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Topic: US, Israel downplayed Palestinians' upgraded status @ UN
Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/05/12 12:29 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 12/05/12 12:30 PM


...the Land earmarked for new Apartments is nowhere near any land for the Palestinian State!


FALSE; it is on occupied Palestinian territory.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162880#.UL-QP--z7vg

It could be legally made into Israeli territory IF Palestine sold it to Israel, but indications are that such a sale is unlikely to happen.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162856
your wishing so doesn't make it true!
Since that stupid proclamation by the UNGA all bets are off!
Oslo is Null and Void!

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 12/05/12 12:58 PM



...the Land earmarked for new Apartments is nowhere near any land for the Palestinian State!


FALSE; it is on occupied Palestinian territory.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162880#.UL-QP--z7vg

It could be legally made into Israeli territory IF Palestine sold it to Israel, but indications are that such a sale is unlikely to happen.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162856
your wishing so doesn't make it true!
Since that stupid proclamation by the UNGA all bets are off!
Oslo is Null and Void!


Wishing for what? Whether or not Oslo is null & void the simple fact is that Israel is occupying Palestinian land, which they CANNOT annex under international law. Those apartments they want to build would be on Palestinian territory and would therefore be yet more illegal Israeli setllements on Palestinian land unless Palestine sells it to them. Do you really think Palestine is gonna do that? If they don't, do you think Israel will continue to thumb its nose at the rest of the world and build anyway as they have in the past?

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 12/05/12 01:17 PM

Apparently, that was enough to touch off questions about me being a "holocaust denier."


To clarify this, it was the way you employed classic denier rhetoric.


Not knowing what "classic denier rhetoric" is, I kinda resent the implication that I was "employing" it, because it suggests that I'm a "holocaust denier", which I certainly am NOT!!

Moreover, your innuendo suggests that YOU are employing well known propagandist techniques in a deliberate effort to try to tar my feathers.

To keep this post on TOPIC, I guess I should post something relevant to it eh?:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4316114,00.html

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/05/12 01:34 PM




...the Land earmarked for new Apartments is nowhere near any land for the Palestinian State!


FALSE; it is on occupied Palestinian territory.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162880#.UL-QP--z7vg

It could be legally made into Israeli territory IF Palestine sold it to Israel, but indications are that such a sale is unlikely to happen.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162856
your wishing so doesn't make it true!
Since that stupid proclamation by the UNGA all bets are off!
Oslo is Null and Void!


Wishing for what? Whether or not Oslo is null & void the simple fact is that Israel is occupying Palestinian land, which they CANNOT annex under international law. Those apartments they want to build would be on Palestinian territory and would therefore be yet more illegal Israeli setllements on Palestinian land unless Palestine sells it to them. Do you really think Palestine is gonna do that? If they don't, do you think Israel will continue to thumb its nose at the rest of the world and build anyway as they have in the past?
Abbas just repudiated it with his Insanity!:laughing:
Durn Fool!

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/05/12 01:41 PM




...the Land earmarked for new Apartments is nowhere near any land for the Palestinian State!


FALSE; it is on occupied Palestinian territory.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162880#.UL-QP--z7vg

It could be legally made into Israeli territory IF Palestine sold it to Israel, but indications are that such a sale is unlikely to happen.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162856
your wishing so doesn't make it true!
Since that stupid proclamation by the UNGA all bets are off!
Oslo is Null and Void!


Wishing for what? Whether or not Oslo is null & void the simple fact is that Israel is occupying Palestinian land, which they CANNOT annex under international law. Those apartments they want to build would be on Palestinian territory and would therefore be yet more illegal Israeli setllements on Palestinian land unless Palestine sells it to them. Do you really think Palestine is gonna do that? If they don't, do you think Israel will continue to thumb its nose at the rest of the world and build anyway as they have in the past?
Land was never "Palestinian Land!
Went from Mandate directly into annexation by Jordan,and the became Disputed Territories under 242!
Fate of them to be solved bilaterally!
PA though never implemented any of their responsibilities under 242,and now they repudiated all of the Oslo-Accord by unilaterally declaring a State!slaphead
But then,the "Palestinian"-Leaders were always adept in snatching Defeat out of the Jaws of Victory!slaphead

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 12/05/12 01:53 PM





...the Land earmarked for new Apartments is nowhere near any land for the Palestinian State!


