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Hatred is ignorance.
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The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.
If Doesn't matter what genome surveys show. Oh No of course not.  That is why DNA is generally
inadmissible as evidence. No one would pay any attention to genetic information!
It has nothing to do with the issue of Israel's right to exist, or the Ashkenazi's aggressive war and racial prejudice against the dark skinned Semitic people in the Middle east. The six pointed star, so thought of as being a "Jewish" symbol is the Askenazi Rothschild's family crest. The Ashkenazi's not only converted to Judaism, they married into their enemies families. That is the only the reasons 50% of the Ashkenazi genes tested can be traced back to the holy land. The Jewish people were invented. Abraham is a fictional character, King David is a fictional character, there are no "chosen people." So there goes that excuse based on myth and fabrication. I find it quite odd the magnitude of American non-Muslims who do the bidding of radical muslims. And even more odd that there are virtually no Muslims and absolutely no radical muslims who put heart and soul in the cause of America's national existence. Your country, America, is on the brink of collapse... while you root for the gain of those who hate you and long for your death 
It would seem that you bidders are puppets. (And I won't say "brain-washed") Just sayin... 
I certainly hope you are not referring to me. I certainly agree with you that America is on the brink of collapse, and I know why. (And it is not because of Muslims.) It is the Rothschild and J.P. Morgan Banksters and money lenders and their usury and fraud that has taken America (and the world) to the brink of financial collapse. They will continue. They steal the real wealth through wars and lending fraud and manipulating the stock markets and trade. Oh I know what they are planning. They create worthless paper money and contracts that in the end are worth only the paper they are written on. If you don't have gold or silver and a supply of food and water, your money may not be good enough. I don't understand any of the radical religions and don't much care for them to include Christianity who bows down to and supports the fabrication that there is such a thing as "God's chosen People." I think all of that is ignorance. I can see that I am being nudged into "hating" a people I know nothing about. I will not be told whom to hate by anyone. I see who is being persecuted and it is racial and has to do with bloodlines and skin color and NOT RELIGION. Religion is a scam. I stand against all tyranny on either side. The money lenders and war mongers and their ignorant religions are on the way out. Like I said... 
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The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.
If Doesn't matter what genome surveys show. Oh No of course not. That is why DNA is generally
inadmissible as evidence. No one would pay any attention to genetic information!
It has nothing to do with the issue of Israel's right to exist, or the Ashkenazi's aggressive war and racial prejudice against the dark skinned Semitic people in the Middle east. The six pointed star, so thought of as being a "Jewish" symbol is the Askenazi Rothschild's family crest. The Ashkenazi's not only converted to Judaism, they married into their enemies families. That is the only the reasons 50% of the Ashkenazi genes tested can be traced back to the holy land. The Jewish people were invented. Abraham is a fictional character, King David is a fictional character, there are no "chosen people." So there goes that excuse based on myth and fabrication. I find it quite odd the magnitude of American non-Muslims who do the bidding of radical muslims. And even more odd that there are virtually no Muslims and absolutely no radical muslims who put heart and soul in the cause of America's national existence. Your country, America, is on the brink of collapse... while you root for the gain of those who hate you and long for your death
It would seem that you bidders are puppets. (And I won't say "brain-washed") Just sayin...
I certainly hope you are not referring to me. I certainly agree with you that America is on the brink of collapse, and I know why. (And it is not because of Muslims.) It is the Rothschild and J.P. Morgan Banksters and money lenders and their usury and fraud that has taken America (and the world) to the brink of financial collapse. They will continue. They steal the real wealth through wars and lending fraud and manipulating the stock markets and trade. Oh I know what they are planning. They create worthless paper money and contracts that in the end are worth only the paper they are written on. If you don't have gold or silver and a supply of food and water, your money may not be good enough. I don't understand any of the radical religions and don't much care for them to include Christianity who bows down to and supports the fabrication that there is such a thing as "God's chosen People." I think all of that is ignorance. I can see that I am being nudged into "hating" a people I know nothing about. I will not be told whom to hate by anyone. I see who is being persecuted and it is racial and has to do with bloodlines and skin color and NOT RELIGION. Religion is a scam. I stand against all tyranny on either side. The money lenders and war mongers and their ignorant religions are on the way out. Like I said...
Like you said? Please elaborate you make NO SENSE at all. |
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Hatred, fear, prejudice..... ignorance.
