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funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:19 AM
That is why we also are referred to as "gods", for we have dominion over the beasts of this world eg., we have authority over them. right...walk up to a hungry Grizzly Bear kick their bear cub and tell the bear you have authority over them swim up to a great qwhite shark and tell them you have authority over them you're only proving how you're delusional believing you have authority over animals toss you into the jungle situation and you probably wouldn't last a couple of hours before being eaten by something while screaming you have authority What are you talking about Funches? People go bear hunting, people go shark hunting, people even go wale hunting. Having authority over something does not mean specifically by brute force Funches. not sure those that cause Great Flood and kill first borns will agree with you

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:22 AM
"Baal" is not referring to the same person as "Jesus". Cowboy you stated that God is not limited to a single being....or was that a lie? if not then Baal wouldn't be the same person as Jesus..he would be another being that was God

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 07:23 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 12/15/12 07:27 AM
That is why we also are referred to as "gods", for we have dominion over the beasts of this world eg., we have authority over them. right...walk up to a hungry Grizzly Bear kick their bear cub and tell the bear you have authority over them swim up to a great qwhite shark and tell them you have authority over them you're only proving how you're delusional believing you have authority over animals toss you into the jungle situation and you probably wouldn't last a couple of hours before being eaten by something while screaming you have authority What are you talking about Funches? People go bear hunting, people go shark hunting, people even go wale hunting. Having authority over something does not mean specifically by brute force Funches. not sure those that cause Great Flood and kill first borns will agree with you Again, what are you talking about? Yes God caused the great flood. The egyptains had their first borns killed out of punishment Funches. Punishment for worshiping false Gods and many different says they had committed. This incodent is from the old testament, old covenant. People were judged on Earth in their life time for their sins they committed. Please explain.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 07:24 AM
"Baal" is not referring to the same person as "Jesus". Cowboy you stated that God is not limited to a single being....or was that a lie? if not then Baal wouldn't be the same person as Jesus..he would be another being that was God Again, WHAT in the world are you talking about Funches? Yes, people were worshiping Baal as God, but that does not make him God. Heck, people worship money these days like it were God.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:28 AM
That is why we also are referred to as "gods", for we have dominion over the beasts of this world eg., we have authority over them. right...walk up to a hungry Grizzly Bear kick their bear cub and tell the bear you have authority over them swim up to a great qwhite shark and tell them you have authority over them you're only proving how you're delusional believing you have authority over animals toss you into the jungle situation and you probably wouldn't last a couple of hours before being eaten by something while screaming you have authority What are you talking about Funches? People go bear hunting, people go shark hunting, people even go wale hunting. Having authority over something does not mean specifically by brute force Funches. not sure those that cause Great Flood and kill first borns will agree with you Again, what are you talking about? Yes God caused the great flood. so wouldn't drowning people constitute as authoritative brute force?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:30 AM
"Baal" is not referring to the same person as "Jesus". Cowboy you stated that God is not limited to a single being....or was that a lie? if not then Baal wouldn't be the same person as Jesus..he would be another being that was God Again, WHAT in the world are you talking about Funches? Yes, people were worshiping Baal as God, but that does not make him God. Heck, people worship money these days like it were God. again you keep trying to fight over a name....Baal was simply just one of the names of God