FALSE; it is on occupied Palestinian territory.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162880#.UL-QP--z7vg

It could be legally made into Israeli territory IF Palestine sold it to Israel, but indications are that such a sale is unlikely to happen.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162856
your wishing so doesn't make it true!
Since that stupid proclamation by the UNGA all bets are off!
Oslo is Null and Void!


Wishing for what? Whether or not Oslo is null & void the simple fact is that Israel is occupying Palestinian land, which they CANNOT annex under international law. Those apartments they want to build would be on Palestinian territory and would therefore be yet more illegal Israeli setllements on Palestinian land unless Palestine sells it to them. Do you really think Palestine is gonna do that? If they don't, do you think Israel will continue to thumb its nose at the rest of the world and build anyway as they have in the past?
Abbas just repudiated it with his Insanity!:laughing:
Durn Fool!


IMO the Oslo accords were a waste of time anyway, as not much ever really came of them. As a courtesy to the casual readers of this thread, here's a little background info on the accords.:

http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/oslo-accords-pal-isr-prime.html

http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/middleeast/a/What-Were-The-Oslo-Accords.htm

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Wed 12/05/12 01:56 PM


Apparently, that was enough to touch off questions about me being a "holocaust denier."


To clarify this, it was the way you employed classic denier rhetoric.


Not knowing what "classic denier rhetoric" is, I kinda resent the implication that I was "employing" it, because it suggests that I'm a "holocaust denier", which I certainly am NOT!!

Moreover, your innuendo suggests that YOU are employing well known propagandist techniques in a deliberate effort to try to tar my feathers.

To keep this post on TOPIC, I guess I should post something relevant to it eh?:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4316114,00.html


Here is some of the article you quote above. It reiterates the
position that Israel has maintained for a long time - that they
are not opposed to a Palestinian state but they do insist that
this state recognize the Jewish state of Israel and commit to being
a truly peaceful neighbor - things that the recent UN resolution did
not do.

=-=-=-=

"Thank you for your country's opposition to the one-sided resolution at the United Nations; thank you for your friendship; thank you for your courage.



"I know that in voting against the one-sided resolution, the Czech Republic stood with the United States and Canada and a handful of other countries against the prevailing international current. But history has shown us time and again that what is right is not what is popular, and if there is a people in the world who can appreciate that, it's the people of your country," Netanyahu said.



"I know that your country has learned the lessons of history. So has my country, Israel. That is why Israel will not sacrifice its vital interests for the sake of obtaining the world's applause. Israel is committed to a genuine peace with our Palestinian neighbors – a genuine and durable peace. For peace to endure, it must be a peace that we can defend.



"No other peace can survive in the Middle East. We remain committed, as you said, to a negotiated settlement between us and our Palestinian neighbors. That solution is a two-state solution for two peoples, a peace in which a demilitarized Palestinian state recognizes the one and only Jewish State of Israel.



"Unfortunately, on Thursday, the Palestinians asked the world to give them a state without providing Israel with peace and security in return."



According to Netanyahu,the UN resolution "Completely ignored Israel's security needs. It didn't require the Palestinians to recognize the Jewish state. It didn't even call on it to end the conflict with Israel. And this is why it was unacceptable to Israel, and that is why, too, it has been unacceptable to all responsible members of the international community.



"Our conflict with the Palestinians will be resolved only through direct negotiations that address the needs of both Israelis and Palestinians. It will not be resolved through one-sided resolutions of the UN that ignore Israel's vital needs and undermine the basic foundation for peace.



"Mr. Prime Minister, I'm proud to be here in Prague… Thank you for standing up for the truth; thank you for standing up for decency; and thank you for standing up for peace. Thank you."

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Wed 12/05/12 01:58 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 12/05/12 01:58 PM


Apparently, that was enough to touch off questions about me being a "holocaust denier."


To clarify this, it was the way you employed classic denier rhetoric.


Not knowing what "classic denier rhetoric" is, I kinda resent the implication that I was "employing" it, because it suggests that I'm a "holocaust denier", which I certainly am NOT!!


Good. The 'dogma' stance is that employed by revisionists such as the authors I mentioned earlier, hence my observation.

Moreover, your innuendo suggests that YOU are employing well known propagandist techniques in a deliberate effort to try to tar my feathers.


