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Jeanniebean
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Okay I found the document that YOU claim proves something that it does not. It verifies what I have posted above.
If you even have the document that you claim you linked to, then you can prove it to yourself. Here is a cut and paste section of the genetic findings that YOU are shouting about. Admixture with local populations, including Khazars and Slavs, may have occurred subsequently during the 1000 year (2nd millennium) history of the European Jews. Based on analysis of Y chromosomal polymorphisms, Hammer estimated that the rate might have been as high as 0.5% per generation or 12.5% cumulatively (a figure derived from Motulsky), although this calculation might have underestimated the influx of European Y chromosomes during the initial formation of European Jewry.
Notably, up to 50% of Ashkenazi Jewish Y chromosomal haplogroups (E3b, G, J1, and Q) are of Middle Eastern origin, whereas the other prevalent haplogroups (J2, R1a1, R1b) may be representative of the early European admixture. The 7.5% prevalence of the R1a1 haplogroup among Ashkenazi Jews has been interpreted as a possible marker for Slavic or Khazar admixture because this haplogroup is very common among Ukrainians (where it was thought to have originated), Russians, and Sorbs, as well as among Central Asian populations, although the admixture may have occurred with Ukrainians, Poles, or Russians, rather than Khazars. 12,35 In support of the ancestry observations reported in the current study, the major distinguishing feature between Ashkenazi and Middle Eastern Jewish Y chromosomes was the absence of European haplogroups in Middle Eastern Jewish populations. 37 Four founder mitochondrial haplogroups of Middle Eastern origins comprise approximately 40% of the Ashkenazi Jewish genetic pool, whereas the remainder is comprised of other haplogroups, many of European origin and supporting the degree of admixture observed in the current study. 13 Evidence for founder females of Middle Eastern origin has been observed in other Jewish populations based on nonoverlapping mitochondrial haplotypes with coalescence times >2000 years. 14 The number of founders and their relative proportions from one population to another is variable. These Y chromosomal and mitochondrial haplogroup studies along with the population-specific genetic clusters and prevalent within and between-population IBD segments of the current study, and Mendelian genetic disease mutation studies all point to local founder effects with subsequent genetic drift that caused genetic differentiation. 38 The differential pattern of IBD observed only among Ashkenazi Jews in which older IBD segments became shorter and few new ones were created is consistent with a population bottleneck followed by rapid expansion (see Material and Methods ). This corresponds to the so-called demographic miracle of Ashkenazi Jewish history discussed earlier. |
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Do you even know what you are talking about?
It's about a Genome-Research which I posted three or four times,only to be called by her a Zionist-Lie and Zionist-Conspiracy because it contradicted her assumptions! Now,if she wants to see it,she will have to search for it herself! Same goes for anyone else! The Research satisfied Peers when it was reviewed,so it's good enough for me! Couldn't care less what anyone assumes! I searched for it and found it and it backs me up. You, on the other hand don't have a link to the full document and have obviously never even read anything but someone's headline. You have not even read the report. Check and mate. |
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Check and mate. Admit it.
The cut and paste above is from YOUR study. Other studies agree. which prove that all the Jews of Europe and Russia have ME-Genes!
Wrong Which proves you have not read them. So,next time you all try to go the route of No Jewish ME-Gene to delegitimize Israel,remember,that has been debunked,and we know it! The funny part about the above statement is that even if it were true, which it is not, it DOES NOT LEGITIMIZE ISRAEL. If you think it does, please tell me why you would think that? And if it does, then perhaps every single Ashenazi Jew in Israel should be genetically tested and the ones that fail should be thrown out. And according to YOUR study (that you claim you linked to but can't link to now) only 50% of all Askenazi Jews had ME genetic links. How hard would it be to actually link to the full study if you have it? " Notably, up to 50% of Ashkenazi Jewish Y chromosomal haplogroups (E3b, G, J1, and Q) are of Middle Eastern origin, whereas the other prevalent haplogroups (J2, R1a1, R1b) may be representative of the early European admixture." |
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I think your claims based on the genetic study have been refuted by Jeaniebean and common sense.
Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Let's examine some of your claims: Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. False. Your claim conflates the Jews with the Hebrews. While all ethnic Jews have Hebrew origins, not very many people with Hebrew origins became Jews. In fact, since the Hebrews (worshipping various different G-ds) mixed with the people of Canaan, the genetic markers stemming from 3,000 years ago are carried as much (or more) by Arabs & other semites than jews (Hence the term "Arab-Jew" for the Sephardim). Anyone making a claim to the Holy land based on such genetic markers would have to concede the legitimacy of semitic claim to that land, and true semites are arabs as much as jews. Since The jewish diaspora has had their "land claim" genome diluted by many generations of life away from the holy land, any hereditary claim to it is superceded by claims of the Arabs & semites who have lived there all along, since their gene pool has not been diluted anywhere near as much. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. To preserve their national & religious identity over the ages, Jews have discouraged interbreeding with gentile populations (which occurred nonetheless). The tendency then would have been for Jews of different origins to intermarry (e.g. Sephardim & Ashkenazi). For lack of more information regarding the prevalence of the middle-eastern genes in European/ Asian populations, it is probably fair to say that it likely accounts for the genetic similarity between the Sephardim and 40% of the Ashkenazim. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Sand's Claim is not refuted by the study cited. Since Judaism is a religion that accepts converts (like the Khazars and others), it IS fair to say that ethnically/genetically speaking, Jews have no more common origin in the Holy Land than a vast number of gentiles. I note that Israel disallows a "right of return" (and therefore Israeli citizenship) to people whose genetic ancestry points back to the Holy land. What is that if not religious discrimination? |
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I think your claims based on the genetic study have been refuted by Jeaniebean and common sense. Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Let's examine some of your claims: Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. False. Your claim conflates the Jews with the Hebrews. While all ethnic Jews have Hebrew origins, not very many people with Hebrew origins became Jews. In fact, since the Hebrews (worshipping various different G-ds) mixed with the people of Canaan, the genetic markers stemming from 3,000 years ago are carried as much (or more) by Arabs than jews (Hence the term "Arab-Jew for the Sephardim). Anyone making a claim to the Holy land based on such genetic markers would have to concede the legitimacy of semitic claim to that land, and true semites are arabs as much as jews. Since The jewish diaspora has had their "land claim" genome diluted by many generations of life away from the holy land, any hereditary claim to it is superceded by claims of the Arabs & semites who have lived there all along, since their gene pool has not been diluted anywhere near as much. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. To preserve their national & religious identity over the ages, Jews have discouraged interbreeding with gentile populations (which occurred nonetheless). The tendency then would have been for Jews of different origins to intermarry (e.g. Sephardim & Ashkenazi). For lack of more information regarding the prevalence of the middle-eastern genes in European/ Asian populations, it is probably fair to say that it likely accounts for the genetic similarity between the Sephardim and 40% of the Ashkenazim. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Sand's Claim is not refuted by the study cited. Since Judaism is a religion that accepts converts (like the Khazars and others), it IS fair to say that ethnically/genetically speaking, Jews have no more common origin in the Holy Land than a vast number of gentiles. It's about the latest in Genome-Research,but since it places Jews into the ME,it must be a Zionist Conspiracy,as it was titled by certain Posters when I posted the Information! 
Like I say,anyone not liking it,march on Jerusalem!
Yep,Shlomo Sand,refuted by all sorts of genetic Research!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Sand Refuted by exactly the Research I have been talking about! once more! http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/06/03/the-dna-of-abraham-s-children.html The DNA of Abraham’s Children Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM EDT Analysis of Jewish genomes refutes the Khazar claim. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html |
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I think your claims based on the genetic study have been refuted by Jeaniebean and common sense. Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Let's examine some of your claims: Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. False. Your claim conflates the Jews with the Hebrews. While all ethnic Jews have Hebrew origins, not very many people with Hebrew origins became Jews. In fact, since the Hebrews (worshipping various different G-ds) mixed with the people of Canaan, the genetic markers stemming from 3,000 years ago are carried as much (or more) by Arabs & other semites than jews (Hence the term "Arab-Jew" for the Sephardim). Anyone making a claim to the Holy land based on such genetic markers would have to concede the legitimacy of semitic claim to that land, and true semites are arabs as much as jews. Since The jewish diaspora has had their "land claim" genome diluted by many generations of life away from the holy land, any hereditary claim to it is superceded by claims of the Arabs & semites who have lived there all along, since their gene pool has not been diluted anywhere near as much. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. To preserve their national & religious identity over the ages, Jews have discouraged interbreeding with gentile populations (which occurred nonetheless). The tendency then would have been for Jews of different origins to intermarry (e.g. Sephardim & Ashkenazi). For lack of more information regarding the prevalence of the middle-eastern genes in European/ Asian populations, it is probably fair to say that it likely accounts for the genetic similarity between the Sephardim and 40% of the Ashkenazim. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Sand's Claim is not refuted by the study cited. Since Judaism is a religion that accepts converts (like the Khazars and others), it IS fair to say that ethnically/genetically speaking, Jews have no more common origin in the Holy Land than a vast number of gentiles.