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 07:31 AM
That is why we also are referred to as "gods", for we have dominion over the beasts of this world eg., we have authority over them. right...walk up to a hungry Grizzly Bear kick their bear cub and tell the bear you have authority over them swim up to a great qwhite shark and tell them you have authority over them you're only proving how you're delusional believing you have authority over animals toss you into the jungle situation and you probably wouldn't last a couple of hours before being eaten by something while screaming you have authority What are you talking about Funches? People go bear hunting, people go shark hunting, people even go wale hunting. Having authority over something does not mean specifically by brute force Funches. not sure those that cause Great Flood and kill first borns will agree with you Again, what are you talking about? Yes God caused the great flood. so wouldn't drowning people constitute as authoritative brute force? Taking things out of context again and twisting things around. God flooded the world to cleanse it. Those people are now either dead or in Heaven depending on what judgement they received according the grace of our Lord. And no that's not "brute force". That's not forcing anyone to do anything, that is a judgement on the planet and it's verdict.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 07:32 AM
"Baal" is not referring to the same person as "Jesus". Cowboy you stated that God is not limited to a single being....or was that a lie? if not then Baal wouldn't be the same person as Jesus..he would be another being that was God Again, WHAT in the world are you talking about Funches? Yes, people were worshiping Baal as God, but that does not make him God. Heck, people worship money these days like it were God. again you keep trying to fight over a name....Baal was simply just one of the names of God How so? Give some information on this subject. I know of where it is said they worshiped Baal as God, but they were punished for it. So if Baal is God, how would he be punished for something he did?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:34 AM
That is why we also are referred to as "gods", for we have dominion over the beasts of this world eg., we have authority over them. right...walk up to a hungry Grizzly Bear kick their bear cub and tell the bear you have authority over them swim up to a great qwhite shark and tell them you have authority over them you're only proving how you're delusional believing you have authority over animals toss you into the jungle situation and you probably wouldn't last a couple of hours before being eaten by something while screaming you have authority What are you talking about Funches? People go bear hunting, people go shark hunting, people even go wale hunting. Having authority over something does not mean specifically by brute force Funches. not sure those that cause Great Flood and kill first borns will agree with you Again, what are you talking about? Yes God caused the great flood. so wouldn't drowning people constitute as authoritative brute force? Taking things out of context again and twisting things around. God flooded the world to cleanse it. Those people are now either dead or in Heaven depending on what judgement they received according the grace of our Lord. And no that's not "brute force". That's not forcing anyone to do anything, that is a judgement on the planet and it's verdict. Cowboy...God forced them to drown.. or do you believe they drown themselves or voluntarily

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:36 AM
How so? Give some information on this subject. I know of where it is said they worshiped Baal as God, but they were punished for it. So if Baal is God, how would he be punished for something he did? wasn't Christians punished for worshipping Jesus...so therefore according to your post... Jesus can't be God

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 07:40 AM
That is why we also are referred to as "gods", for we have dominion over the beasts of this world eg., we have authority over them. right...walk up to a hungry Grizzly Bear kick their bear cub and tell the bear you have authority over them swim up to a great qwhite shark and tell them you have authority over them you're only proving how you're delusional believing you have authority over animals toss you into the jungle situation and you probably wouldn't last a couple of hours before being eaten by something while screaming you have authority What are you talking about Funches? People go bear hunting, people go shark hunting, people even go wale hunting. Having authority over something does not mean specifically by brute force Funches. not sure those that cause Great Flood and kill first borns will agree with you Again, what are you talking about? Yes God caused the great flood. so wouldn't drowning people constitute as authoritative brute force? Taking things out of context again and twisting things around. God flooded the world to cleanse it. Those people are now either dead or in Heaven depending on what judgement they received according the grace of our Lord. And no that's not "brute force". That's not forcing anyone to do anything, that is a judgement on the planet and it's verdict. Cowboy...God forced them to drown.. or do you believe they drown themselves or voluntarily Again, out of context Funches. That is called a JUDGEMENT Funches. He was cleansing the world. And no that's not brute force, it's again a judgement.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 07:40 AM
How so? Give some information on this subject. I know of where it is said they worshiped Baal as God, but they were punished for it. So if Baal is God, how would he be punished for something he did? wasn't Christians punished for worshipping Jesus...so therefore according to your post... Jesus can't be God What are you talking about?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:43 AM
Again, out of context Funches. That is called a JUDGEMENT Funches. He was cleansing the world. And no that's not brute force, it's again a judgement. the judgement was carried out by brute force ..