Lame laugh I'm not the one who stated that I wouldn't say anything about an issue and then went on to make a judgement utilising a well known revisionist argument.






JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 12/05/12 04:55 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Wed 12/05/12 05:00 PM

Land was never "Palestinian Land!
Went from Mandate directly into annexation by Jordan,and the became Disputed Territories under 242!
Fate of them to be solved bilaterally!


"Disputed territories" is Israel's view; it is not the generally recognized view.

"It is now generally accepted, that the boundaries of the future Palestinian state should be based on the pre-1967 borders, which correspond with the Green Line. In the UN, nearly all countries voted in favour of Resolution 58/292 of 17 May 2004. The Resolution affirmed, in connection with the Palestinian right to self-determination and to sovereignty, that the independent State of Palestine should be based on the pre-1967 borders."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories


Here is resolution 242:

http://www.mideastweb.org/242.htm

If you look closely, the word "disputed" doesn't even appear in the resolution. it was Israel that referred to them as "disputed territories", not Palestine.

Arafat may (or may not?) have agreed to call all or part of them disputed territories to be agreed on bilaterally, before signing the Oslo Accords, but as we all agree, those accords are "toast."


PA though never implemented any of their responsibilities under 242,and now they repudiated all of the Oslo-Accord by unilaterally declaring a State!


Reading 242, it doesn't look like Israel implemented their responsibilities, since

1) inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war -- not honored by Israel, who illegally annexed territory taken in battle in 1967 and illegally annexed East Jerusalem in 1980

"The borders of the Palestinian territories are currently considered to be delineated by the 1949 Armistice Agreements."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

1) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent (1967) conflict -- not implemented

2) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area; -- not implemented, (Mavi Marmara, fishing boat attacks & harrassment)

3) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones; -- not implemented in 1988 when Palestine unilaterally declared Statehood five years before the Oslo accords.


Lame I'm not the one who stated that I wouldn't say anything about an issue and then went on to make a judgement utilising a well known revisionist argument.


Your biased assessment and baiting comment is duly noted. I think I'll take the high road here, not take the bait, and leave it to the reader to decide for him/herself what was and wasn't lame.

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Thu 12/06/12 04:12 AM
Your biased assessment and baiting comment is duly noted.


Biased? I never suggested that the historiography of the Final Solution was 'dogma'. I have no intention of baiting and if you used the term coincidentally, so be it.


I think I'll take the high road here, not take the bait, and leave it to the reader to decide for him/herself what was and wasn't lame.


Baiting? Unlike the following?

Moreover, your innuendo suggests that YOU are employing well known propagandist techniques in a deliberate effort to try to tar my feathers.


Unlike the well known propaganda technique of portraying the historiography of the Final Solution as 'dogma'?

Again, if you employed the term coincidentally, so be it, I apologise. To compare this historiography to dogma is a highly biased point of view and carries with it much insult to those in the historical community. Only pseudo-historians (e.g. those I mentioned previously) usually make this accusation (it's one of Irving's favourites despite his so-called historiography being emotionally charged and lacking evidence or citation).

If you are unaware of this controversy among the community of historians, again, I apologise. I couldn't help but wonder if your comment was a veiled attack on the Zundel trials.

For examples of Denier rhetoric, feel free to read the following. It is rather long, but I think you'll get the idea quickly.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=233904

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/06/12 06:42 AM


Land was never "Palestinian Land!
Went from Mandate directly into annexation by Jordan,and the became Disputed Territories under 242!
Fate of them to be solved bilaterally!


"Disputed territories" is Israel's view; it is not the generally recognized view.

"It is now generally accepted, that the boundaries of the future Palestinian state should be based on the pre-1967 borders, which correspond with the Green Line. In the UN, nearly all countries voted in favour of Resolution 58/292 of 17 May 2004. The Resolution affirmed, in connection with the Palestinian right to self-determination and to sovereignty, that the independent State of Palestine should be based on the pre-1967 borders."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories


Here is resolution 242:

http://www.mideastweb.org/242.htm

If you look closely, the word "disputed" doesn't even appear in the resolution. it was Israel that referred to them as "disputed territories", not Palestine.

Arafat may (or may not?) have agreed to call all or part of them disputed territories to be agreed on bilaterally, before signing the Oslo Accords, but as we all agree, those accords are "toast."


