they said the same thing about palestinian inclusion in the UN and potentially the ICC - which I concur as the PLO is a terrorist group...

we need better leadership in the UN

Who leads the UN?...I thought all the nations are supposed to be equal.

I watched it. Just let me know if you'd like me to critique it.

the Secretary General. There is not ever going to be true equality because some will always have more influence........

I thought the Secretary General coordinated the UN's activities. I wasn't aware that he led or governed the body of nations called the UN.

In what ways could his leadership be better? (Where is he failing?)

BTW...The equality I was referring to was equality in law, not in terms of social/political/economic influence.

Give it your best shot. Stick to the video though - not the usual
ad hominem fallacious argument stuff that is often seen on the
forums. All cogent and accurate counterarguments are encouraged.

So far though most of what I see in the Israel bashing threads
is emotional thinly supported or unsupported claims about Israel
rather than carefully reasoned logic.

Nonetheless, if you can address the points made in the video and
say why they are not accurate it might be more interesting than
the usual regurgitated Israel-bashing propaganda....

well,PA just went and repudiated all of the Oslo-Accords!

Shows how serious they are about Peace!
Guess Abbas needs to protect his Millions he illegally siphoned off the Money given by the International Community to improve the Arab's Lot!

.......And, as subsequently declared by Azmi Bishara, an “Israeli” Arab professor of philosophy and cultural studies who later became the leader of Balad, an “Israeli” Arab political party that was elected to the Knesset based upon its anti-Israel platform:



“Well, I do not think there is a ‘Palestinian’ nation at all. I think there is an Arab nation. I always thought so, and I did not change my mind. I do not think there is a ‘Palestinian’ nation. I think it is a colonialist invention -- a ‘Palestinian’ nation. When were there any ‘Palestinians’? Where did it come from? I think there is an Arab nation. I never turned out to be a ‘Palestinian’ nationalist, despite my decisive struggle against the Occupation. I think that until the end of the 19th century, Palestine was the south of Greater Syria.” (Excerpt from televised interview given to Yaron London of Israel-based Channel 2 TV, circa 1999)



More recently, the inauthenticity of “Palestinian” ethnicity was publicly reiterated -- due to economic necessity -- by Fathi Hammad, then Hamas’ Minister of the Interior and of National Security, as part of his demand that Egypt provide more diesel fuel to Hamas-ruled Gaza:



“Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots; and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots -- whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. So where is your affection and mercy? . . . Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called [by the last name] Al-Masri [“the Egyptian”]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. We are Arabs. We are Muslims. We are a part of you.” (Excerpt from speech aired on Egypt-based Al-Hekmah TV, March 23, 2012)

Consequently, the spurious claim of a separate and distinct "Palestinian" ethnic identity -- together with its corollary claim of contemporary "Palestinian" collective ownership of the Land of Israel (especially Judea, Samaria, the eastern portion of Jerusalem and Gaza, over which territories the “Palestinians” have previously renounced any such claim) -- is merely a modern adaptation by the Arab nations and the larger Muslim world of that ancient propaganda device fashioned by the Roman Empire to delegitimize the almost four millennia old national Jewish claim to the biblical Land of Israel, as the first stage of their revised long-term plan to destroy the resurrected State of Israel.

[Note: Just as the "Palestinians" are not an authentic ethnic group, neither are the "Israelis" -- comprising not only resident Jews but also Circassians, Samaritans, Arabs, (those descendants of Arabs known as) Druze and other gentiles who have been permitted to become citizens of Israel -- an authentic ethnic group. However, the Jews -- unlike the "Palestinians" -- do constitute such an authentic ethnic group.]

© Mark S. Rosenblit

Since the Palestine Liberation Organization's original Covenant explicitly recognized Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem (including the Temple Mount), and Gaza as belonging to other Arab states, the only "Arab homeland" of "Palestine" which that organization sought to "liberate" in 1964 was the State of Israel within its 1949 armistice demarcation lines. However, in response to the Jewish people's reclamation in the 1967 Six Day War of those illegally-occupied areas, the Palestine Liberation Organization thereupon revised its National Covenant on July 17, 1968 to, inter alia, remove the operative language of Article 24 therefrom, thereby reversing its prior declaration that those areas did not belong to "Palestine" and thereby -- for the first time -- asserting a "Palestinian" claim of sovereignty thereto. Being indisputably based upon the changing status of Jewish territorial reclamation, the “Palestinian” renunciation of sovereignty and subsequent cancellation of that renunciation demonstrate that the “nationalism” espoused by the “Palestinians” has nothing to do with their professed desire to create a State for themselves, and everything to do with their desire to dismantle the preexisting Jewish State.

Furthermore, as regards its dominant Arab element, and as explicitly declared in Articles 1 and 3 of the P.L.O. National Covenant of 1964, the "Palestinian" people is not ethnically distinct from the great masses of Arab clans ranging through 21 sovereign Arab nations from Mauritania in the West to Oman in the East. Moreover, never in the annals of History, did the ancestors of the people who now call themselves "Palestinians" ever rule -- or even reside in -- a nation-state or kingdom of "Palestine", as such a sovereign entity never existed.