People of the world, grow up..... or else. |
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Hatred is ignorance. I agree. But I don't see hatred being the driving force in the Nation of Israel... It's survival, a struggle to exist as a people. Albeit a people with a legal mandate given by man AND from their God. The land is their birthright. Israel has suffered horrific persecution from anti-semitism for ages. This was prophecied in their own scriptures because of the breach in their relationship with God. It's documented. The Lord warned them... They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. Deu_32:16, If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. Jos_24:20, He told them that they would be scattered and hated by the nations. But after a while, against all odds He would resettled them, a remnant in their former homeland for His Namesake. That they would began to flock to their homeland from out of all places they were scattered and persecuted. Unbelief does not hinder the promise of Almighty God. The Lord is the keeper of Israel. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 12/10/12 02:50 AM
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So, are they still bashing the Jews?
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So, are they still bashing the Jews?
They forgot one little tiny Item,though! 
and if they don't like it,there is always this! 
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 12/10/12 08:00 AM
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You only make the false claims because you refuse to accept the
genetic DNA evidence of the close genetic relationship among all Jews which can be traced to common Mideastern ancestry! On the contrary, I accepted and read the report completely which you apparently have not even done. I had to find in search because you never did link to the full report. That report only found a genetic relationship in 50% of the Askenazi Jews to the Middle eastern people. That is only half of the Askenazi Jews they tested.
I've read them and that is not what they say. You probably misinterpret them to fit some preconceived antisemitic bias. 
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I find it quite odd the magnitude of American non-Muslims who do the bidding of radical muslims. And even more odd that there are virtually no Muslims and absolutely no radical muslims who put heart and soul in the cause of America's national existence. Your country, America, is on the brink of collapse... while you root for the gain of those who hate you and long for your death It would seem that you bidders are puppets. Since there seem to be so many, can you provide us with an example of an American who does the bidding of a radical muslim? Could you define a radical muslim (as opposed to an average muslim) for us? America isn't a country or nation; it's a continent (more specifically North or South), and a nation isn't always a country, so I'm compelled to ask specifically what you mean by "America"? On the assumption that you are referring to the corporation called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, it has been operating in Receivership since 1933 when it went bankrupt thanks to the FED. It hasn't been able to pull itself out of the "hole" and is now on the verge of final foreclosure by the creditors. What you are seeing in the news regarding the economy is the deserting crew looting the ship of state before abandoning the sinking ship. Anyone not living outside the USA in a couple of years time is in for a mess of pain. Better move to Equador or Panama with the rest of the upper middle class before "America" sinks. The same thing might happen to Canada, since (unfortunately) the two corporations are joined at the hip like Siamese twins. Many up here are making the same plans and getting out while the getting is good. The puppets are the federal governments. They are governed by the central banks which are governed by the BIS, so to call yourself a citizen of either country, you are a manipulated puppet and essentially saying you are the property of a bunch of crooked bankers who are playing you all for suckers. The problem with "America" isn't the muslims at all. The problem is the brainwashed people who can't see the true enemy. Here are the radical Muslims and also a true enemy of religious freedom and democracy. http://youtu.be/AediQLpoGGM |
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You only make the false claims because you refuse to accept the
genetic DNA evidence of the close genetic relationship among all Jews which can be traced to common Mideastern ancestry! On the contrary, I accepted and read the report completely which you apparently have not even done. I had to find in search because you never did link to the full report. That report only found a genetic relationship in 50% of the Askenazi Jews to the Middle eastern people. That is only half of the Askenazi Jews they tested.
I've read them and that is not what they say. You probably misinterpret them to fit some preconceived antisemitic bias.