PA though never implemented any of their responsibilities under 242,and now they repudiated all of the Oslo-Accord by unilaterally declaring a State!


Reading 242, it doesn't look like Israel implemented their responsibilities, since

1) inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war -- not honored by Israel, who illegally annexed territory taken in battle in 1967 and illegally annexed East Jerusalem in 1980

"The borders of the Palestinian territories are currently considered to be delineated by the 1949 Armistice Agreements."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_territories

1) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent (1967) conflict -- not implemented

2) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area; -- not implemented, (Mavi Marmara, fishing boat attacks & harrassment)

3) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones; -- not implemented in 1988 when Palestine unilaterally declared Statehood five years before the Oslo accords.


Lame I'm not the one who stated that I wouldn't say anything about an issue and then went on to make a judgement utilising a well known revisionist argument.


Your biased assessment and baiting comment is duly noted. I think I'll take the high road here, not take the bait, and leave it to the reader to decide for him/herself what was and wasn't lame.
socalled '67 Borders never existed!
They are simply the '49 Ceasefire-Line!
Borders were to be determined by Negotiation!
Well,Jordan took the Short road and annexed it all,then in the Nineties generously gave away what never belonged to them,or anyone!
Same as Egypt did with GAZA!

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/06/12 06:51 AM
QUESTION!

How exactly is Israel stealing land? They gave up the entire Egyptian Sinai to Egypt for peace, that they won in a defensive war.

They gave up every inch of Gaza in the hopes for peace, and got Hamas and rockets instead of peace.

The Germans started and lost WW 2. Russia and Poland have 'occupied' their land since 1945.
Israel was attacked at its birth 3 years later in 1948, and many times since. Why are they occupying, when Russia and Poland are not? Let's be consistent. Had the Arabs not attacked, they would not be whining now. Why is there a different standard always for Israel and its little sliver of land (less than NJ) that they have developed and made bloom.

Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/06/12 06:55 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 12/06/12 06:57 AM






...the Land earmarked for new Apartments is nowhere near any land for the Palestinian State!


FALSE; it is on occupied Palestinian territory.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162880#.UL-QP--z7vg

It could be legally made into Israeli territory IF Palestine sold it to Israel, but indications are that such a sale is unlikely to happen.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162856
your wishing so doesn't make it true!
Since that stupid proclamation by the UNGA all bets are off!
Oslo is Null and Void!


Wishing for what? Whether or not Oslo is null & void the simple fact is that Israel is occupying Palestinian land, which they CANNOT annex under international law. Those apartments they want to build would be on Palestinian territory and would therefore be yet more illegal Israeli setllements on Palestinian land unless Palestine sells it to them. Do you really think Palestine is gonna do that? If they don't, do you think Israel will continue to thumb its nose at the rest of the world and build anyway as they have in the past?
Abbas just repudiated it with his Insanity!:laughing:
Durn Fool!


IMO the Oslo accords were a waste of time anyway, as not much ever really came of them. As a courtesy to the casual readers of this thread, here's a little background info on the accords.:

http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/oslo-accords-pal-isr-prime.html

http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/middleeast/a/What-Were-The-Oslo-Accords.htm


The Palestinian Authority makes no attempt to educate its people towards peace and coexistence with Israel. On the contrary, from every possible platform it repeatedly rejects Israel's right to exist, presents the conflict as a religious battle for Islam, depicts the establishment of Israel as an act of imperialism, and perpetuates a picture of the Middle East, both verbally and visually, in which Israel does not exist at all. Israel's destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation.

This official PA map of "Palestine” was broadcast on PA TV in September 2011. The map includes both the PA areas and all of Israel (excluding the Golan Heights) wrapped in the Palestinian flag - a symbol of Palestinian sovereignty over the whole area - and has a key through it, symbolizing ownership. Similar maps presenting all of Israel as "Palestine" appear in Palestinian schoolbooks and are shown regularly on PA TV.