Hebrews=Jews so there is no problem there. From the Wiki Hebrews (Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm; Modern Hebrew ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim; ISO 259-3 ʕibrim, ʕibriyim) is an ethnonym used in the Tanakh (Jewish Bible). It is mostly taken as synonymous with the Semitic Israelites, especially in the pre-monarchic period when they were still nomadic, but in some instances it may also be used in a wider sense, referring to the Phoenicians, or to other ancient groups, such as the group known as Shasu of Yhw on the eve of the Bronze Age collapse.[1] By the Roman era, Greek Hebraios could refer to the Jews in general, as Strong's Hebrew Dictionary puts it "any of the Jewish Nation"[2] and at other times more specifically to the Jews living in Judea. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible uses Hebrews and Jews interchangeably, in the Book Of Esther (2:5) Mordechai the Benjamite is called a Jew,[3] though he is not of the tribe of Judah. In Jonah 1:9 Jonah is called a Hebrew.[4] In Armenian, Italian, Kurdish, Old French and a few other languages the transfer of the name from Hebrew to Jew never took place, and 'Hebrew' is the primary used word for a Jew.[5][6][7][8] No point in dancing around on the head of a pin. Jews and Hebrews can be used interchangeably. Hebrew is the language of the Jews and since antiquity Jews have been referred to as Hebrews ie. those who speak Hebrew - namely the Jews.
Jews married other Jews just because they shared the same religious beliefs - exactly the same as <your religion here> married within the same religion. No conspiracy - just normal social behavior.
And the genetic evidence properly interpreted does indeed destroy Sand's and others arguments which attempt to diminish unjustifiably the obvious ties of the Jews to their homeland Israel. |
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JustDukkyMkII
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Analysis of Jewish genomes refutes the Khazar claim. What are you claiming?...that the asian Khazars descend from Abraham (like hundreds of millions and probably billions of other gentiles), or that Khazaria never became Jewish by conversion? http://www.khazaria.com/ Hebrews=Jews so there is no problem there. Hebrews≠>Jews, so there IS a problem there. The problem is erroneously equating a proselytizing religion (Judaism) with a genetic/ethnic (Semitic, Hebrew) origin. In fact, many Hebrews didn't adopt Judaism, and of those who did (some twenty-five hundred years ago), many "genetic Jews" have converted away to other religions (such as Islam). |
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Jeanniebean
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Hence the common misconception of what a Jew is.
If being a Jew is practicing Judaism, then many self proclaimed Jews are not really Jews. If being a Jew is a race, then which person below is a Jew? 
Race or Religion, make up your minds. And don't give me a bunch of redundant stuff about "a people" or "a nation" or genetic B.S. |
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So who gets the "right of return" to Israel?...The people currently practising the Judaic religion who may have absolutely no historic/genetic connection to the old Israel (and aren't really "returning"), or the multitudes of people (who are mostly gentiles) with a historic/genetic connection to the old land of Israel (which by now could be billions of people)?
I personally believe that people belong to the land they are born on (which gets kinda tricky for those born at sea). If I laid exclusive claim to the lands of my ancestors, I'd probably be kicking just about 7 billion people off my land and therefore have about 7 billion "terrorists" to deal with. |
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Jeanniebean
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Jews and Hebrews can be used interchangeably. Hebrew is the language of the Jews and since antiquity Jews have been referred to as
Hebrews ie. those who speak Hebrew - namely the Jews. The term "Jew" is actually a fairly new term. (used since the time when the idea of "The Jewish people" were invented) In older Bibles, you will not find the term "Jew" at all. If you are going to define a "Jew" by a bit of DNA regardless of what religion they practice or do not practice, then half the population of the entire world could probably claim to be Jews.
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Analysis of Jewish genomes refutes the Khazar claim. What are you claiming?...that the asian Khazars descend from Abraham (like hundreds of millions and probably billions of other gentiles), or that Khazaria never became Jewish by conversion? http://www.khazaria.com/ Hebrews=Jews so there is no problem there. Hebrews≠>Jews, so there IS a problem there. The problem is erroneously equating a proselytizing religion (Judaism) with a genetic/ethnic (Semitic, Hebrew) origin. In fact, many Hebrews didn't adopt Judaism, and of those who did (some twenty-five hundred years ago), many "genetic Jews" have converted away to other religions (such as Islam). 
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Analysis of Jewish genomes refutes the Khazar claim. What are you claiming?...that the asian Khazars descend from Abraham (like hundreds of millions and probably billions of other gentiles), or that Khazaria never became Jewish by conversion? http://www.khazaria.com/ Hebrews=Jews so there is no problem there. Hebrews≠>Jews, so there IS a problem there. The problem is erroneously equating a proselytizing religion (Judaism) with a genetic/ethnic (Semitic, Hebrew) origin. In fact, many Hebrews didn't adopt Judaism, and of those who did (some twenty-five hundred years ago), many "genetic Jews" have converted away to other religions (such as Islam).