Lastly, even the quintessential symbol of the "Palestinian" people, namely, former P.L.O. chairman and former Palestinian Authority president Yasser Arafat, serves to prove its nonexistence. Arafat was an Egyptian national born in Cairo in 1929 -- some four decades before any assertion of the existence of an ethnically distinct "Palestinian" people -- who continued to live in Egypt through the creation of modern Israel (i.e., he is neither a "Palestinian" nor a refugee). Moreover, his predecessor and the first P.L.O. chairman, Ahmed Shukeiry, was a Saudi Arabian national.

In truth, the post-1967 descriptor “Palestinian” -- like the descriptors “Texan” and “Californian” -- is merely geographical rather than ethnic. This assertion is ironically supported by the very language of the P.L.O. National Covenant of 1964, which rarely refers to its constituency as “the Palestinians” or as “the Palestinian people” (precisely because the descriptor “Palestinian” was the detested label by which the resident Jewish population had identified itself during the Mandatory period), but instead almost always refers to its constituency as “the Palestine Arab people” (e.g., Article 3) or “the people of Palestine” (e.g., Articles 4, 13, 19 & 22) or “the Palestine people” (e.g., Articles 17, 21 & 25), thereby describing the latter’s connection to “Palestine” almost exclusively in geographical rather than ethnic terminology. The only consistent ethnic label used by the National Covenant to describe its constituency is the descriptor “Arab” (e.g., Articles 1, 3, 11, 12, 13, 14 & 25). Due to the fact that the "Palestinians" are no more a distinct ethnic people than are “Texans” or “Californians”, they do not have a legal right, historical right or moral right to establish a sovereign state within any portion of the Land of Israel in order to express a distinct ethnic identity that does not -- and has never -- existed.

The bogus claim of “Palestinian” ethnicity is merely an elaborate (and -- thus far -- diplomatically successful) ruse to disguise the true pan-Arab and pan-Islamic goal, which is to dismember and then eradicate the Jewish nation-state of Israel.

Occasionally, even “Palestinian” leaders themselves publicly admit as much. As candidly stated by Zahir Muhsein, then head of the Palestine Liberation Organization's Military Department and a member of its Executive Committee:



“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, Today, there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak, Today, about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan -- which is a sovereign state with defined borders -- cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While, as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beersheba and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” (Excerpt from interview given to Amsterdam-based newspaper “Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw”, March 31, 1977).

http://www.rosenblit.com/Palestine.htm

Welcome to Mingle, have a nice day.

They have done a lot of dum things. But we can't accept any peaceful ones either so what is left? This means a lot to them and we should support it. Right now this punishment action by Israel is a sore loser bully action and it's an ambaressment.

do you think they will participate one way or the other is more like the question. I doubt they'd validate the scenario u propose with a response at all - it's ad hoc anyway....they already know their interests would not be protected by the UN

with the UN, the latter equality is the only one that matters.

the honest truth in the light of day is that Israel has made a nation - where the Palestinians are still the descendants of the PLO a terrorist organization that has contributed little but strife to society (all with a million "excuses" that in the light of day are not important)

that's naieve. We should never support the PLO or it's descendants - we'd be breaking our own policy of non negotiation with terrorists to do so. But yes, we should continue to encourage peaceable solutions

were I Isreal , I would do exactly what she is doing and I would not have waited this long to do so....

BTW - arabic guys are still rally cute tho

Palestine must be very important if Israel so desperately needs a Palestinian recognition of the State of Israel as the "Jewish People's State."

One has to wonder why Israel needs that recognition from people that "don't exist."

It is like a demi-god or King who is demanding people get on their knees and worship him.

Israel is a State is this not a fact?

Then WTF is Netanyahu's problem? Why does he so desperately need Palestine to agree and officially recognize that?

Israel's hand is always extended in peace (?)--as long as Palestine lets Israel tell them how to think and feel, and as long as Palestine bows to them as their master and agrees with them that they had a right to invade and conquer the land of Israel and call it their own.

Israel wants more than the land, they want everyone to agree that they are right. They want other people with different religions to bow to them and their God whom they claim gave them rights to the land of Israel.

They want to be "recognized" as having a right to invade all of the Holy land by permission of God.

This vote is important because it shows that the world at large is tired of Israel's demanding (and whining) attitude.

They want to be "recognized" as the Jewish people's state.

Its not enough that they are a state. They want everyone to agree that they are legitimate, and that they are THE JEWISH PEOPLE'S State. (That is so absurd and bigoted.)

LOL

They are demanding and whining.

They don't want Palestine to be a state. But they want to be one.
Sounds so childish.

Now they are mad because they aren't popular. They lost the vote of popularity. This is a bad sign for them and they know it.

And everyone can read a well documented history of Israel
and the region here!



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/mftoc.html