Future: A world without Israel

The PA promises its people that in the future, the State of Israel will be completely erased and replaced by a State of Palestine. A Fatah member of Palestinian parliament, Najat Abu Bakr, told PA TV that the PA supports and adopts the “stages plan.” To the world, the PA claims that the Palestinians seek the West Bank and Gaza Strip, when in fact the goal is all of Israel: “It doesn’t mean that we don’t want the 1948 borders, but in our current political program we say we want a state on the 1967 borders.” [PA TV (Fatah), Aug. 25, 2008]

Fatah Central Committee member Abbas Zaki reiterated this position on Al-Jazeera TV:

“It is impossible to realize the inspiring idea or the great goal in one stroke… Israel will come to an end… If I say that I want to remove it from existence, this will be great, great, [but] it is hard. This is not a [stated] policy. You can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself.” [Al-Jazeera TV, Sept. 23, 2011]


http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=449
So much for your Arguments!


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Thu 12/06/12 07:14 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 12/06/12 07:16 AM

QUESTION!

How exactly is Israel stealing land? They gave up the entire Egyptian Sinai to Egypt for peace, that they won in a defensive war.

They gave up every inch of Gaza in the hopes for peace, and got Hamas and rockets instead of peace.

The Germans started and lost WW 2. Russia and Poland have 'occupied' their land since 1945.
Israel was attacked at its birth 3 years later in 1948, and many times since. Why are they occupying, when Russia and Poland are not? Let's be consistent. Had the Arabs not attacked, they would not be whining now. Why is there a different standard always for Israel and its little sliver of land (less than NJ) that they have developed and made bloom.

Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..



Gave up? How was it theirs to begin with?

Its not that they want "Land" but that they want to be in charge and in control of all of the holy land because of religious ideas.

They actually want people to believe that they have been given the land by God. That's ridiculous.




Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/06/12 07:19 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 12/06/12 07:24 AM


QUESTION!

How exactly is Israel stealing land? They gave up the entire Egyptian Sinai to Egypt for peace, that they won in a defensive war.

They gave up every inch of Gaza in the hopes for peace, and got Hamas and rockets instead of peace.

The Germans started and lost WW 2. Russia and Poland have 'occupied' their land since 1945.
Israel was attacked at its birth 3 years later in 1948, and many times since. Why are they occupying, when Russia and Poland are not? Let's be consistent. Had the Arabs not attacked, they would not be whining now. Why is there a different standard always for Israel and its little sliver of land (less than NJ) that they have developed and made bloom.

Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..



Gave up? How was it theirs to begin with?

Its not that they want "Land" but that they want to be in charge and in control of all of the holy land because of religious ideas.

They actually want people to believe that they have been given the land by God. That's ridiculous.




Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..

actually it was the League Of Nations,then the Brits,then the United Nations!
Before that it belonged to the Ottomans who lost it in WWI,and was called Southern Syria!laugh

Never belonged to any Palestinians!

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/06/12 07:22 AM
You all pick up your AK and march on Jaffa,Haifa or Tel Aviv!laugh

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Thu 12/06/12 07:23 AM



QUESTION!

How exactly is Israel stealing land? They gave up the entire Egyptian Sinai to Egypt for peace, that they won in a defensive war.

They gave up every inch of Gaza in the hopes for peace, and got Hamas and rockets instead of peace.

The Germans started and lost WW 2. Russia and Poland have 'occupied' their land since 1945.
Israel was attacked at its birth 3 years later in 1948, and many times since. Why are they occupying, when Russia and Poland are not? Let's be consistent. Had the Arabs not attacked, they would not be whining now. Why is there a different standard always for Israel and its little sliver of land (less than NJ) that they have developed and made bloom.

Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..



Gave up? How was it theirs to begin with?

Its not that they want "Land" but that they want to be in charge and in control of all of the holy land because of religious ideas.

They actually want people to believe that they have been given the land by God. That's ridiculous.




Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..

actually it was the League Of Nations,then the Brits,then the United Nations!


What was the cause of all of these refugees?

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Thu 12/06/12 07:29 AM
Updated news below regarding Hamas run Gaza prison camp conditions:

By Reuters
Tags: Israel news Gaza Hamas Haaretz Aug 4 2010

New leisure projects and restaurants have been springing up in the Gaza Strip, some partially funded by Hamas Islamists ruling a territory long seen as a symbol of Palestinian hardship.

The construction boom in recreational facilities has prompted some Palestinians in the enclave to complain that Hamas should have channelled such investment into rebuilding homes and infrastructure destroyed in conflict with Israel.