Then post your link and provide your evidence. I believe I have already debunked your genetic claims. Show me what proof you are talking about and show me how it even matters or legitimizes Israel. Prove your claim. |
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Jews and Hebrews can be used interchangeably. Hebrew is the language of the Jews and since antiquity Jews have been referred to as
Hebrews ie. those who speak Hebrew - namely the Jews. The term "Jew" is actually a fairly new term. (used since the time when the idea of "The Jewish people" were invented) In older Bibles, you will not find the term "Jew" at all. If you are going to define a "Jew" by a bit of DNA regardless of what religion they practice or do not practice, then half the population of the entire world are probably Jews.
Don't just assume! Sand and all the Nay-sayers were proven wrong! Yet still cling to their outdated untenable position! Holy Cow!
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I think your claims based on the genetic study have been refuted by Jeaniebean and common sense. Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Let's examine some of your claims: Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. False. Your claim conflates the Jews with the Hebrews. While all ethnic Jews have Hebrew origins, not very many people with Hebrew origins became Jews. In fact, since the Hebrews (worshipping various different G-ds) mixed with the people of Canaan, the genetic markers stemming from 3,000 years ago are carried as much (or more) by Arabs than jews (Hence the term "Arab-Jew for the Sephardim). Anyone making a claim to the Holy land based on such genetic markers would have to concede the legitimacy of semitic claim to that land, and true semites are arabs as much as jews. Since The jewish diaspora has had their "land claim" genome diluted by many generations of life away from the holy land, any hereditary claim to it is superceded by claims of the Arabs & semites who have lived there all along, since their gene pool has not been diluted anywhere near as much. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. To preserve their national & religious identity over the ages, Jews have discouraged interbreeding with gentile populations (which occurred nonetheless). The tendency then would have been for Jews of different origins to intermarry (e.g. Sephardim & Ashkenazi). For lack of more information regarding the prevalence of the middle-eastern genes in European/ Asian populations, it is probably fair to say that it likely accounts for the genetic similarity between the Sephardim and 40% of the Ashkenazim. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Sand's Claim is not refuted by the study cited. Since Judaism is a religion that accepts converts (like the Khazars and others), it IS fair to say that ethnically/genetically speaking, Jews have no more common origin in the Holy Land than a vast number of gentiles. It's about the latest in Genome-Research,but since it places Jews into the ME,it must be a Zionist Conspiracy,as it was titled by certain Posters when I posted the Information!
Like I say,anyone not liking it,march on Jerusalem!
Yep,Shlomo Sand,refuted by all sorts of genetic Research!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Sand Refuted by exactly the Research I have been talking about! once more! http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/06/03/the-dna-of-abraham-s-children.html The DNA of Abraham’s Children Jun 2, 2010 8:00 PM EDT Analysis of Jewish genomes refutes the Khazar claim. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html |
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actually,that the Genetic Research proved you all wrong! Only in your poor deluded dreams. 
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Jews and Hebrews can be used interchangeably. Hebrew is the language of the Jews and since antiquity Jews have been referred to as
Hebrews ie. those who speak Hebrew - namely the Jews. The term "Jew" is actually a fairly new term. (used since the time when the idea of "The Jewish people" were invented) In older Bibles, you will not find the term "Jew" at all. If you are going to define a "Jew" by a bit of DNA regardless of what religion they practice or do not practice, then half the population of the entire world are probably Jews.
Don't just assume! Sand and all the Nay-sayers were proven wrong! Yet still cling to their outdated untenable position! Holy Cow!
I read it and I posted my proof from that very same report you are touting. I used your own evidence to prove my claim. |
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Tom Segev wrote that Sand's book "is intended to promote the idea that Israel should be a 'state of all its citizens' - Jews, Arabs and others - in contrast to its declared identity as a 'Jewish and democratic' state" and that the book is generally "well-written" and includes "numerous facts and insights that many Israelis will be astonished to read for the first time".
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actually,that the Genetic Research proved you all wrong! Only in your poor deluded dreams.
Unless,of course it is another one of those nefarious Zionist Conspiracies!
Or you all could bring your own genetic Research to the table,instead of subjective assertions! |
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Jeanniebean
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Tom Segev wrote that Sand's book "is intended to promote the idea that Israel should be a 'state of all its citizens' - Jews, Arabs and others - in contrast to its declared identity as a 'Jewish and democratic' state" and that the book is generally "well-written" and includes "numerous facts and insights that many Israelis will be astonished to read for the first time".
I agree that Israel has a right to exist as a State, but NOT as a "Jewish State." That is ridiculous idea. Israel should be a 'state of all its citizens' then there would not be so much bigotry and racial prejudice and profiling. But if they insist on being a "Jewish State" they should demand that all those who claim to be Jews should get a DNA test and should be devout practitioners of the Judaism religion. Otherwise this nonsense about a "Jewish State" is just a bunch of bigotry and prejudice and profiling. The idea of a "Jewish State" in my opinion is utterly absurd and ignorant. |
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