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 07:44 AM
How so? Give some information on this subject. I know of where it is said they worshiped Baal as God, but they were punished for it. So if Baal is God, how would he be punished for something he did? wasn't Christians punished for worshipping Jesus...so therefore according to your post... Jesus can't be God What are you talking about? I figured that would pop you back into reality

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 11:04 AM
How so? Give some information on this subject. I know of where it is said they worshiped Baal as God, but they were punished for it. So if Baal is God, how would he be punished for something he did? wasn't Christians punished for worshipping Jesus...so therefore according to your post... Jesus can't be God What are you talking about? I figured that would pop you back into reality Pop me back into reality? Again, what are you talking about Funches? Yeah, people may be able to kill this body, this temporary shell, but NO one can kill my soul. No one but God if his righteous judgement judges that I do not deserve the gift of eternal life. That is the ONLY way to die Funches. The only reward for sin is death. And that is the only way to die. Again, this mortal shell of a body matters not, it is only temporary. It was born to die.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 11:07 AM
Again, out of context Funches. That is called a JUDGEMENT Funches. He was cleansing the world. And no that's not brute force, it's again a judgement. the judgement was carried out by brute force .. Brute force - 1 : of or relating to beasts <the ways of the brute world> 2 : inanimate 1a 3 : characteristic of an animal in quality, action, or instinct: as a : cruel, savage <brute violence> b : not working by reason <brute instinct> 4 : purely physical <brute strength> <brute force> 5 : unrelievedly harsh <brute facts> <brute necessity> --------------- None of those apply to what God did. There was reason behind what God did, it wasn't harsh, it was a righteous judgement, and it was obviously not physical, God didn't come down here and beat the holy crap out of people.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 12:14 PM Edited by funches on Sat 12/15/12 12:37 PM
Pop me back into reality? Again, what are you talking about Funches? Yeah, people may be able to kill this body, this temporary shell, but NO one can kill my soul. except Baal

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 12/15/12 12:34 PM
Again, out of context Funches. That is called a JUDGEMENT Funches. He was cleansing the world. And no that's not brute force, it's again a judgement. the judgement was carried out by brute force .. Brute force - 1 : of or relating to beasts <the ways of the brute world> 2 : inanimate 1a 3 : characteristic of an animal in quality, action, or instinct: as a : cruel, savage <brute violence> b : not working by reason <brute instinct> 4 : purely physical <brute strength> <brute force> 5 : unrelievedly harsh <brute facts> <brute necessity> --------------- None of those apply to what God did. everything you listed about Brute Force applies to anyone that intentionally cause a flood to mass murder a multitude of people There was reason behind what God did, can we say sociopathic behavior? it wasn't harsh, right...drowning a mass amount of people including babies is nice it was a righteous judgement, those little newborns deserved to drown and it was obviously not physical, so you believe that the flood was made up of non-physical spiritual ghost water God didn't come down here and beat the holy crap out of people. because the trees and the boulders washed into the flood beat the holy crap out of the people for him

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 01:14 PM
Again, out of context Funches. That is called a JUDGEMENT Funches. He was cleansing the world. And no that's not brute force, it's again a judgement. the judgement was carried out by brute force .. Brute force - 1 : of or relating to beasts <the ways of the brute world> 2 : inanimate 1a 3 : characteristic of an animal in quality, action, or instinct: as a : cruel, savage <brute violence> b : not working by reason <brute instinct> 4 : purely physical <brute strength> <brute force> 5 : unrelievedly harsh <brute facts> <brute necessity> --------------- None of those apply to what God did. everything you listed about Brute Force applies to anyone that intentionally cause a flood to mass murder a multitude of people There was reason behind what God did, can we say sociopathic behavior? it wasn't harsh, right...drowning a mass amount of people including babies is nice it was a righteous judgement, those little newborns deserved to drown and it was obviously not physical, so you believe that the flood was made up of non-physical spiritual ghost water God didn't come down here and beat the holy crap out of people. because the trees and the boulders washed into the flood beat the holy crap out of the people for him everything you listed about Brute Force applies to anyone that intentionally cause a flood to mass murder a multitude of people There was no murder. Murder - unlawful taking the life of another. God is law. And we know not who lost their life and who didn't. When you die/pass away on this Earth, that is not the end Funches lol. The person is not "dead", they are only "dead" in secular terms.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 12/15/12 01:14 PM
Pop me back into reality? Again, what are you talking about Funches? Yeah, people may be able to kill this body, this temporary shell, but NO one can kill my soul. except Baal Not even Baal lol.