Some 800 visitors a day flock to Al-Bustan, a resort built by a Hamas-linked charity, to enjoy its swimming pools, restaurants and cafes.

In keeping with strict Muslim tradition, women are veiled and non-Islamic songs are not on the playlist of music blaring from loudspeakers.

"The atmosphere is Islamic. It's a place where you feel relaxed," said Umm Gaafar, wearing head-to-toe black garb and a veil.

It's a different scene at Crazy Water Park.

Secular music echoes across its three swimming pools and men and women smoke water pipes around tables placed under umbrellas made of palm branches.
With Gaza unemployment estimated by the United Nations at more than 40 percent, and by local economists at 60 percent, most of the crowd at Crazy Water are relatively well-paid professionals and employees of foreign aid organizations.

Zoo

Bissan City, a former garbage dump on land owned by the Hamas-run Interior Ministry, has been turned into a 46-acre (19 hectare) zoo, a large entertainment park for children and gardens.

Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nono said it supported private investment in the territory and had a role in renovating Bissan City.

But he declined to confirm any official ties to other new leisure facilities built by local entrepreneurs in the enclave of 1.5 million people.

Hamas has not disclosed the scope of its investment in numerous projects in the Gaza Strip and the government in the territory has not released a budget. Hamas receives money from some Islamic and Arab allies, especially Qatar and Iran.

But Mohammed Othman, enjoying a day out at Crazy Water, said the money used to construct the facility - which its owners said cost $2 million to build - was needed elsewhere.

"If the money put into Crazy Water had been used to construct 10 buildings, 100 families could have been housed by now," Othman said, referring to some of the damage caused by the December 2008-January 2009 war between Israel and Hamas.
Nono said the government had helped to repair minor damage in hundreds of homes but more extensive reconstruction required donor countries to release billions of dollars of aid frozen after Hamas took over the Gaza Strip in 2007.

Despite the general embargo, loosened after an international outcry over Israel's deadly May 31 raid on a Gaza aid flotilla, smuggling tunnels under the border with Egypt have kept the territory supplied with a wide variety of goods.

The underground network also has enriched tunnel operators and importers.

At a recently inaugurated Gaza shopping mall, the enclave's first such project, stores are filled with clothing, shoes and other consumer goods. Supermarket shelves in the mall are packed with Egyptian and Israeli merchandise.

and when they get tired of it,they'll fire some Rockets into Israel,and have the IAF rearrange it for them!
What tools.

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Thu 12/06/12 07:32 AM




QUESTION!

How exactly is Israel stealing land? They gave up the entire Egyptian Sinai to Egypt for peace, that they won in a defensive war.

They gave up every inch of Gaza in the hopes for peace, and got Hamas and rockets instead of peace.

The Germans started and lost WW 2. Russia and Poland have 'occupied' their land since 1945.
Israel was attacked at its birth 3 years later in 1948, and many times since. Why are they occupying, when Russia and Poland are not? Let's be consistent. Had the Arabs not attacked, they would not be whining now. Why is there a different standard always for Israel and its little sliver of land (less than NJ) that they have developed and made bloom.

Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..



Gave up? How was it theirs to begin with?

Its not that they want "Land" but that they want to be in charge and in control of all of the holy land because of religious ideas.

They actually want people to believe that they have been given the land by God. That's ridiculous.




Israel accepted 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands after 1948. Why haven't the Arabs with all their oil wealth and land, not absorbed the Palis? 98% of the so-called Palis are under their own rule..

actually it was the League Of Nations,then the Brits,then the United Nations!


What was the cause of all of these refugees?
Five Arab-Armies telling them to get the Hell out the way,and come back in a few days when the Jews were pushed into the Mediterranean!
Unless you think that Israel with a few men and an antiquated Arsenal was able to push out a Million People!laugh :laughing:

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Thu 12/06/12 07:34 AM
Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi told the Peel Commission in 1937: "There is no such country as 'Palestine'; 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!"
In 1946, Arab historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that "there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”
In 1947, Arab leaders protesting the UN partition plan argued that Palestine was part of Syria and “politically, the Arabs of Palestine (were) not (an) independent separate … political entity.”
An executive committee member of the PLO Zahir Muhsein confirmed that there is no such thing as a separate “palestinian” people of Arab descent. In an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw in March 31, 1977, he stated the following:
"The palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. “

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