you see what you want to see. I can see if I can find the report and I will copy and paste it when I do. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 12/10/12 09:32 AM
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Hatred is ignorance. I agree. But I don't see hatred being the driving force in the Nation of Israel... It's survival, a struggle to exist as a people. Well everyone struggles to exist on this planet. They are afraid. It is a dog eat dog world for everyone, not just Jews. (There are only two real human emotions. They are fear and love.) There has been global genocide of many different peoples on this planet and no one seems to want to address that -- or look at who is behind these acts. It is not just about some Jews who have been persecuted. The people who call themselves Jews (but don't practice Judaism) are full of fear and that always evolves into hatred and prejudice and violence. Albeit a people with a legal mandate given by man AND from their God. That is your belief but I don't agree. They have no legal or Godly mandate for their aggression and violent acts against others to claim Israel. The land is their birthright. Israel has suffered horrific persecution from anti-semitism for ages. Israel has not existed for "ages." Racial prejudice has, but it has to do with ignorance and bloodlines more than religions. This was prophecied in their own scriptures because of the breach in their relationship with God. It's documented. The Lord warned them... What exactly is a "relationship with God?" If it is not compassion and love for your fellow human beings then what is it? The aggression hatred and fear I have seen from the Zionist of Israel is indeed breaching that relationship. Fear and hatred will indeed bring a constant return of that same energy. Like attracts like. Violence begets violence. Live by the sword, die by the sword. That is called Karma. Some call it the wrath of God. I call it the law of the universe. They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. Deu_32:16, If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. Jos_24:20, So now you are trying to say that yours is a "jealous" God? Isn't Jealousy a form of Fear? How can a God be afraid or Jealous of anything? Those are weaknesses and human characteristics. Your God, if you believe that, must not be the true God, but an impostor. Is that how you view God? A jealous entity with human flaws? He told them that they would be scattered and hated by the nations. But after a while, against all odds He would resettled them, a remnant in their former homeland for His Namesake. That they would began to flock to their homeland from out of all places they were scattered and persecuted. Unbelief does not hinder the promise of Almighty God. The Lord is the keeper of Israel. The "resettling" of the Jews to their "homeland" has not happened and never will happen, least of all by the hand of God. Millions of Jews are NOT and never will "flock" to Israel. Some had to be bribed and payed to settle there, (by the rich Rothschild family dynasty corporations.) Some people are attempting to force the idea and appearance of this prophecy on the world and sell it to everyone, mostly Christians. (And some Christians are actually buying some kind of version of it.) The Arabs, Muslims, and indigenous Semitic people who live in the holy land don't buy this story for a second and that is where the problems lie. Aggression out of fear and ignorance creates hatred, violence and death. If the Jews of Israel believed in God they would have more faith and less fear, or they would fear God for their crimes, and not everyone else. But from what I see, most of the Ashkenazi Jews don't even believe in God. |
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The way people peddle hatred is through fear and violence.
First, they show you something violent and try to terrorize you. Then, they point the finger at the perpetrator of the violence. They show you the innocent victims to create the hatred. Hatred is always born of fear. Always. And there is nothing to fear but fear itself. If you truly believe in God and in life after death of this physical body, what are you afraid of? If you truly have faith in God then what are you afraid of? Stop telling people who to hate and what to fear. Recognize that real tyranny and terrorism must always start by creating fear. |
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yeah they are stupid and I think it's messed up they have the word stat in there name man at lest in america we have respect and love for our neighbors and nation well most of us do but yeah I am glad where I am at when I read crappy politics in other nations!!!! Glad to be in the USA just wish we had a beeter president!!!! Donald Trump should run for president he is a business man could use his knowledge to fix the nation's debt!!!! Who better than a successful buisness man that started from poor to rich!!! Whose with me on this????
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Recognize that real tyranny and terrorism must always start by creating fear. And that fear must always be created in order for cruel tyrants to control the people. As I recently said on another thread here: The human race will mature when love conquers fear and we learn to wage peace as fiercely as we have ever waged war. Unfortunately, it looks like most people are nowhere near mature. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 12/11/12 01:16 AM
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You only make the false claims because you refuse to accept the
genetic DNA evidence of the close genetic relationship among all Jews which can be traced to common Mideastern ancestry! On the contrary, I accepted and read the report completely which you apparently have not even done. I had to find in search because you never did link to the full report. That report only found a genetic relationship in 50% of the Askenazi Jews to the Middle eastern people. That is only half of the Askenazi Jews they tested.
I've read them and that is not what they say. You probably misinterpret them to fit some preconceived antisemitic bias.
you see what you want to see. I can see if I can find the report and I will copy and paste it when I do. actually,the Report states that all Jews have Genes connecting them to the ME,regardless of what you read into it!
Besides,it's not the only Study confirming that Fact! Posted it here with a Link several time! But you claimed it was a Hoax and a Zionist Conspiracy! 
