularly the right temporal cortex), which were heard as the voice of a chieftain or god and immediately obeyed.

Jaynes wrote, "[For bicameral humans], volition came as a voice that was in the nature of a neurological command, in which the command and the action were not separated, in which to hear was to obey."[1] Jaynes argued that the change from bicamerality to consciousness (linguistic meta-cognition) occurred over a period of ten centuries beginning around 1000 BC. The selection pressure for Jaynesian consciousness as a means for cognitive control is due, in part, to chaotic social disorganizations and the development of new methods of behavioral control such as writing.[citation needed]

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Tue 05/07/13 12:49 PM
It explains that most ancient gods were the left side of the brain talking to the right side, until the corpus callosum fully developed.

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Tue 05/07/13 12:53 PM

It explains that most ancient gods were the left side of the brain talking to the right side, until the corpus callosum fully developed.


So he believes that the gods were basically the voices in people's heads.


That's an opinion, not an explanation. Perhaps an hypothesis. For him, perhaps the idea of aliens from the stars didn't set right.

laugh

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Tue 05/07/13 04:23 PM


The Bible's own definition of offspring produced from unions between the sons of God and the daughters of man would be Demi Gods. So unless the son of God is not also a God, this would make Jesus a Demi God too wouldn't it.


No, Jesus would be the son of God, because his father was God, not a "son of God," and so any sons Jesus (if he had any) would be "Demi Gods."



Going from the word of the Bible it also would seem to indicate that either God had full breed sons himself or there were other Gods in those times.


History shows that ancient civilisations were visited by many beings that were worshiped as ‘gods’.





So, the son of God is not the same as a God? Oh, wait, the Bible doesnt mention a Godess...so we have to assume any son of a God is a half breed to begin with. ??????? Is that it?

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Wed 05/08/13 11:44 AM


It explains that most ancient gods were the left side of the brain talking to the right side, until the corpus callosum fully developed.


So he believes that the gods were basically the voices in people's heads.


That's an opinion, not an explanation. Perhaps an hypothesis. For him, perhaps the idea of aliens from the stars didn't set right.

laugh


It is a generally accepted theory, due to the amount of anthropology, archeology, philology, etc. evidence for it. Whereas, the evidence for aliens consists of a single radio wave picked up in 1977. All that Von Daniken stuff has been debunked.

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Wed 05/08/13 11:49 AM



The Bible's own definition of offspring produced from unions between the sons of God and the daughters of man would be Demi Gods. So unless the son of God is not also a God, this would make Jesus a Demi God too wouldn't it.


No, Jesus would be the son of God, because his father was God, not a "son of God," and so any sons Jesus (if he had any) would be "Demi Gods."



Going from the word of the Bible it also would seem to indicate that either God had full breed sons himself or there were other Gods in those times.


History shows that ancient civilisations were visited by many beings that were worshiped as ‘gods’.





So, the son of God is not the same as a God? Oh, wait, the Bible doesnt mention a Godess...so we have to assume any son of a God is a half breed to begin with. ??????? Is that it?


Jewish tradition has several goddess, for example, Tohu and Bohu.

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Wed 05/08/13 12:40 PM
Edited by 1Cynderella on Wed 05/08/13 12:42 PM




The Bible's own definition of offending produced from unions between the sons of God and the daughters of man would be Demi Gods. So unless the son of God is not also a God, this would make Jesus a Demi God too wouldn't it.


No, Jesus would be the son of God, because his father was God, not a "son of God," and so any sons Jesus (if he had any) would be "Demi Gods."



Going from the word of the Bible it also would seem to indicate that either God had full breed sons himself or there were other Gods in those times.


History shows that ancient civilisations were visited by many beings that were worshiped as ‘gods’.





So, the son of God is not the same as a God? Oh, wait, the Bible doesnt mention a Godess...so we have to assume any son of a God is a half breed to begin with. ??????? Is that it?


Jewish tradition has several goddess, for example, Tohu and Bohu.
Yes, I've read of them. But I was referring to the comment I made earlier that a God and a son of God would produce the same offspring.

I was asking Jeannie, if she was telling me in her response, that she feels any sons of God mentioned in those passages in the Bible are not true Gods themselves, but are also born of a "daughter of men", as Jesus was? And if so, is that assumption based on the lack of a Godess being mentioned as being their Mothers?

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Wed 05/08/13 02:27 PM



It explains that most ancient gods were the left side of the brain talking to the right side, until the corpus callosum fully developed.


So he believes that the gods were basically the voices in people's heads.


That's an opinion, not an explanation. Perhaps an hypothesis. For him, perhaps the idea of aliens from the stars didn't set right.

laugh


It is a generally accepted theory, due to the amount of anthropology, archeology, philology, etc. evidence for it. Whereas, the evidence for aliens consists of a single radio wave picked up in 1977. All that Von Daniken stuff has been debunked.



rofl rofl rofl rofl

Seriously? You I believe, are grossly under informed. Perhaps, like him, the idea of an advanced civilizations or aliens doesn't set right with you, so you avoid looking at the evidence.

There is PLENTY!!

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Wed 05/08/13 02:30 PM
I was asking Jeannie, if she was telling me in her response, that she feels any sons of God mentioned in those passages in the Bible are not true Gods themselves, but are also born of a "daughter of men", as Jesus was? And if so, is that assumption based on the lack of a Godess being mentioned as being their Mothers?



It is only necessary to have a female to give birth here in this 3D dual reality. There is no distinction between male and female in the heavenly realms. The energies there have all attributes of both polarities.

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Wed 05/08/13 02:34 PM
slaphead :thumbsup:

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Wed 05/08/13 03:09 PM

I was asking Jeannie, if she was telling me in her response, that she feels any sons of God mentioned in those passages in the Bible are not true Gods themselves, but are also born of a "daughter of men", as Jesus was? And if so, is that assumption based on the lack of a Godess being mentioned as being their Mothers?



It is only necessary to have a female to give birth here in this 3D dual reality. There is no distinction between male and female in the heavenly realms. The energies there have all attributes of both polarities.
what No disrespect...but can I ask how we could possibly know this? :laughing:

I'm gonna mark that one down as something to take into consideration.

I'll bow out now. I don't have to understand everyone's thoughts on this one. Sorry to interrupt here. flowerforyou

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Wed 05/08/13 05:15 PM
Edited by RKISIT on Wed 05/08/13 05:17 PM
One thing people forget about religious faith.It doesn't require evidence or facts because they believe what was written or what they were told to be true.So they choose to accept myth as truth.
In their eyes mythological theology is true because they believe it is.
Or they are really really big wishful thinkers.

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Wed 05/08/13 05:36 PM


I was asking Jeannie, if she was telling me in her response, that she feels any sons of God mentioned in those passages in the Bible are not true Gods themselves, but are also born of a "daughter of men", as Jesus was? And if so, is that assumption based on the lack of a Godess being mentioned as being their Mothers?



It is only necessary to have a female to give birth here in this 3D dual reality. There is no distinction between male and female in the heavenly realms. The energies there have all attributes of both polarities.
what No disrespect...but can I ask how we could possibly know this? :laughing:


I think it is more likely than the idea of God being a male entity who goes around having sex with human women.

But if you want to ask how we can "know" something, the answer is we can't. The only thing I 'know' for sure is that I exist.