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From: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/330188?page=5
E: Even Wiki says that their ethnicity are "Ashkenazi Jewish." They merely claim to be Jews. (They actually worship Satan, but I doubt if they will admit that.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family you really need to read up on some of the Genetic Research! laugh you are sorely behind times!laughing And here is a link to the American Journal of Human Genetics article. http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2810%2900246-6 And in case you cannot get that link to work - Here is the abstract: =-=-=-= Abstract For more than a century, Jews and non-Jews alike have tried to define the relatedness of contemporary Jewish people. Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations. However, these and successor studies of monoallelic Y chromosomal and mitochondrial genetic markers did not resolve the issues of within and between-group Jewish genetic identity. Here, genome-wide analysis of seven Jewish groups (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek, and Ashkenazi) and comparison with non-Jewish groups demonstrated distinctive Jewish population clusters, each with shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations, and variable degrees of European and North African admixture. Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. Rapid decay of IBD in Ashkenazi Jewish genomes was consistent with a severe bottleneck followed by large expansion, such as occurred with the so-called demographic miracle of population expansion from 50,000 people at the beginning of the 15th century to 5,000,000 people at the beginning of the 19th century. Thus, this study demonstrates that European/Syrian and Middle Eastern Jews represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters woven together by shared IBD genetic threads. =-=-=-= Yes, amazingly enough there is common ancestry for all groups from all over the world and it is traced back to the Middle East. Using the latest and best DNA techniques! You may not like it but it is a fact. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929710002466 Way behind,and so is your Friend!laughing |
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By Robert J. Avrech | October 10, 2012 Prominent Saudi Says Israel Is Not The Enemy The media in the Arab Muslim world is, for the most part, a swamp of victimhood, conspiracy theories, Jew-hatred, blood libels, delusional intellectuals, and fanatic Islamist genocidiers. But every once in a while a whiff of truth slips past the gate keepers. The following article by Abdulateef Al-Mulhim, a retired commodore in the Saudi Royal Navy, and published in the Arab News, Saudi Arabia, is a remarkable piece of truth-telling. Mr. Al-Mulhim shatters the basic myth of the Arab Muslim world: that Israel is the source of all Muslim troubles, the primal enemy who must be destroyed. In fact, so articulate is the core message of this article that it would never even be published in today’s NY Times, for it is a direct repudiation of every word ever written by Thomas Friedman. Alas, Seraphic Secret confesses that as soon as we read Mr. Al-Mulhim’s article, we understood that this honest and courageous man has painted a huge “Kill Me” sign on his back. http://www.seraphicpress.com/prominent-saudi-says-israel-is-not-the-enemy/ |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 12/11/12 08:30 AM
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There are too many different kinds of people who are related to or claim to be "Jews" to call them "a people" or "a nation" is absurd.
If the reason for all of the fuss is to try to find out who the so-called "chosen people" are who have the alleged right to steal Israel and call it a Jewish state, then you may as well forget that nonsense. If you want to believe the Bible, then everyone on the earth has roots in the Garden of Eden, which is believed to be somewhere in the middle east. That does not mean that anyone on earth can claim to have the right to return to their homeland and make war with the people there. This whole crap about "chosen people" and Bible myth is absurd anyway. But here is what this link says: About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html More: Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, Steven Bray's study of 2010, and others. Key findings: The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E. Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q1b1a (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European but the most common Ashkenazic variant comes from somewhere in Asia, probably Central Asia). Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern Europeans. Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite peoples. Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites. Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites. Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites. Libyan Jews are mainly Israelites who may have mixed somewhat with Berbers. Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no Israelite ancestry. Bene Israel Jews and Cochin Jews of India have much Indian ancestry in their mtDNA. Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite. |
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There are too many different kinds of people who are related to or claim to be "Jews" to call them "a people" or "a nation" is absurd. If the reason for all of the fuss is to try to find out who the so-called "chosen people" are who have the alleged right to steal Israel and call it a Jewish state, then you may as well forget that nonsense. If you want to believe the Bible, then everyone on the earth has roots in the Garden of Eden, which is believed to be somewhere in the middle east. That does not mean that anyone on earth can claim to have the right to return to their homeland and make war with the people there. This whole crap about "chosen people" and Bible myth is absurd anyway. But here is what this link says: About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html More: Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, Steven Bray's study of 2010, and others. Key findings: The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E. Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q1b1a (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European but the most common Ashkenazic variant comes from somewhere in Asia, probably Central Asia). Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern Europeans. Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite peoples. Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites. Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites. Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites. Libyan Jews are mainly Israelites who may have mixed somewhat with Berbers. Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no Israelite ancestry. Bene Israel Jews and Cochin Jews of India have much Indian ancestry in their mtDNA. Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite. The sources I cited are peer reviewed scientific journals. The website you cite above is an antisemitic hate propaganda website (khazaria). There is no point in making citations to hate speech like Der Sturmer and trying to act like it is bonafide literature!
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